Ok, just when you think you have seen it all, this happens. I get an envelope in the mail today and I open it up and there is a fine in it from the City Of Toronto in the amount of $60.00 for having graffit on my garage door. I live in the city where my garage is in the back of the house with access from a back lane way, Kids go back there late at night and go to town on the garage doors. I have painted my garage door the last three years and got sick of painting over the graffiti so I left it this year. Now I receive a fine in the mail. When did this start. The city penalizes the homeowners and not the vandals. It's my house, if I want graffiti what the hell business is that of the City. Besides it's in the back laneway and no one see's it. I should just tell them it's my daughters art work and tell them I'm not removing it. Has anyone ever heard of this before and when did this start. I guess the city is really getting desparate for more money.
Have you ever?????????
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That is fuck up!
First I seen that a fire inspector has the RIGHT to enter your house to checkout the smoke detector....now this
Canada... a very nice place to visit but not sure I would enjoy living there.
First I seen that a fire inspector has the RIGHT to enter your house to checkout the smoke detector....now this
Canada... a very nice place to visit but not sure I would enjoy living there.
The Graffitti isn't offensive, if it was I would have no choice but to take it off right away. I don't want my kids seeing it let alone someone elses. It's just a name or symbol in that fancy script. I can't understand why someone would complain, almost every garage has graffitti on it. Bob, i'm sure the city is going to be right on top of paying for the security camera.
They won't even cut their lawns in Markham (see 'This is why electricity is dangerous **Graphic**'
thread for reference) and your getting fined for not cleaning up vandalism???
I say price the paint and weigh the time and cost of the repair. If its more than $60 then heck they just gave you a $60 pass on fixing it. Especially if it is to be vandalized again and the viscous cycle of fixed-vandalized-fined-fixed that could lead to.
No seriously, I know this is not really the way to go on this but I don't like being hit over the head to get my attention to do something.(so neither was the fine the way to go)
The reason I added to the thread was to second what Bob Loblaw said, you may also want to make some local inquiries. The city doesn't usually act on this type of thing without some kind of complaint being registered.
thread for reference) and your getting fined for not cleaning up vandalism???
I say price the paint and weigh the time and cost of the repair. If its more than $60 then heck they just gave you a $60 pass on fixing it. Especially if it is to be vandalized again and the viscous cycle of fixed-vandalized-fined-fixed that could lead to.
No seriously, I know this is not really the way to go on this but I don't like being hit over the head to get my attention to do something.(so neither was the fine the way to go)
The reason I added to the thread was to second what Bob Loblaw said, you may also want to make some local inquiries. The city doesn't usually act on this type of thing without some kind of complaint being registered.
S.C. Joe said:That is fuck up!
First I seen that a fire inspector has the RIGHT to enter your house to checkout the smoke detector....now this
Canada... a very nice place to visit but not sure I would enjoy living there.
it doesn't bother me more than LEs walking in the middle of your session with an MPA.
slademan said:
Tell them that it is not graffiti, it is art. That will confuse them And with freedom of expression they are probably not willing to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a Charter challenge. But you will have to go to court.
but they did take some woman to court, and won, or just harassed her with threats of taxes. Shop owner, Danforth area I think. Had large brick wall alongside driveway off Danforth, or other major street. Difference is that it wasn't "graffiti" but a whole wall of artwork. City said no, it's graffiti, get rid of it.
I'm getting sick of this country.. another reason to move to Europe when the opportunity arises
also its ridiculous where our tax dollars is being spent... that's right.. hiring inspectors to make sure everyone has their lawn mowed and that grass is under 20cm? bullshit!
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_35037.aspx
also its ridiculous where our tax dollars is being spent... that's right.. hiring inspectors to make sure everyone has their lawn mowed and that grass is under 20cm? bullshit!
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_35037.aspx
Interesting...and contradictory...
A quick search on Toronto's website, found this link to the bylaw...
http://www.toronto.ca/graffiti/abatement_program.htm#bylaw
An excerpt from the bylaw...
"City staff will assist owners with removing graffiti from their property and will use enforcement measures only as a last resort. When City staff enforces compliance with the bylaw they will try to provide owners with as many ways as possible to comply."
PW
A quick search on Toronto's website, found this link to the bylaw...
http://www.toronto.ca/graffiti/abatement_program.htm#bylaw
An excerpt from the bylaw...
"City staff will assist owners with removing graffiti from their property and will use enforcement measures only as a last resort. When City staff enforces compliance with the bylaw they will try to provide owners with as many ways as possible to comply."
PW
Pleezerwell said:A quick search on Toronto's website, found this link to the bylaw...
http://www.toronto.ca/graffiti/abatement_program.htm#bylaw
An excerpt from the bylaw...
"City staff will assist owners with removing graffiti from their property and will use enforcement measures only as a last resort. When City staff enforces compliance with the bylaw they will try to provide owners with as many ways as possible to comply."
PW
Based on that info I'd be calling the city and asking why they decided a fine was the first step instead of the last resort.......
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