Handgun ban supported by majority of Canadians: Nanos survey

[poorboy]

And the surprise correlation between racists, NRA fans, and conspiracy theorists.

Still happy living in ignorance I see. The number of Asian descent shooters in Canada is HUGE! Can't really own a firearm in most Asian countries, so when they come here they go crazy, the same way they do with their cars. The number of minority shooters is significant, but since you've never stepped foot in a shooting range and don't actually know anything about the firearms industry, and don't care to do any research on the topic, you don't know.

There is no correlation between owning a gun and any of those things that you have mentioned.

There are however many religious people who are strong gun advocates who are also involved in the firearms industry. As an example, Bill Geissele, a professional engineer and all around nice guy who formerly worked in the rail industry and whose products are used by military, police, competitive shooters and normal people who own guns doesn't hide the fact he is a Christian. His sons are named Abraham and Moses. Geissele Automatics is his company.

Guns and religion go back a long ways. John Moses Browning, one of the most influential and prolific gun designers in the world was a Mormon.

 

[Frankfooter]

weapons used by gangs& murderers are almost always brought illegally from the USA

Not these days.

Illegal guns sourced in Canada surge compared to those smuggled from U.S

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/guns-domestic-danforth-shooting-toronto-1.4759159

 

[glamphotographer]

I say go for it. What’s next, a hoodie ban?

Yes of course, you never know when a hooded person is a suspect in the next Toronto shooting.

 

[poorboy]

Not these days.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/guns-domestic-danforth-shooting-toronto-1.4759159

Because you missed or ignored it the first time.

The most recent quote about 50% domestically sourced is based on the B.C. NWEST report, which says:

* 783 guns in the study were submitted for tracing
* of that 783, 229 were successfully traced (29.2%)
* of that 229 that were successfully traced, 114 were domestically sourced (15% of 783)

Non Firearms Act firearms (counted in the study) includes firearms stolen from police or military, as well as whatever firearms were never registered (estimates as high as 21 million guns in Canada, vs the peak of near 8 million registered firearms).

We live beside a country that has somewhere between 300 and 400 million guns in the hands of private citizens. Someone thinking that banning handguns owned by law abiding people is delusional as criminals have such easy access to them.

 

[SWP]

I say go for it. What’s next, a hoodie ban?

They did in my High School.

 

[onthebottom]

And the surprise correlation between racists, NRA fans, and conspiracy theorists.

What % of murders are committed by NRA members?

 

[cunning linguist]

Not these days.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/guns-domestic-danforth-shooting-toronto-1.4759159

Fake news.

 

[TheDr]

Personally I would have gone one step further and requested overall numbers for 'gun crime' bearing in mind these figures from TPS include something as simple as a legitimate firearm being stolen from the legitimate owner...

 

[hamermill]

They did in my High School.

What are black kids wearing after that?

 

[oldjones]

What % of murders are committed by NRA members?

Why not ask them? This is a Canadian Pooners Board, asking here is pointless.

What any number of American statistical reports that consider the issue will tell you is that the significant majority of gun deaths involve legally purchased and owned weapons. But I don't think many researchers have had the opportunity to compare them with the NRA's unpublished membership lists.

As with humans everywhere: If you have a purpose you use the tool available, if you have no purpose accidents will still happen.

 

[GameBoy27]

Toronto police said most gun crimes were committed by legal guns that had been stolen or sold.

When you say "Toronto Police said" you mean it was one officer who claimed "most gun crimes were committed by legal guns that had been stolen or sold."

Because you missed or ignored it the first time.

The most recent quote about 50% domestically sourced is based on the B.C. NWEST report, which says:

* 783 guns in the study were submitted for tracing
* of that 783, 229 were successfully traced (29.2%)
* of that 229 that were successfully traced, 114 were domestically sourced (15% of 783)

Non Firearms Act firearms (counted in the study) includes firearms stolen from police or military, as well as whatever firearms were never registered (estimates as high as 21 million guns in Canada, vs the peak of near 8 million registered firearms).

We live beside a country that has somewhere between 300 and 400 million guns in the hands of private citizens. Someone thinking that banning handguns owned by law abiding people is delusional as criminals have such easy access to them.

Thanks for posting. I knew it was a false statement. Police will often make these types of claims (especially union heads) in order to increase jobs.

I will also add that a when a legally purchased gun is turned in to Police (when the gun owner dies and their spouse turns it in for example) it counts as a "domestically sourced" handgun. Who knows, that person could turn in many of them.

Personally I would have gone one step further and requested overall numbers for 'gun crime' bearing in mind these figures from TPS include something as simple as a legitimate firearm being stolen from the legitimate owner...

Wow, big surge eh?

 

[Nathan 88]

I want to get a handgun. But what I’m going to do is wait until they ban them and then I’ll get one.

