Have you ever made love to a woman in deep sleep?

[simon482]

Yes.

Many men abuse and rape their wives against their will.

To think that is not happening is rather ignorant.

Remember that sexual assault is about power not about the actual act.
It has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with controlling another human being in the most controlling way possible.

i agree that men and women treat their so's like shit ona regular basis and get beaten and raped regular. to say it is only women that suffer is ignorant. what the original poster said is not rape, because i have been woken out of deep sleep to sex and i have woken women up to it as well.

now if he said he was trying to shove a tennis racket into her asshole while she was asleep ya i would call that rape.

 

[dj1470]

i agree that men and women treat their so's like shit ona regular basis and get beaten and raped regular. to say it is only women that suffer is ignorant. what the original poster said is not rape, because i have been woken out of deep sleep to sex and i have woken women up to it as well.

now if he said he was trying to shove a tennis racket into her asshole while she was asleep ya i would call that rape.

Point taken.

But I knew a friend that was in this situation back in college.

Consensual sex turned into a sexual assault charge 2 days later.
We all found out later that she had a boyfriend and he found out about her transgressions and this was her way of explaining it.

The charge was eventually dropped but he had to live with that stigma for a long time and no one ever looked at him the same.

I know it's a matter of degrees but I always try to warn people in situations like this.

 

[simon482]

Point taken.

But I knew a friend that was in this situation back in college.

Consensual sex turned into a sexual assault charge.

The charge was eventually dropped but he had to live with that stigma for a long time and no one ever looked at him the same.

I know it a matter of degrees but I always try to warn people in situations like this.

at no time did i disagree that if someone says no you have no choice to stop and i have been in situations where i was told to stop and yes it was really fucking hard (literally) but i had to and int he end the girl respected me more for respecting her.

what i am saying is we are all going a little over board with the rape shit. seriously like the other guy said, do you walk up to your wife and ask her to give her a playful kiss on the neck or do you just do it, you gonna wake her up before you roll over and put your arm over her and touch her boob. lots of people intiate sex from a sleeping postion considering you are already in bed and basically naked, the fact that neither of them woke up just shows that he really sucks.

 

[alwayslooking]

And if she changes her mind the day after what exactly do you tell the detective who comes to interview you.
In a he said/she said argument the male will lose 99 times out of 100.
Please try to be realistic.

Still doesn't change the fact that there was no rape

It's "realistic" to ask for permission every time you wanna fuck your girlfriend. It can't just be implied beforehand? That's a shitty world you live in if this is true

 

[alwayslooking]

Point taken.

But I knew a friend that was in this situation back in college.

Consensual sex turned into a sexual assault charge 2 days later.
We all found out later that she had a boyfriend and he found out about her transgressions and this was her way of explaining it.

The charge was eventually dropped but he had to live with that stigma for a long time and no one ever looked at him the same.

I know it's a matter of degrees but I always try to warn people in situations like this.

Your friend did nothing wrong here. Whether the girl was awake or asleep seems irrelevant in this scenario. Maybe your advice should be don't "sleep fuck" attached women

 

[krayjee]

Ok there are lots of grey between the black and white.

When I was in university I was fortunate enough to go out with a red headed girl from Sarnia who just couln't get enough sex. I mean that was all she wanted to do.....2 , 3 times a night. Good thing I was only 19. One night it was hot outside we somehow skipped the usual workout. Anyway I woke up at 4 am, went and had a piss, came back to bed. When I got back and started to get into bed I noticed that she had shifted onto her back and had spread her legs. Man she looked good.

Huh ! .... You remind me of my ex mpa GF, the only difference was she loved doing it 2-3 times a day during the day times or in the mornings cuz she was drunk most of the time at nights. I was with her for almost 2 yrs and I did with her just that once while she was sleeping drunk. I could have done it so many times if I wanted to. She never ever says no to my sexual approaches and I was the one who had to say no in some occasions cuz she wanted to do it in some inappropiate places. She's really wild and was really fun to be with. Some guys from this board know very well how wild and fun she was.

