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So...who's watching?

A 7 part mini-series on HBO and in Canada on The Movie Network about the first US led invasion of Iraq.

On Sundays at 9:00 pm in The Sopranos old time slot.
 
The Cunning Linguist said:
So...who's watching?

A 7 part mini-series on HBO and in Canada on The Movie Network about the first US led invasion of Iraq.

On Sundays at 9:00 pm in The Sopranos old time slot.
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Excellent series, except wouldn't it be the second invasion? Or does Desert Storm not count as an invasion?
 
We are enjoying it. It is the beginning of the current invasion, the one initiated by Jr, not Dad. I could not take being a soldier, the fighting part I could handle, but the incompetent superiors would drive me crazy
 
Just it's a freaking awesome series.....

But with the superiors it really isn't any different than corporate management. For eg: I had one GM pester a customer over $200.00 so much he took his next project (worth $5M US when US was at 1.5 Cdn) to another company........

I know what you mean though, the sargent major screaming because one grunt lost his helmet when he lost a truck load of weapons, claymores, ammo and 400 lbs of C4.....

I could never be a soldier, if a superior was laying into me like that over a helmet when he just lost a half million worth of supplies I would have just shot him......
 
thompo69 said:
Excellent series, except wouldn't it be the second invasion? Or does Desert Storm not count as an invasion?
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The US never really entered Iraq in the first Gulf War...The first Gulf War's main objective was to retake Kuwait from Iraq...

Read the book and watched the first two episodes....From what I remember, the HBO series is pretty faithful to the book...

Great series so far...
 
Spiker said:
Watching in HD and really enjoying it. Missed last nights, have it PVR'd though.
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It's on a number of times throughout the week if you miss it on sunday.

It is great in the sense that it shows some of the major errors the military made during the initial assault.

ie: Supplying the enemy with weapons
not shooting combatants
Not properly processing enemies who surrendered
by passing enemy strongholds

I can see all the above directly contributing to the problems they have now...

btw: I love the driver with the elvis glasses, he's a fricken HOOT, radar love, lol......and that mexican guy? "I hang white whitey now because whitey won't take you behind the tasty freeze and stab you with a screwdriver" lol.....
 
tboy said:
But with the superiors it really isn't any different than corporate management......
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You are right, I could not work for incompetent corporate management either. But when peoples lives are at stake, it would be even worse.
 
It is a great series....

which is extremely realistic and certainly portrays what soldiers are going through in Iraq and I am sure the same is true for the Canadians in Afganistan.
 
Pargolfer said:
which is extremely realistic and certainly portrays what soldiers are going through in Iraq and I am sure the same is true for the Canadians in Afganistan.
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Maybe for SOME of the soldiers and what it was like at the beginning of the war, but certainly not now.

There is another on Discovery I think. Called Iraq day. They gave cameras to a whole bunch of soldiers and had them film their day to day life.

There was one where they were escorting a convoy and an IED blew up the hummer in front of them. The IED was placed about 50 yds from an Iraqi checkpoint and the Iraqis "didn't see anything".

There was another where they were escorting the shitter truck. The driver said: can you imagine getting wasted escorting the shit truck?

There was yet another where they were escorting a convoy and a young woman tried to run across the road between the trucks. she got hit. and her body was severed in two just above the hips.

There was another outside another base where the US passed a law that said Iraqis couldn't cross the road leading to the base. There was a problem when a father had a kid who had been injured by shrapnel and wasn't being allowed to take his kid to the hospital, which was directly across the road, not 20 feet away. The us soldiers were telling him to take the kid to another hospital 10 miles away......

There was another where the patrol was ambushed and they chased the attackers. Only problem was the attackers ran into a mosque and the US aren't allowed to enter.......

Lot's of fucked up shit going on over there.....(which as another great series...it was actually called "over there").
 
Excellent series...if you like the writing and acting in this series, I would recommend "The Wire" which was written by the same creators of this series. "The Wire" is probably one of the best series ever produced for telelvision in the last ten years....terribly underappreciated, unfortunately...
 
So gentlemen....episode 7 has aired, and this series is over.

Any thoughts?

I thought it was great. I got to really care about the characters, and maybe got a bit of a taste of what war and the military might really be like.

Unbelievable the way incompetence gets rewarded, as long as you kiss the right ass....
 
