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The man only had a knife guys, that is all he had. The only person he was a danger to was himself.

How do you know this? Based on a “witness” that “talked” to the media or one of the social forums.

In the video above the cops shout 3 times put the gun down, put the gun down, put it down? How do we know he didn’t fire at the police? How do we know if what the police are shouting is false?

Is there an official release from the police or the investigators looking into the incident?

Man imagine if we didn’t have this video and the shit people would make up against the police. Police need body cams, make this necessary. They also need better training, resources, tools and people. Defunding will just turn this into places like Chicago. How many tactical squads will you have to deal with this “Chicago records most violent weekend this year with more than 100 shootings, 14 deaths” After a tipping point police will get overwhelmed.

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[icespot]

How do you know this? Based on a “witness” that “talked” to the media or one of the social forums.

In the video above the cops shout 3 times put the gun down, put the gun down, put it down? How do we know he didn’t fire at the police? How do we know if what the police are shouting is false?

Is there an official release from the police or the investigators looking into the incident?

Man imagine if we didn’t have this video and the shit people would make up against the police. Police need body cams, make this necessary. They also need better training, resources, tools and people. Defunding will just turn this into places like Chicago. How many tactical squads will you have to deal with this “Chicago records most violent weekend this year with more than 100 shootings, 14 deaths” After a tipping point police will get overwhelmed.

It's pretty clear, all weapons from police and victim have been collected.

Investigators have collected a police-issued firearm, a knife, a conducted energy weapon, and an Anti Riot Weapon Enfield (ARWEN) from the scene. FROM CP24 ARTICLE, from information provided by SIU...

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[K Douglas]

Police can only shoot to stop a threat to life or stop serious harm. While he was barricaded and the threat was contain, there was no legal justification for the police to go in.

Police can not be the ones that escalated this situation, in this case the victim was responding to their aggressive action. Also, it appears he only had a knife. If he tried to kill himself, police can't shoot him. Their job is to preserve life....

"Investigators have collected a police-issued firearm, a knife, a conducted energy weapon, and an Anti Riot Weapon Enfield (ARWEN) from the scene."(cp24)

What was the rush for police to enter? That's what charges they face will depend on it.

Someone had to go in. What if the police let a family member in and they were shot or stabbed to death? How did this mentally deranged individual get weapons in the first place? So many questions need to be answered before we can say this was a wrongful death.

 

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It's pretty clear, all weapons from police and victim have been collected.

Investigators have collected a police-issued firearm, a knife, a conducted energy weapon, and an Anti Riot Weapon Enfield (ARWEN) from the scene. FROM CP24 ARTICLE, from information provided by SIU...

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I agree if there was no gun, then it’s a different story and we need more evidence such as did the man charge at the officers. Did the officers follow their training or did they improvise and break conduct.

 

[massman]

I agree if there was no gun, then it’s a different story and we need more evidence such as did the man charge at the officers. Did the officers follow their training or did they improvise and break conduct.

I thought they said “put the gun down” but listen again, it’s actually “put the knife down!”

 

[icespot]

Someone had to go in. What if the police let a family member in and they were shot or stabbed to death? How did this mentally deranged individual get weapons in the first place? So many questions need to be answered before we can say this was a wrongful death.

No one needed to go in and check on his well being at that moment.

Police were not responding to any emergency.

No one other than the victim was in danger, and the danger was his own.

The police had all the time in the world, fuck wait outside, he would eventually fall a sleep.

All he had was a knife, and if the police knew that sending a family member at that moment would be dangerous, why in the world did they enter the apartment? There was no pressing matter that would have required such action.

People barricade their doors so that no one enters. He wasn't planning on going outside.

 

[bazokajoe]

I thought they said “put the gun down” but listen again, it’s actually “put the knife down!”

First time I listened to the video I clearly heard "put the gun down". Just listened to it again and heard "put the knife down". I don't know what to believe now.

 

[icespot]

First time I listened to the video I clearly heard "put the gun down". Just listened to it again and heard "put the knife down". I don't know what to believe now.

It was a dog days afternoon, all that gear gets hot, it had been three hours, the thought of cold beer was enticing, old man can't be much of a threat, let's end this quickly,

Now one officer will be charged with Manslaughter,

They could have very easily tactically reposition and back up.

Two entry teams, with the best training available and enough fire power to go into battle, could have used other alternatives.

Remember, this are not beat cops that only get a couple of days refresher every so many years.

This were the NHL players of the force, not the A players.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

And why did his family call the police? Couldn't they have disarmed the frail old man themselves, or talked him into disarming? No, they didn't want to go anywhere near him and his knife. Who want's the the job of disarming armed mentally unstable people?

