Were you on heavy medication when you dreamed this up? Israel has only been willing to agree to a solution that highly favors Israel. Israel has broken many ceasefires. What security guarantees is Israel willing to provide.
Harpo accuses UN of anti-semitism.....
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I don't think that's true. I think the world has a rather more nuanced view and wants a two state solution based on a negotiated peace, not one unilaterally imposed by Israel.The entire world wants Isreal to get the fuck right out of the west bank and get on with a 2 state solution.
Maybe you care to comment on whether you think Hebron is Arab land. I'm curious how you see it: It had a large Jewish demographic until the Arabs slaughtered all the Jews living there. So is it stolen Jewish land? Or what?Maybe they can get Upper Volta on their side with a few bribes and treats. Isreal has a great deal if they are forced behind the green line (the 1968 border) at least half of that was stolen Arab land.
Please don't cite anything from the UN you've already made the argument that the UN is biased and doesn't even care whether Israel exists.
Would you care to give an example of any time or date when the Palistinians or the Arabs surrounding Isreal have initiated peace talks ? The Isrealis have initiated several rounds of talks and yes Isreali security is the single biggest issue. It would have to be wouldn't it, the surrounding countries have declared the destruction of Isreal is priority. The settlements in a number of areas can be removed, Jerusalem is the capital of ISreal , as well as being the third most important Muslim holy site as well as a number of Christian sites, it needs serious negotiations efore anything is settled on that front.Were you on heavy medication when you dreamed this up? Israel has only been willing to agree to a solution that highly favors Israel. Israel has broken many ceasefires. What security guarantees is Israel willing to provide.
The ISrealis will negotiate for peace and will give territory back if they have security guarentees.
The entire west bank and Gaza is Arab land. Even almost half of 1968 Isreal is Arab land. Most observers believe that if Isreal would withdraw from every square inch of the west bank and give arabs equal rights within Isreal and acknowledge that the Arabs they drove out of Isreal in 1948, who still have the keys to their homes, had the right to return to their homes, then the big powers could guarantee the existance of Isreal within the 1968 borders. Done.I don't think that's true. I think the world has a rather more nuanced view and wants a two state solution based on a negotiated peace, not one unilaterally imposed by Israel.
Maybe you care to comment on whether you think Hebron is Arab land. I'm curious how you see it: It had a large Jewish demographic until the Arabs slaughtered all the Jews living there. So is it stolen Jewish land? Or what?
Please don't cite anything from the UN you've already made the argument that the UN is biased and doesn't even care whether Israel exists.
A lot of people thought the UN was just swell when it did exactly what the USA wanted but then all of those poor countries and Arab countries were admitted and the UN tends to ignore the USA on many issues. Most see the USA as the major source of problems in the world, not the source of solutions.
That he is.man, this guy just keeps digging our country deeper and deeper... just because one opposes Israeli policies does not mean one is anti-semetic. He is such a dick...
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...li-stand-cost-canada-un-seat-harper-says?bn=1
Arab? Or Palestinian? I asked you to comment on why it was OK for Jordan and Egypt to unilaterally annex those territories as if they were their own. Nobody protested then. Why protest now?The entire west bank and Gaza is Arab land.
In stating that, you seem to be asserting that the UN and its resolutions have some sort of relevance. I thought it was your opinion that the UN didn't care whether Israel existed, and, therefore, that the UN was completely irrelevant to this discussion?Even almost half of 1968 Isreal is Arab land.
That's a plan for the wholesale destruction of the Israeli state. It's a non-starter. Try something else.Most observers believe that if Isreal would withdraw from every square inch of the west bank and give arabs equal rights within Isreal and acknowledge that the Arabs they drove out of Isreal in 1948, who still have the keys to their homes, had the right to return to their homes, then the big powers could guarantee the existance of Isreal within the 1968 borders. Done.
I see the UN as a major source of problems in the world.A lot of people thought the UN was just swell when it did exactly what the USA wanted but then all of those poor countries and Arab countries were admitted and the UN tends to ignore the USA on many issues. Most see the USA as the major source of problems in the world, not the source of solutions.
In some Jewish schools in Toronto they debate the constitution of Isreal. Article 1 Isreal is a democracy Article 2 Isreal is a Jewish state. The proposition is usually that article 1 and article 2 are incompatible. I agree. John Lennon was right in Imagine... "and no religion to". The world needs to abandon religion to prevent wars.Arab? Or Palestinian? I asked you to comment on why it was OK for Jordan and Egypt to unilaterally annex those territories as if they were their own. Nobody protested then. Why protest now?
