Has prostitution become acceptable

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From the Guardian Newspaper UK



During the 1990s, the number of men paying for sex acts in the UK is estimated to have doubled. It has never been difficult to find an escort, but men who have used prostitutes recently describe how technology has made things dramatically easier. In just the same way that the internet has simplified the way we buy flights and books, finding someone to pay for sex has become a headache-free process online.

The new availability of free internet porn can also have the effect of stoking an appetite, he adds. "The analogy might be, I suppose, that it's like watching Match of the Day, and then being inspired to go out and play football, and try out something you've seen."

Websites where men can post reviews of named, and often pictured, prostitutes are easily accessed through Google. Speaking openly about using prostitutes remains unusual but the anonymity of the web means users can be as frank as they like in their discussions. (A typical exchange on a site yesterday runs: "Natasha can be particularly recommended for her figure and her oral technique." "Natasha isn't particularly busty. Only a C cup." "True true, but I'm willing to overlook a shortcoming if the remainder is exceptional.")

The lap-dancing industry is at pains to make a distinction between what they provide and the illegal sale of sex in massage parlours, but for men who go to their clubs, the line is often more blurred. For a generation of men in their 20s and early 30s, strip clubs have become an unremarkable, fairly uncontroversial nightclub option – forcing them to reassess their own attitudes towards the exchange of money for titillation.

Harry, 26, an advertising executive, visited a brothel twice on a recent holiday in Greece. "Most guys have gone to a strip club and have probably had their fair share of dating and casual sex or whatever," he says. "There's not a great divide between strip clubs and brothels. And I think that's why people like us would consider it, because it doesn't feel like a massive departure."

His attitude was also shaped by his frequent use of online dating organisations. "I've been using internet dating sites quite a lot recently and the mindset is very similar. You meet up with people with no real anticipation of anything happening, and you end up having casual sex because it's easy. So there's a sort of laziness to it. It doesn't really mean anything, it's ready and accessible – and that's exactly how it felt in this place in Greece," he says.

Dan, 28, an online marketing executive, visited strip clubs while he was abroad and came away unsettled by the experience. "I was on holiday, it was fun. It wasn't that big a deal. I didn't feel I was part of that exploitation," he says. "It wasn't sexy. It was just so transactional. Everything that that kind of intimacy shouldn't be. And obviously you know what it is, it's just business, business, business – but it was almost like a vending machine …"

Women's groups are split on how to respond to the growing indifference towards the idea of women selling their bodies – for sex and pornography.

Niki Adams, of the English Collective of Prostitutes, says she welcomes what she sees as a widening acceptance of women working in prostitution because she believes it will "reduce the stigma discrimination that many sex workers face", and because it means that the public are now viewing this as a "reasonable" employment choice.

But other feminist organisations warn that an emerging readiness to portray women who sell their bodies as making empowered choices is very misleading, while anti-pornography campaigners are uneasy about the long-term consequences of this increasing acceptance of pornography and lap dancing.

"It has never been easier or more acceptable to buy or sell women's bodies for sex acts," says Kat Banyard, author of the Equality Illusion, a portrait of modern feminism. "The scale of prostitution, pornography and lap-dancing industries is unprecedented. Much of this is driven by the development of technology. Now porn can be acquired cheaply, immediately and anonymously in your bedroom.

"Meanwhile, the porn industry has cleverly marketed itself though men's magazines as a world where women are sexually liberated and empowered. The reality is very different. The effect of being in that industry is devastating, with 68% of women suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder."

Matt McCormack Evans, an activist who will launch the Anti Porn Men Project on Monday, is concerned that the growing consumption of online porn among adolescents is fostering a new, more open attitude towards paying for sex. McCormack Evans is 22 and dismayed by the speed with which his generation has been presented with enormous, unprecedented access to cheap porn.

"A decade ago, pornography might be something borrowed from cousins, hidden under your mattress; it was difficult to get hold of. There was a feeling that it was something that needed to be kept secret. It is not like that now. There is a sense that you don't need to pretend that you don't consume this," he says.
Now his club gives clients the chance to look at girls "far prettier than they would ever be able to marry, in front of them with their legs wide open," he says. "It's amazing."

A bleaker snapshot of the modern face of Soho's sex industry comes from David Miles, 45, a former drugs project worker, now unemployed, who says he has been buying sex for the past 10 years.

Prices here have stayed down over the decade and the going rate remains between £20 to £100. "You can have quick sex with a beautiful woman for £20, with £2 for the maid. That's very quick – it's called a walk-up; £100 is for half an hour.

"I sometimes feel guilty about it. You are having sex with a young woman for that. Some of these girls are not making much money. That's the sad thing. The arrival of girls from eastern Europe meant that the prices have stayed down."
 

