Harper should resign
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emerging44 said:
Clement is a damn decent guy. He is no longer the right wing ideologue that he once was. He is much more of a centralist and more of a pragmatic realist than he was in the past.
I doubt strongly that Baird would consider running for PM. Too many skeletons in his closet.
McKay would be the "natural" choice, although I think the Alliance/Reform side of the party would rather walk away than have a moderate with PC roots as the leader.
As someone has already pointed out, there is nothing in our constitution about the Party system or electing a Party to govern. Individuals are elected in ridings, and it is the collection of individuals that get together that shows the GG that there is a group that has the confidence of the House.
While parties elect Leaders in Canada, in GB, it is the MP's that do the electing. No party convention, no asking for democratic process, the MP and caucus gets to do the choosing.
It would be perfectly legal for the Conservative Party, or any party, to simply have caucus choose a leader and present that leader to the Crown.
Harper's initial error was giving three fromer cabinet members from the Mike Harris regime cabinet positions. He then compounded this error by making Guy Girono (former Harris COS) his Chief of Staff. The former provincial PC's are extremely partisan in thier views.
Many former Reformers were upset at Harper bringing in these former Harris supporters into key positions. Don't be surprised if the Alberta and BC MP's cut Harper's legs from underneath him.
It is difficult to understand how the Conservatives put themselves in this position. This mess is a direct result of the PMO controlling the total agenda with little or no input from the elected caucus. GB
Many former Reformers were upset at Harper bringing in these former Harris supporters into key positions. Don't be surprised if the Alberta and BC MP's cut Harper's legs from underneath him.
It is difficult to understand how the Conservatives put themselves in this position. This mess is a direct result of the PMO controlling the total agenda with little or no input from the elected caucus. GB
danmand said:
Please try to keep up with the group.
POT are the Pissed Off Taxpayers and we are not going to take it anymore.
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As far as Harper resigning: Maybe he should choose not to run as leader in the next election, I'll leave that decision to those who could see themselves voting for him. But at this moment I think he does the best job articulating the argument against these left wing parties and should stay where he is. I don't mean it as an insult but I think he is a much better leader of the opposition then PM, since as PM I often found he still argued as if he was the opposition.
Well, I'm not happy to say it, but.......
I told you so!
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I don`t think a switch in Conservative Party leadership will resolve the problem. If parties do not merge, I think we will see an increasing number of minority and/or coalition governments.
I told you so!
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=209220
I don`t think a switch in Conservative Party leadership will resolve the problem. If parties do not merge, I think we will see an increasing number of minority and/or coalition governments.
great bear said:
It's difficult to understand and then you proceed to explain it ?
I agree with your explanation but of course the Liberals and NDP would have to admit then that this is 100% about having their allowance curtailed. They will spin this in some other way so as to not make this a matter of greed.
Bud Plug said:I told you so!
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=209220
I don`t think a switch in Conservative Party leadership will resolve the problem. If parties do not merge, I think we will see an increasing number of minority and/or coalition governments.
Ordinarily, I would agree with you. But with Dion as leader, the Liberals are damaged goods. Any Gaffe would doom them in an election with `other than Harper` as leader. If Harper resigns in favor of, say, Mckay, then the Liberals could begin acting as if they are putting Canada first by dealing with the largest minority party(while still holding a stranglehold over policy) and await their new leader(almost assuredly Ignatieff)
bbking said:
I would agree with you if they had run as a coalition. I expect the results would have been remakably different if they had run.
The fact remains at this time what platform are they going to attemp to govern with,
The green shift rejected by almost 80% of teh electorate
The NDP plat form rejected by 83% of teh electorate
The Bloc platform rejected by 92% of the electorate
Or are hey going to govern with a platform that they are making up now that the electorate has not seen or judged.
That is the problem and from my point of view a fatal one.
the question of a new leader will come up at a party review once this mess is settled.
Who will run if Harper resigns probably eveerybody but with the western power base and the tory voting system I would expect a western M.P. to win the leadership if there is one.
Who will run if Harper resigns probably eveerybody but with the western power base and the tory voting system I would expect a western M.P. to win the leadership if there is one.
You are mistaken. The parliamentary system does not directly elect its head of state or its government. It elects members of parliament who in turn determine who will form a government. Harper does not enjoy the confidence of the House of Commons. The coalition that is in the process of self-creation has a good shot at the job. This situation is not new in Canadian politics. It has happened before.Quaggitty said:
Quaggity is confusing the Canadian parliamentary system with the American system that directly elects its President through the electoral college. The President then appoints the government. This confusion is not surprising, given how we all have such high exposure to American media and in many cases only have limited time to understand the finer points of a system of government.
The country won't crumble, nor will our democratic institutions, if the coalition forms the government. It just means that we will have a new PM who is willing to work with other parties to pass legislation. Unfortunately, Harper has shown that he can not or will not do this. Harper must go, and the Sun, the National Post, and the Globe all recognize this.
train said:It's difficult to understand and then you proceed to explain it ?
I agree with your explanation but of course the Liberals and NDP would have to admit then that this is 100% about having their allowance curtailed. They will spin this in some other way so as to not make this a matter of greed.
Train: you should hear me try and explain the lipstick smears on my winkie to my wife.
it would be very interesting if the gg told the coalition that there options are to work with the govt or go to the polls what would their response be?
landscaper said:
After they collectively sh*t themselves they would all race to see who could be the first to say they were only kidding.
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Say Harper resigns. If the politician are thinking for the interest of the country can the Conservative party form a coalition with the Liberal party through this crisis and call an election later? Just a thought.
landscaper said:
They would point out that a majority of MP's representing a majority of Canadians have passed a motion of non confidence indicating that is impossible, and that a majority of MP's representing a majority of Canadians do not want another election.
The GG can do whatever she wants to in theory, but she is highly likely to follow historic precedent and not make up the law as she goes along.