In stating that, you seem to be asserting that the UN and its resolutions have some sort of relevance. I thought it was your opinion that the UN didn't care whether Israel existed, and, therefore, that the UN was completely irrelevant to this discussion?
That's a plan for the wholesale destruction of the Israeli state. It's a non-starter. Try something else.
I see the UN as a major source of problems in the world.
Instead of eliminating religion, we could just eliminate jihad. Problem solved.In some Jewish schools in Toronto they debate the constitution of Isreal. Article 1 Isreal is a democracy Article 2 Isreal is a Jewish state. The proposition is usually that article 1 and article 2 are incompatible. I agree. John Lennon was right in Imagine... "and no religion to". The world needs to abandon religion to prevent wars.
The word Jihad just means struggle. As long as the USA and other try to control Arab oil and nations from outside there will be Jihad. As long as Isreal acts as an imperialist on Arab land there will be Jihad. Is there a thinking person who does not think the Iraq war was about oil and the Afganistan war is about gas pipelines?Instead of eliminating religion, we could just eliminate jihad. Problem solved.
rubbish.. they just say that...yet in the middle of peace talks they start building again. There have been several peace initiatives including this one:Would you care to give an example of any time or date when the Palistinians or the Arabs surrounding Isreal have initiated peace talks ? The Isrealis have initiated several rounds of talks and yes Isreali security is the single biggest issue. It would have to be wouldn't it, the surrounding countries have declared the destruction of Isreal is priority. The settlements in a number of areas can be removed, Jerusalem is the capital of ISreal , as well as being the third most important Muslim holy site as well as a number of Christian sites, it needs serious negotiations efore anything is settled on that front.
The ISrealis will negotiate for peace and will give territory back if they have security guarentees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative
but of course you continue to pile nonsense upon rubbish.....really I suggest you try google. It's quite popular I hear.
I have actually heard about it and hey surprise I also use it , I also check the references that google provides prior to posting them . Some of them hey even wikipedia are biased, I assume that you know that.rubbish.. they just say that...yet in the middle of peace talks they start building again. There have been several peace initiatives including this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative
but of course you continue to pile nonsense upon rubbish.....really I suggest you try google. It's quite popular I hear.
The Arab Peace Initiative (Arabic Language: مبادرة السلام العربية) is a comprehensive peace initiative first proposed in 2002 at the Beirut Summit of the Arab League by then-Crown Prince, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and re-endorsed at the Riyadh Summit in 2007.[1] The initiative attempts to end the Arab-Israeli conflict, which means normalizing relations between the entire Arab region and Israel, in exchange for a complete withdrawal from the occupied territories (including East Jerusalem) and a "just settlement" of the Palestinian refugee crisis based on UN Resolution 194 (which calls for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict and resolves that any refugees "wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors" should be able to do so or if they otherwise wish to be provided with compensation).[2] The Initiative was initially overshadowed by the Passover Massacre, a major terrorist attack that took place on March 27, 2002 (the day before the Initiative was published) and that had been claimed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing.[3] The Arab League has since readopted the Initiative on several occasions, including during the 2007 summit.
The above has a couple of things the Isrealis will ahve a problem with , Jerusalem is one , and the living in peace and harmony part is another, there are no security guarantees in the document.
Regardless the Isreali govt is still considering it... but don't hold your breath any compromise will ahve to include Jerusalem as the capitol of Isreal and security.
Fuck you buddy. Many, many, of us like the government's stance on these issues. If you dislike the Country so much, get the fuck out and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.Any of them could have run for a seat if they wanted. Of course Portugal was more to their liking. The fact is Canada was REJECTED. Kicked to the kerb like the lying hoe of a country we are.
Oh ya, my country love it or leave it. We have seen this movie before. It ends with Americans clinging to helicopters on the roof of their embassy in Saigon. Isreal needs to make a massive number of concessions before Iran has the bomb as well or we are headed for a nuclear exchange in the middle east. Isreal is 100% of the problem there. Arabs, 0%.Fuck you buddy. Many, many, of us like the government's stance on these issues. If you dislike the Country so much, get the fuck out and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
I love this county, that is why I speak out when I see it acting on the side of injustice and oppression. If you don't like free speech I suggest YOU leave, after all it's part of this thing which we call THE CONSTITUTION... give it a read sometime.Fuck you buddy. Many, many, of us like the government's stance on these issues. If you dislike the Country so much, get the fuck out and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
So why is it you think Israel has a claim to Jerusalem? It was not part of the original UN resolution...in fact they annexed it (which is a polite term people use when you steal territory). You challenged me to show you any Arab peace initiatives...there you go. I suppose you think all the Israeli offers are so good they Palis are nuts to not grab them? lol....I have actually heard about it and hey surprise I also use it , I also check the references that google provides prior to posting them . Some of them hey even wikipedia are biased, I assume that you know that.