 

[Frankfooter]

Because you missed or ignored it the first time.

The most recent quote about 50% domestically sourced is based on the B.C. NWEST report, which says:

* 783 guns in the study were submitted for tracing
* of that 783, 229 were successfully traced (29.2%)
* of that 229 that were successfully traced, 114 were domestically sourced (15% of 783)

Non Firearms Act firearms (counted in the study) includes firearms stolen from police or military, as well as whatever firearms were never registered (estimates as high as 21 million guns in Canada, vs the peak of near 8 million registered firearms).

We live beside a country that has somewhere between 300 and 400 million guns in the hands of private citizens. Someone thinking that banning handguns owned by law abiding people is delusional as criminals have such easy access to them.

Toronto police said most, if that is 50% nationally then those numbers aren't that far off nationally and its still worth considering.
This would be banning handguns, which are only useful for shooting people.

 

[Frankfooter]

When you say "Toronto Police said" you mean it was one officer who claimed "most gun crimes were committed by legal guns that had been stolen or sold."

One officer who is allowed to speak for the police.

From the article:

Before 2012, about 75 per cent of the firearms were trafficked from the United States. By 2017, however, about half originated from domestic sources, putting an end to the idea that most of Canada's illegal guns come from across the border, Det. Rob Di Danieli of the guns and gangs unit said.

 

[poorboy]

Toronto police said most, if that is 50% nationally then those numbers aren't that far off nationally and its still worth considering.
This would be banning handguns, which are only useful for shooting people.

Another ignorant guy who has never stepped foot on a shooting range and has probably never held a handgun. Better call the Olympic committee and tell them that handguns only have one use. I'm sure they'll get rid of their pistol shooting category that they've had since 1900 based on your opinion. You're too late for the 2018 Olympics though, but that means you've got 4 years to educate them.


Better tell all those IPSC shooters who shoot internationally in 108 regions with pistols that are specifically tuned for rapid target shooting that their pistol is only good for shooting people. I'm sure that worldwide organization which is popular in Canada, and has been around since 1976 will shut down once they find out that they've been misusing their firearms.

Then there's the USPSA, IDPA, Bianchi cup, PPC, Bullseye, etc.


Yep. Only useful for shooting people.


Di Danieli's comments were based on the NWest report. Di Danieli also believes that "many Canadians are getting licenses to specifically become traffickers."

I'm sure there are many Canadians out there with no criminal record who are looking to get into the world of crime by taking a mandatory course to get certified, then submit paperwork for a comprehensive background check so that they can get a license that allows the government to run them on a daily basis if they buy a firearm. If they buy a restricted firearm, then they're willing to allow that firearm to be registered to them so it can be traced back to them. I'm sure there are loads of people willing to do that so they can hand the firearm off to someone to commit a crime. Who wouldn't be willing to do all that?

Do some research. Enlighten yourself.

 

[basketcase]

Still happy living in ignorance I see. The number of Asian descent shooters in Canada is HUGE! ....

What does that have to do with heyhey's posting about Muslims? (I wonder if he picked the initials of his handle intentionally)

And I have been on a range and tried both handguns and rifles (a former friend was an antique rifle collector) and have gone on many hunting trips (usually just drinking and eating though) but I never found shooting enjoyable enough to spend my time doing it. More significantly, I realize shooting is a HOBBY and not a necessity for the vast, vast majority of people.

I have no issue with guns being legal. I just find the risks involved justify safety regulations.

 

[basketcase]

What % of murders are committed by NRA members?

What percentage of murders in Canada or the US are committed by Muslims (which is what HH was talking about)? It will be less than the number of accidental shootings by NRA members.

 

[basketcase]

What are black kids wearing after that?

Considering the Gap has been selling hoodies for 20 years.....

 

[poorboy]

What does that have to do with heyhey's posting about Muslims? (I wonder if he picked the initials of his handle intentionally)

And I have been on a range and tried both handguns and rifles (a former friend was an antique rifle collector) and have gone on many hunting trips (usually just drinking and eating though) but I never found shooting enjoyable enough to spend my time doing it. More significantly, I realize shooting is a HOBBY and not a necessity for the vast, vast majority of people.

I have no issue with guns being legal. I just find the risks involved justify safety regulations.

There are plenty of safety regulations. No need for more.


Problem is people committing crimes or are involved in accidents don't follow them.


The number of accidental shootings in Canada is quite low compared to the U.S. In Canada, you are not allowed to store a firearm loaded. Non restricted, it has to be locked, disabled or locked up. If it is restricted, it must be double locked or disabled and locked up.

As far as criminals go, doesn't matter how many rules there are.

 

[Frankfooter]

Another ignorant guy who has never stepped foot on a shooting range and has probably never held a handgun.

Well, you sure showed me.
Target shooting, yes, a very useful reason to have handguns.
Or not.

You could always stick with paintball.