From what I've read, they didn't call the police. The called an ambulance and they saw the knife, which prompted them to call the cops.

3rd Canadian killed within a month during a wellness check.

 

[basketcase]

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What was the rush for police to enter? That's what charges they face will depend on it.

Especially when the force has a couple teams specially dedicated to crisis intervention.

 

[basketcase]

If he’s was a frail old man that could only take a few little steps before having to sit down (family says) how did he barricade himself in the apartment and how did the taser and rubber bullets not subdue him.

And why did his family call the police? Couldn't they have disarmed the frail old man themselves, or talked him into disarming? No, they didn't want to go anywhere near him and his knife. Who want's the the job of disarming armed mentally unstable people?

What threat did the guy pose to the police or others as he was barricaded that required them to go in before their crisis team arrived? Seems pretty clear the only person he could have injured was himself.

 

[The Oracle]

The only justification I can see here is that Choudry was charging them with a knife.

They enter the apartment at the behest of the family because they are worried that he will harm himself .

And being unsound mentally he just charges at them disobeying their commands to put the knife down.

Being in imminent danger they shoot him. Don't see how this could have played out any different.

The family couldn't have diffused the situation or they wouldn't have called the police to begin with.

If this man were black can you imagine the shit storm that would ensue. Let's see where this goes from here.

No doubt there will be a full investigation. I'm sure given the climate it will be extra thorough. As it should be.

Let's see if BLM decides to subvert this for their own benefit. Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[basketcase]

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Being in imminent danger they shoot him. Don't see how this could have played out any different.
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Other than waiting outside until the crisis team arrived?

 

[Conil]

The only justification I can see here is that Choudry was charging them with a knife.

They enter the apartment at the behest of the family because they are worried that he will harm himself .

And being unsound mentally he just charges at them disobeying their commands to put the knife down.

Being in imminent danger they shoot him. Don't see how this could have played out any different.

The family couldn't have diffused the situation or they wouldn't have called the police to begin with.

If this man were black can you imagine the shit storm that would ensue. Let's see where this goes from here.

No doubt there will be a full investigation. I'm sure given the climate it will be extra thorough. As it should be.

Let's see if BLM decides to subvert this for their own benefit. Wouldn't surprise me.

I also think this is what happened, they used rubber bullets and tazed him. We've seen in the past the taser doesn't work with all mentally ill people and that didn't stop him, he likely lunged at the cops with a knife.

 

[bazokajoe]

Other than waiting outside until the crisis team arrived?

It was 4 hours of talking. How long do you wait? Does the city only have 1 response team? Are they on call?
Something tells me there is way more to the story than what is being reported. I think something triggered the cops to charge in.
It will be months before the final report will be in.
If they charge the cop(s) before the report is out,it's obvious they were made political scapegoats.

 

[The Oracle]

Other than waiting outside until the crisis team arrived?

Tell me all about this ''crisis' team that you are writing about?

 

[The Oracle]

It was 4 hours of talking. How long do you wait? Does the city only have 1 response team? Are they on call?
Something tells me there is way more to the story than what is being reported. I think something triggered the cops to charge in.
It will be months before the final report will be in.
If they charge the cop(s) before the report is out,it's obvious they were made political scapegoats.

You bring up some valid questions. But given the present political climate i'm betting this gets expedited.

 

[derrick76]

The only justification I can see here is that Choudry was charging them with a knife.

They enter the apartment at the behest of the family because they are worried that he will harm himself .

And being unsound mentally he just charges at them disobeying their commands to put the knife down.

Being in imminent danger they shoot him. Don't see how this could have played out any different.

The family couldn't have diffused the situation or they wouldn't have called the police to begin with.

If this man were black can you imagine the shit storm that would ensue. Let's see where this goes from here.

No doubt there will be a full investigation. I'm sure given the climate it will be extra thorough. As it should be.

Let's see if BLM decides to subvert this for their own benefit. Wouldn't surprise me.

Clearly you have something against black people. Not sure how they enter this discussion. I'm sure you saw the family members and the community blocking traffic and protesting today.

But here you are fixated on black people and BLM.

 

[The Oracle]

Clearly you have something against black people. Not sure how they enter this discussion. I'm sure you saw the family members and the community blocking traffic and protesting today.

But here you are fixated on black people and BLM.

Negative brother......

 

[icespot]

Tell me all about this ''crisis' team that you are writing about?

Negotiators, trained to defuse situations just like this one.

Also, on another note

We know just from common sense that there are 3 tactical teams in that area at that time.

One for each police force level, so resources was not an issue.

And in a case where there is Mentally Sick person, you use your brains not your bullet s.

And you guys do know that Mental illness is a protected ground of discrimination.

Get some compassion....