I don't worry much about those who were judgemental here. We live in a messy world with all kinds of people,some good, some bad, some judgemental, some extremist, some think they way are the only right ways..so I don't really sweat on it unless I offended some one. You can even call me judgemental here cuz I think most people on this board are sex addicts including me. Most people judge others comparing with their own standards and ideals. I live by my rules, my standards and my principles so long as I don't hurt any one I am fine with it.

 

[train]

If you do not give a woman a chance to say "no" then it is sexual assualt.

There is no grey area. You are guilty and a rapist.

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If you read my post you can see why it is foolish to make these all encompassing pronouncements.

If you want to end it to the ridiculous - have you ever touched your wife's or girlfriends breasts or ass without asking?

 

[Ladyraven]

not really sure what you are trying to say here. the fact they didn't slap him and break up with him said they are okay with it, the fact the new girl has asked him to do it again said they are okay with it. there is a huge difference between rape and being with someone that is in bed with you by choice. i can't tell you how many times either myself or an ex has tried to wake someone up with kisses and touching or how many have faked being asleep to see how far they would go to wake you up. the fact they didn't wake up says he is lying about being average size.

regardless if the other party (male or female) wakes up says stop you have to stop because it is rape.

uggggg .. go back to miterd.. they all think like morons.. you fit right in..

 

[blackrock13]

Huh ! .... You remind me of my ex mpa GF, the only difference was she loved doing it 2-3 times a day during the day times or in the mornings cuz she was drunk most of the time at nights. I was with her for almost 2 yrs and I did with her just that once while she was sleeping drunk. I could have done it so many times if I wanted to. She never ever says no to my sexual approaches and I was the one who had to say no in some occasions cuz she wanted to do it in some inappropiate places. She's really wild and was really fun to be with. Some guys from this board know very well how wild and fun she was.

I don't worry much about those who were judgemental here. We live in a messy world with all kinds of people,some good, some bad, some judgemental, some extremist, some think they way are the only right ways..so I don't really sweat on it unless I offended some one. You can even call me judgemental here cuz I think most people on this board are sex addicts including me. Most people judge others comparing with their own standards and ideals. I live by my rules, my standards and my principles so long as I don't hurt any one I am fine with it.

Hmmmm! That 'splains a lot about this fucking a drunk thing. You GF was drunk alot of time with you. Niiiice!!!

Then you get all philosophical on us in the last paragraph. If this the way you truly feel, why did you posts this thread? Was it just a passive boast?

 

[simon482]

uggggg .. go back to miterd.. they all think like morons.. you fit right in..

no reason for insulting me, did i insult you ? no i don't think i did. can we get a mod over here to delete this post please.

 

[alwayslooking]

what's miterd? never mind i figured it out

 

[richaceg]

I've given DATY probably 10X or so to sleeping GF so far I got 9 Ooohss (which ends up in sex) and 1 kick in the face.

 

[simon482]

what's miterd? never mind i figured it out

something that everyone here reads but won't admit to. basically when you can't think of a response and know you are wrong and out of options you just throw out some random statement in a hopes the other person will go away.

 

[krayjee]

Hmmmm! That 'splains a lot about this fucking a drunk thing. You GF was drunk alot of time with you. Niiiice!!!

Then you get all philosophical on us in the last paragraph. If this the way you truly feel, why did you posts this thread? Was it just a passive boast?

Please do not forget this is a review board where people exchange their knowledges and experiences. There is nothing to boast, I know who I am and what I have acheived in my life, I was just giving out more details so to clear the air of some who were shooting blanks with their eyes closed. She is capable of drinking 7-8 beers in one dinner date. There are some guys in this board who had dated her and know her well. Sorry I missed out some in my philosophy above, "some jealous, some don't," and "jealous people live miserable lives".