The Arab Peace Initiative (Arabic Language: مبادرة السلام العربية) is a comprehensive peace initiative first proposed in 2002 at the Beirut Summit of the Arab League by then-Crown Prince, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, and re-endorsed at the Riyadh Summit in 2007.[1] The initiative attempts to end the Arab-Israeli conflict, which means normalizing relations between the entire Arab region and Israel, in exchange for a complete withdrawal from the occupied territories (including East Jerusalem) and a "just settlement" of the Palestinian refugee crisis based on UN Resolution 194 (which calls for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict and resolves that any refugees "wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors" should be able to do so or if they otherwise wish to be provided with compensation).[2] The Initiative was initially overshadowed by the Passover Massacre, a major terrorist attack that took place on March 27, 2002 (the day before the Initiative was published) and that had been claimed by the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing.[3] The Arab League has since readopted the Initiative on several occasions, including during the 2007 summit.
The above has a couple of things the Isrealis will ahve a problem with , Jerusalem is one , and the living in peace and harmony part is another, there are no security guarantees in the document.
Regardless the Isreali govt is still considering it... but don't hold your breath any compromise will ahve to include Jerusalem as the capitol of Isreal and security.
Which is in no way relevant to the present discussion. Israel could be a dictatorship and it would still carry full rights to defend itself from military attack by Hamas.Article 1 Isreal is a democracy Article 2 Isreal is a Jewish state. The proposition is usually that article 1 and article 2 are incompatible.
You are once again fundamentally missing the point.
As to whether Israel can be a democracy and a Jewish state at the same time: It really depends on your conception of democracy. I would not want to live in a country with a state religion and that's why I choose to continue living in Canada, although I've had the opportunity to live in many places. However, others may disagree--certainly Americans for many years conceived of their nation as a Christian one, and the United Kingdom is commonly thought of as a democracy although it is formally a Christian state with a state religion. China has made religion illegal. Malaysia has made Islam its state religion. All those decisions appear popular with the populations of those countries.
I think we get things right here in Canada, and I think the British and the Israelis get it wrong, but that's just my opinion, and presumably the opinion of a lot of other Canadians. The Israelis and the British and the Chinese and the Malaysians are entitled to reach their own different conclusion, and do things differently in their country.
If one system worked for everyone in the entire world we would have one country worldwide. We have different countries precisely because people like to do things differently. The Israelis don't want to live the way the Arabs do, and the Arabs want an Islamic government. That's just one thing that separates them, presumably there are many others. Thus it seems sensible to have separate states, so they can do things in their separate ways.
I certainly don't agree with the Chinese system of government either, but that does not mean I go around asserting that China has no right to defend itself from attack.
I see no love from you. I see a love of terrorists and oppressive regimes that fly in the face of all this Country stands for.I love this county, that is why I speak out when I see it acting on the side of injustice and oppression. If you don't like free speech I suggest YOU leave, after all it's part of this thing which we call THE CONSTITUTION... give it a read sometime.
Riiiiigggghhht........ Hamas and their ilk have no fault. Smoke another bong buddy.Oh ya, my country love it or leave it. We have seen this movie before. It ends with Americans clinging to helicopters on the roof of their embassy in Saigon. Isreal needs to make a massive number of concessions before Iran has the bomb as well or we are headed for a nuclear exchange in the middle east. Isreal is 100% of the problem there. Arabs, 0%.
And fuck Iran. Let them try and we'll see Good Old Uncle Sam make the Middle East's largest sheet of glass. And good riddance too.Oh ya, my country love it or leave it. We have seen this movie before. It ends with Americans clinging to helicopters on the roof of their embassy in Saigon. Isreal needs to make a massive number of concessions before Iran has the bomb as well or we are headed for a nuclear exchange in the middle east. Isreal is 100% of the problem there. Arabs, 0%.
Good old Uncle Sam has been robbing the world blind for 150 years but it is twilight for that system. They cannot afford it, they are going broke on the rule the world by force system just like every empire before them has done. This is one reason the super patriots are so angry down there. Medicare for all is too expensive but endless war is fine, how dumb is that?And fuck Iran. Let them try and we'll see Good Old Uncle Sam make the Middle East's largest sheet of glass. And good riddance too.
