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squeezer

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Guess you are not going to be freely traveling and doing what the majority of responsible Canadians are doing. Get your shot and do your part or move to a deserted island so you aren't a danger to the population.
 
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basketcase

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Of course there were numerous studies about covid causing heart inflammation in young men that the OP chooses to ignore.
 
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All this to avoid a cold ?
A cold that has killed 26,000 Canadians.

Please tell us how many "colds" have had these kinds of outcomes.
 
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jcpro

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We have some good evidence coming out from Israel, Germany and the American CDC that strongly suggests that young males should at very least stop taking the vaccines and wait for more studies.
 
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We have some good evidence coming out from Israel, Germany and the American CDC that strongly suggests that young males should at very least stop taking the vaccines and wait for more studies.
Interesting attempt at a conclusion. Scientists are the type to investigate every report to search for the truth. What you are talking about is media and other people with agendas pushing a claim that isn't well supported. There definitely is enough reason for further investigation but that is far from saying young men shouldn't get vaccinated.

Even then, the reports specify the second dose so there is no reason not to get the first dose.

Vaccination of children is a different question. Serious impact of catching covid is rare but there is the possibility of transmitting the virus when even fully vaccinated people still have a 5% chance of catching it. that means we are left with worrying about covid transmission and a very low risk of serious infection or worrying about a very low risk of heart inflammation.
 

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It's just a jab dude.
We gotta save grandma!

So what if young men are getting all these things, in the end at least we will save the 90 year olds that are nearing death.
 

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It's just a jab dude.
We gotta save grandma!

So what if young men are getting all these things, in the end at least we will save the 90 year olds that are nearing death.
‘THE TRUE MEASURE OF ANY SOCIETY CAN BE FOUND IN HOW IT TREATS ITS MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS’

BTW, thousands of babies & children have died from covid.

"... ... by the point one reaches the age of 81, one’s common life expectancy is between 88 and 90...

"... ...This study’s sample presents an average age-at-death [from covid19] of 72.9...

...And naturally there are different dangers than dying. One of many issues that the sceptics don’t spend a lot time speaking about is the long-term results of catching the virus,

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/the-average-years-of-life-lost-per-death-is-16-years.740949/

Is a wise old 90 year olds' brain and life worth more than a young covidiot's life. Absolutely!

LOL.
 

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‘THE TRUE MEASURE OF ANY SOCIETY CAN BE FOUND IN HOW IT TREATS ITS MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS’

BTW, thousands of babies & children have died from covid.

"... ... by the point one reaches the age of 81, one’s common life expectancy is between 88 and 90...

"... ...This study’s sample presents an average age-at-death [from covid19] of 72.9...

...And naturally there are different dangers than dying. One of many issues that the sceptics don’t spend a lot time speaking about is the long-term results of catching the virus,

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/the-average-years-of-life-lost-per-death-is-16-years.740949/

Is a wise old 90 year olds' brain and life worth more than a young covidiot's life. Absolutely!

LOL.
ok grandpa!

yes babies and old people have shit immune systems, this is common knowledge.

What a rich quote coming from a known pedophile!
 
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lenny2

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yes babies and old people have shit immune systems, this is common knowledge.
Not necessarily in regards to covid. And people of any age can have a weak immune system.

Why are so many middle aged dying of covid in the USA?

"...And naturally there are different dangers than dying. One of many issues that the sceptics don’t spend a lot time speaking about is the long-term results of catching the virus,

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/the-average-years-of-life-lost-per-death-is-16-years.740949/

What a rich quote coming from a known pedophile!
You mean this quote:

‘THE TRUE MEASURE OF ANY SOCIETY CAN BE FOUND IN HOW IT TREATS ITS MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS’

I didn't state who quoted that. And, of course anyone could say it & then someone else quote that person who said it.

In any case, your comment is irrelevant and misses the mark.
 

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Interesting attempt at a conclusion. Scientists are the type to investigate every report to search for the truth. What you are talking about is media and other people with agendas pushing a claim that isn't well supported. There definitely is enough reason for further investigation but that is far from saying young men shouldn't get vaccinated.

Even then, the reports specify the second dose so there is no reason not to get the first dose.

Vaccination of children is a different question. Serious impact of catching covid is rare but there is the possibility of transmitting the virus when even fully vaccinated people still have a 5% chance of catching it. that means we are left with worrying about covid transmission and a very low risk of serious infection or worrying about a very low risk of heart inflammation.
Let me put it in the term you can see the big picture. If the numbers of young men developing heart complications is to follow the Israeli experience, the number the US can expect is roughly 150 THOUSAND cases. Don't you think.that that deserve a pause and a bit of study? Especially since young men are NOT at risk from covid. Why.does the benefit outweigh the risk not apply, here?
 

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We have some good evidence coming out from Israel, Germany and the American CDC that strongly suggests that young males should at very least stop taking the vaccines and wait for more studies.
People who are least likely to get sick trying experimental vaccines

Darwinism at its finest
 

jcpro

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People who are least likely to get sick trying experimental vaccines

Darwinism at its finest
We're vaccinating without testing for antibodies and we are using experimental drug on people who don't need it. I don't know what kind of "science " this is.
 