The Cunning Linguist said:
So gentlemen....episode 7 has aired, and this series is over.

Any thoughts?
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We loved it, it is too bad that it is not going to be an ongoing series. I am going to get the book by the Rolling Stone Writer that it is based on. It is at least somewhat non-fiction.

Gentlemen, we are very much in the game.
 
There was another HBO series on Iraq a year or tw ago that was pretty good. Can't remember the name right now.

Have seen the show a couple times. Think downloading is in order.
 
basketcase said:
There was another HBO series on Iraq a year or tw ago that was pretty good. Can't remember the name right now.

Have seen the show a couple times. Think downloading is in order.
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It was called "over there" not sure what happened to it. I don't think it was renewed for another season although it was good also.

Here's what I learned from that series:
1) The soldiers know how to fight, but the leaders don't know how to win.
2) The leadership in the military (from the CIC down) look at the big picture from a strategic point of view but don't know how to fight
3) Cannot look past the immediate fight to what happens after the current fight is over.
4) The commanders (from squad level up) don't listen to the ones doing the fighting.

I know hindsight is 20/20 but at least the leadership of the forces at the end of the second world war had a plan for an interim government and to support the civilian populaton until they got things up and running again.

From what we now know of Iraq, they were too caught up with "objectives" and not enough with how those objectives are/were achieved, and what to do after they achieved them.

I too wish it was an ongoing series, it was too well done to let it stop where it did but as with many things, better to go out on top, as opposed to the series getting old.

It very much reminded me of "Band of Brothers" in its execution.......
 
Spiker said:
Watched all 7 eposiodes and really enjoyed it. Well acted and well written. Loved the football scene at the end where the stress and frustration really came out.

I'm finding that with all the great HBO programming (.e. Entourage, Gen Kill, Curb Your...) it's getting harder to watch the regualr cable crap crammed with commercials and shitty writing. I wish HBO could air in canada as opposed to select programs on TMN.
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You're so right on that Spiker.....it seems its the same old crap on the networks season after season. I kind of wish robbers would allow you to only pick the "premium" channels and not the networks.......

One thing that DOES piss me off though is how robbers makes you pay for channels like discovery, TLC, etc yet you still have to sit through 20 minutes of commercials. If we're "paying" to watch the channel, why are their commercials?
 
Was a great series.... there were several making of shorts on demand as well where the characters, writer, actors and director were interviewed. It also has a great website.

OTB
 
TB77 said:
Read the book, when it came out, pumped when I heard they made a miniseries on it. It was f ing awsome. Rudy Reyes in the show was actually himself ! Sgt "Iceman" Colbert is my hero


http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938873/the_killer_elite

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5937455/the_killer_elite_part_two_from_hell_to_baghdad

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938010/the_killer_elite_part_three_the_battle_for_baghdad
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Thanks for posting these Rolling Stone links!!!
 
And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder: One of the four beasts saying: "Come and see." And I saw. And behold, a white horse.
There's a man goin' 'round takin' names. An' he decides who to free and who to blame. Everybody won't be treated all the same. There'll be a golden ladder reaching down. When the man comes around.

The hairs on your arm will stand up. At the terror in each sip and in each sup. For you partake of that last offered cup, Or disappear into the potter's ground. When the man comes around.

Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers. One hundred million angels singin'. Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum. Voices callin', voices cryin'. Some are born an' some are dyin'. It's Alpha's and Omega's Kingdom come.

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree. The virgins are all trimming their wicks. The whirlwind is in the thorn tree. It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Till Armageddon, no Shalam, no Shalom. Then the father hen will call his chickens home. The wise men will bow down before the throne. And at his feet they'll cast their golden crown. When the man comes around.

Whoever is unjust, let him be unjust still. Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still. Whoever is filthy, let him be filthy still. Listen to the words long written down, When the man comes around.

Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers. One hundred million angels singin'. Multitudes are marchin' to the big kettle drum. Voices callin', voices cryin'. Some are born an' some are dyin'. It's Alpha's and Omega's Kingdom come.

And the whirlwind is in the thorn tree. The virgins are all trimming their wicks. The whirlwind is in the thorn tree. It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

In measured hundredweight and penny pound. When the man comes around.

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts, And I looked and behold: a pale horse. And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And Hell followed with him.
 
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