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I think as an occupation it might be becoming more acceptable in society but I don't think being a client will ever mirror that acceptability.
 

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I think as an occupation it might be becoming more acceptable in society but I don't think being a client will ever mirror that acceptability.
really? There has always be a far greater stigma associated with being a prostitute then a john... at least as far as I have observed. It's not exactly a mark of honor for men to go to prostitute or strip bars or watch porn.. .but in the end we are horny devils and boys will be boys.
 

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I can't even fathom what it must have been like to book SPs using the classifieds section of newspapers and magazines, the way it was done pre-internet.

No review boards, no pics, no websites, few if any descriptions and outlines of services offered, etc.

We are living in a golden age of pooning.
 

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Not sure it is becoming more acceptable, but rather that it has just become a lot more exposed and easier to access. I think it would be more accurate to say that perhaps it is more tolerated, due to that increased exposure, which has also allowed the public to see that not all prostitues are drug adicts or people that have hit rock bottom for whatever reason.

If human trafficking starts to gain more attention as an issue, than I suspect that tolerance will start to fade away.
 

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really? There has always be a far greater stigma associated with being a prostitute then a john... at least as far as I have observed. It's not exactly a mark of honor for men to go to prostitute or strip bars or watch porn.. .but in the end we are horny devils and boys will be boys.
I think for an occasional strip club goer I would agree society will generally let that go. I would disagree that being a hobbyist, meaning one who goes to the clubs or mps or sees sps regularly would be looked at the same way.
I think down the road it will be easier for an mpa to say she is going to work at the mp then it will be for her potential clients to tell anyone they are visiting her.
 

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I think for an occasional strip club goer I would agree society will generally let that go. I would disagree that being a hobbyist, meaning one who goes to the clubs or mps or sees sps regularly would be looked at the same way.
I think down the road it will be easier for an mpa to say she is going to work at the mp then it will be for her potential clients to tell anyone they are visiting her.
It depends on who you are telling. Would I tell my mum I went to a hooker? No, would I tell my dad...maybe...would I tell certain friends...sure who cares...
 

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I'm not sure it will ever be acceptable to society. The stigma of paying for sex will always be perceived as a dirty behind closed doors act. The client doesn't want to be found out and most of the ladies don't want to be found out either. So how can it be acceptable if no one wants to be up front about it, purchaser or seller.
 

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With todays standards of casual sex the authors of " Freakenomics #2" claim it has droped the price of prostitution. Their reaserch shows since the supply of non-marital sex is more wide spread, the demand for paid sex is down. 100 years ago women were not in bars , night clubs as much hooking up with men for casual sex as much as today. Supply was less ( not easily found) & a man needed to go to a prostitute to find casual sex. THUS their is a growing attitude that if a guy is paying for it than he must not be able to go on line or to a bar & attract a women interested in casual sex & THUS a loser. One can argue that a man also chooses to see a prostitute for descretion & convienience of time BUT the common attitude is most are parting with their money because they are in general unattractive to the opposite sex & thus cannot obtain free sex easily.
 

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I suspect that today as it was in the past most people would not be telling about their MP / SP activities to anyone except for some selected buddies or TERB bros. In the future I do not see that this will change much.
 

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It depends on who you are telling. Would I tell my mum I went to a hooker? No, would I tell my dad...maybe...would I tell certain friends...sure who cares...
Acceptability implies that you could tell people you normally wouldn't be able to.
 

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With todays standards of casual sex the authors of " Freakenomics #2" claim it has droped the price of prostitution. Their reaserch shows since the supply of non-marital sex is more wide spread, the demand for paid sex is down. 100 years ago women were not in bars , night clubs as much hooking up with men for casual sex as much as today. Supply was less ( not easily found) & a man needed to go to a prostitute to find casual sex. THUS their is a growing attitude that if a guy is paying for it than he must not be able to go on line or to a bar & attract a women interested in casual sex & THUS a loser. One can argue that a man also chooses to see a prostitute for descretion & convienience of time BUT the common attitude is most are parting with their money because they are in general unattractive to the opposite sex & thus cannot obtain free sex easily.
I would argue it is still cheaper then "free sex" and it is more convenient. You don't have to listen to someone blather on all night just to bed her. I am not saying all women are annoying, some (not that many) are amazing...The paradox is greater with younger women, they are often more physically desirable, but less interesting in conversation... this is a broad generalization and there are always exceptions though.
 