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We're vaccinating without testing for antibodies and we are using experimental drug on people who don't need it. I don't know what kind of "science " this is.
So if I follow your astute scientific reasoning, vaccines are for people already infected (ie: presence of antibodies) with a disease. And I thought vaccines were given to prevent and stop the spread of contagious diseases. So I guess the scientists really dropped the ball on polio, smallpox, measles, etc, etc, etc. If you don't have the disease - you don't need protection !

I guess we can throw out condoms - if you don't have it - why do you need protection ?
 

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So if I follow your astute scientific reasoning, vaccines are for people already infected (ie: presence of antibodies) with a disease. And I thought vaccines were given to prevent and stop the spread of contagious diseases. So I guess the scientists really dropped the ball on polio, smallpox, measles, etc, etc, etc. If you don't have the disease - you don't need protection !

I guess we can throw out condoms - if you don't have it - why do you need protection ?
Lol! Except that we actually have the "science" that says that in the case of covid those who have the antibodies can be reinfected, but can easily resist the progression of the virus and are unlikely to spread it due to being asymptomatic. That's what we know for certain. Why am I mentioning it? Because the vaccines we're wasting on kids and people with antibodies should instead be used as the second shot for those at risk. BTW, we don't know the reasons for the side effects being caused by the vaccines in the young men. A plain reason and science say that in such case more research is required before continuing to administer the medicine. But, of course, these days "science " is what an asshole politician says it is- like Bill Blair and his 75%-25% solution that he pulled out straight from his ass.
 

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Lol! Except that we actually have the "science" that says that in the case of covid those who have the antibodies can be reinfected, but can easily resist the progression of the virus and are unlikely to spread it due to being asymptomatic.
Asymptomatic means you do not have any symptoms of a disease when you have it - period. I looked up three different medical sources and all stated that asymptomatic virus carriers had the ability to spread the disease. From one study of children (a large portion are asymptomatic) " they had the same viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in their nasal areas, meaning that asymptomatic children had the same capacity to spread the virus compared to others who had symptoms of COVID-19."

We have enough vaccine that we don't have to ration. There is more chance of waste (and a logistic nightmare) if you are tested for antibodies before the vaccine shot. I have the first shot and going for the second so of course I will test positive for antibodies - I am going to reinforce the vaccine and my body's ability to fight COVID and its variants.

The history of vaccines are well documented. The numbers falling off in areas where people are getting vaccinated is not rocket science (except with Q-Anon and morons). I may get a mild case and as long as COVID runs free, variants will have the opportunity to evolve. When we hit herd immunity - the disease will be rare and life will return to normal. The only caveat is the cowards and misinformed that chose to prolong this hell we have already endured longer than necessary. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.
 
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basketcase

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Let me put it in the term you can see the big picture. If the numbers of young men developing heart complications is to follow the Israeli experience, the number the US can expect is roughly 150 THOUSAND cases. Don't you think.that that deserve a pause and a bit of study? Especially since young men are NOT at risk from covid. Why.does the benefit outweigh the risk not apply, here?
Let me put it in words you can understand,..

I... There definitely is enough reason for further investigation but that is far from saying young men shouldn't get vaccinated.
...
 

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Asymptomatic means you do not have any symptoms of a disease when you have it - period. I looked up three different medical sources and all stated that asymptomatic virus carriers had the ability to spread the disease. From one study of children (a large portion are asymptomatic) " they had the same viral load of SARS-CoV-2 in their nasal areas, meaning that asymptomatic children had the same capacity to spread the virus compared to others who had symptoms of COVID-19."
Source for any scientific study that actually shows this

You can only spread virus for a certain number of days (10 seems to be the lucky number)
Simply being sick with Covid for a long period of time (those with immune system deficiencies) does not make them more likely to spread the virus

The larger issue is many of the "infected" people are not really infected; the tests are finding trace amounts of virus long after a person has recovered

The asymptomatic spread bullshit is to further the narrative
It really is an "I don't know" from Public Health who has been unable to trace the virus adequately
 

IM469

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Source for any scientific study that actually shows this

You can only spread virus for a certain number of days (10 seems to be the lucky number)
Simply being sick with Covid for a long period of time (those with immune system deficiencies) does not make them more likely to spread the virus

The larger issue is many of the "infected" people are not really infected; the tests are finding trace amounts of virus long after a person has recovered

The asymptomatic spread bullshit is to further the narrative
It really is an "I don't know" from Public Health who has been unable to trace the virus adequately
I usually do list the source but just google it or the quote from the study I provided. I saw two but they aren't hard to find. If you don't look know - why make it up ?

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You can only spread virus for a certain number of days (10 seems to be the lucky number)
Simply being sick with Covid for a long period of time (those with immune system deficiencies) does not make them more likely to spread the virus

Many people kick the virus after two weeks and are obviously not spreading a virus they no longer have. As for "sick for a long period of time does not make them more likely to spread the virus - I'd love to see that reference (medical not Qanon). Covid attacks the lungs - how can you have covid in the lungs - exhale and not be contagious ???
 
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