 

[Ladyraven]

I've given DATY probably 10X or so to sleeping GF so far I got 9 Ooohss (which ends up in sex) and 1 kick in the face.

yes but they woke up.. they were given a choice to kick in the face or go with it.. I love Being WOKE UP that way.. key word here is awake

 

[alwayslooking]

yes but they woke up.. they were given a choice to kick in the face or go with it.. I love Being WOKE UP that way.. key word here is awake

WOW You're confusing

 

[Ladyraven]

WOW You're confusing

how so? if my SO went down on me and I did not wake up i would be pissed let alone being fucked in my sleep. but i do wake up and well i now have the choice to kick him the face or not

 

[dj1470]

If you read my post you can see why it is foolish to make these all encompassing pronouncements.

If you want to end it to the ridiculous - have you ever touched your wife's or girlfriends breasts or ass without asking?

Please read my posts before you make iditoic personal attacks.

What you refer to I am not talking about.

Please aquaint yourself with the law.

I am discussing sexual assault.
Not sexual touching, molestation, or harassment.
Completely different things.

I am talking about sexual assault.
If you stick your cock into a woman without her permission it is rape.

There is no argument.

 

[JustSex]

The woman beside me is my lover and chances are good that we did the deed before we went to sleep. So I'm sleeping in the nude and while spooning her get a little excited, if I start rubbing my dick against her pussy - she hasn't consented and I'm committing rape ??? I've done this many times with lovers and generally she wakes up slowly after letting the action start to get more passionate. I might get a nudge back to wait until later but never does she pick up the phone and dial 911.

If you do not give a woman a chance to say "no" then it is sexual assualt.

There is no grey area. You are guilty and a rapist.

Well if I'm guilty and a rapist - her warm embrace and love making afterwards will not alter the fact that you have already convicted me. All those assaults carried out when I have loving placed my arms around and passionately kissed her before she could say 'no' ... why I should be locked away and have the key thrown away! Interesting that without any forcible confinement, drug induced impaired judgment or threats verbal or implied, in your court [fortunately not a real one] any sexual spontaneity would result in jail time.

I've also had my lover initiate sex before I've had the time to say 'no' so I guess the bitch deserves jail time as well.

If you believe that sex is just to have babies and set out a contractual paper on the appropriate behavior signed by your spouse - good for you. You can use such romantic phrases as 'I'm about to wrap my arms around you, squeeze your bum, draw you close and plant my mouth on yours. Will you please sign this consent for because your moth will be covered unable to say 'no' and according to the law I will be guilty of sexual assault.'

You really want to hang on to this logic for loving couples ??? Please don't pretend that a court is going to find a spouse guilty of rape because a welcomed and consensual encounter began with an element of surprise. It's not even realistic. Take two steps back and look at the arguments here.

 

[simon482]

Well if I'm guilty and a rapist - her warm embrace and love making afterwards will not alter the fact that you have already convicted me. All those assaults carried out when I have loving placed my arms around and passionately kissed her before she could say 'no' ... why I should be locked away and have the key thrown away! Interesting that without any forcible confinement, drug induced impaired judgment or threats verbal or implied, in your court [fortunately not a real one] any sexual spontaneity would result in jail time.

I've also had my lover initiate sex before I've had the time to say 'no' so I guess the bitch deserves jail time as well.

If you believe that sex is just to have babies and set out a contractual paper on the appropriate behavior signed by your spouse - good for you. You can use such romantic phrases as 'I'm about to wrap my arms around you, squeeze your bum, draw you close and plant my mouth on yours. Will you please sign this consent for because your moth will be covered unable to say 'no' and according to the law I will be guilty of sexual assault.'

You really want to hang on to this logic for loving couples ??? Please don't pretend that a court is going to find a spouse guilty of rape because a welcomed and consensual encounter began with an element of surprise. It's not even realistic. Take two steps back and look at the arguments here.

can you please stop making sense and being logical. thanks in advance.