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The authors were NOT refering to relationship sex but 1 nite or non commital sex especially for married men. Today with the internet & women at bars looking for such non-commital sex it is much easier to obtain than it was 100 years ago. Married men found it much more difficult 100 years ago to seek out such sex without just going to a prostitute. Married men in society were much more scrutinized in the community. Cities were not as big & people knew their neighbours more so than today. Basically it is easier to be anonamous, accross town, & women are more liberal about non-commital sex as well as society in general. Thus the authors found demand for paid sex down & thus realative prices ( adjusted for inflation over 100 years) are down significantly. The authors found that the generation in their 20's & 30's are less censorious of women who " escort" they look more derogatorily at the guy who " has to pay for it" since they see it as easy to go to a nite club & find lots of horny girls that want to fuck. Of course these guys are nite club worthy, standing at 5'11"+
 

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Agree with the article that because of how much easier it is to get information on SPs, to set up an appointment and to do your research, it seems more "open". And of couse, making it easier means popularity will increase (Apple's #1 strategy).

However I disagree that the availability of internet porn makes we want to see an SP more. For me, it is the reverse. It is so much easier to find the type of porn that gets me off on the web that
1) i'll get off on the porn than see an SP
2) The SP experience can't compete with the porn

Though #2 is probably caused because of my fetishes. I like a certain look and women dressed in a particular way which I have come to realize that it is a harder request for SPs to handle than I thought.
 

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^^^^ The article is ONLY claiming the internet makes it easier to go on DATING sites & SOCIAL network sites to discretely hook-up casual sex with regular women who also want a casual encounter. More so today there is less stigma attached to ladies searching for such encounters & there is more of them doing so. Also 100 years ago it was frowned upon for women to be at bars. There was not the singles nite club scene & far fewer women going to bars..... much less seeking out a casual encounter. All these changes today make it far more available & easier to get casual, non-commital sex from a civilian women. Freakenomics estimated that per capita there is far less men using prostitutes than 100 years ago. Less demand & also more supply of women willing to part time prostitute, therefore the price has dropped.
 

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It is more acceptable? No. Public perception is that prostitution = SWs and human trafficking and RLDs. So general public still johns as a$$holes who take advantage of (underage) girls who were either brought illegally into the country or had not other options but to hook. Also, this article interviews men who are from England. I think Europeans are more open to ideas/concepts relating to sex but here in N.A., it will never be acceptable for a man to say that they see escorts (except for "bad" boy movie/TV stars -- e.g. Charlie Sheen -- but they're rich so why do they care).
 

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From the Guardian Newspaper UK



During the 1990s, the number of men paying for sex acts in the UK is estimated to have doubled. It has never been difficult to find an escort, but men who have used prostitutes recently describe how technology has made things dramatically easier. In just the same way that the internet has simplified the way we buy flights and books, finding someone to pay for sex has become a headache-free process online.
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In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is legal


England and Wales

In England and Wales:

* it is illegal to pay for sexual services “of a prostitute subjected to force”, which is a strict liability offense (since spring 2010, under the Policing and Crime Act 2009)
* for a "prostitute" to loiter or conduct solicitation in a street or public place is illegal, therefore outlawing street prostitution
* it is also illegal for a potential client to solicit in a public place, or solicit from a motor vehicle ("kerb crawling").
* keeping a brothel is illegal (It is an offence for a person to keep, or to manage, or act or assist in the management of, a brothel to which people resort for practices involving prostitution [5]); a brothel is a premises where two or more prostitutes work.
* controlling prostitution for gain is an offence, banning pimping
* escort agencies are illegal where the agency is controlling the escorts.
* a prostitute is defined by the Sexual Offences Act 2003 as a someone who has offered or provided sexual services to another person in return for any financial arrangement on at least one occasion. This definition replaces the previous definition of a common prostitute.
* working as a prostitute in private is legal, as is working as an outcall escort.
* child prostitution is specifically illegal for the person paying (where child is defined as below 18).

The last offence replaced the similar "living on earnings of prostitution" under the Sexual Offences Act 1956.

The Policing and Crime Act 2009, makes 'Paying for sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force' illegal.[6]

According to the present law, one prostitute may work from an indoor premises, but if there are two or more prostitutes the place is considered a brothel and it is illegal.

Scotland

A similar situation exists in Scotland, where prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not illegal but associated activities (such as public solicitation, operating a brothel or other forms of pimping ) are outlawed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom
 

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Its not acceptable, publicly. If it were, then you would be happy when your daughter came home from school and said she was going to be a prostitute after she graduated. You would give her a loan to rent an incall location, act as her driver until she got on her feet (cough), and tell you friends about it. If it were acceptable, then right now the headlines would be about how unfair the latest legal ruling on blood donation is to guys who use prostitutes. As that particular story shows, it turns out that being gay is more socially acceptable than paying for heterosexual sex.
 

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I think prostitution itself is becoming more acceptable - partly due to the internet and places like TERB where people can see they are not a total freak for hobbying. I still think we are far from the point where people would casually discuss their involvement in it though.
 
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