Hand sanitizer vs STD?

[fuji]

There's a thread in another section about a guy whose condom broke. In situations like this, or after BBBJ, or other unsafe contact, does anyone have any information about whether a male applying hand sanitizer to genitals after unsafe contact cuts the risk of infection in any way?

The hand sanitizer is going to be external obviously and not get into the urethra beyond the tip, so if infection 99% occurs that way this isn't going to do any good. However if infection happens on the skin surfaces I can imagine this helping a little.

Thoughts?

I did some googling but nothing came up. If it does help, then it seems like carrying a pocket bottle of hand sanitizer might be good for emergencies, even though I can tell you applying it sometimes hurts like a motherfucker. Still, if it improves the odds of being healthy, better 5 seconds of pain than a lifetime of itchiness or worse.

 

[Sexy Violet]

if you are trying to prevent something with hand sanitizer on your genitals you can get the same effect with soap and water without the pain. Bottom line: if you have been in contact with the hazard, and it got into a cut on your skin and into your mucous membranes or bloodstream, no amount of hand sanitizer will help. I would suggest that you save yourself the pain and potential damage to your unit and just avoid it.

 

[Jade4u]

Clean up after as well as urinate could help but nothing is totally guaraneed.

 

[fuji]

Plainly nothing is guaranteed, better not to be in that situation. However, if you play in this industry, it's inevitable that you'll have some "oops" moments, alternately some people routinely go for BBBJ and other somewhat unsafe things. So what to do when you ARE in that situation, to lower your risk?

From what I have read on google:

Soap and water: Essentially removes things from your skin, but does not kill bacteria. It works by literally washing things away. You can't be infected by something that is no longer in contact with you, so this is fairly effective.

Anti-microbial soap and water: Same as soap, but with the addition of agents that also kill any bacteria it comes in contact with PROVIDED that it is applied for at least 30-40 seconds (long enough to do the killing).

Hand sanitizer: Unlike soap does not remove anything from your skin, but alcohol is highly effective as a microbial, and can destroy proteins thereby killing bacteria and viruses that it comes in contact with. However since it doesn't wash anything away, anything that survives the alcohol will still be in contact with your skin.

So I think if you are in a panic situation (ie: condom broke) the best course of action is some combination of the two. Use soap to wash as much away as possible, and alcohol to kill anything that is left.

Neither of the above help for things that have got inside you. Urinate to wash out anything you can as well is probably a good idea. Wish there there was more you could do on that side.

I am not any kind of medical professional though, just j-random-guy, if anyone with a medical background would care to comment that'd be great.

 

[Gyaos]

Hand sanitizer: Unlike soap does not remove anything from your skin, but alcohol is highly effective as a microbial, and can destroy proteins thereby killing bacteria and viruses that it comes in contact with. However since it doesn't wash anything away, anything that survives the alcohol will still be in contact with your skin.

There are also an alcohol wipes, which I carry always in a first aid kit and in a travel pack. For those who pring condoms, it's handy to have this in a pocket or two. You can bet a box of them at a local pharmacy, Walgreens, CVS, whatever they are called, etc. Carry 2 or 10 from a box of 50 - 100. Consider these are used before a Doctor gives you a shot. Wouldn't want to get an blood test before one of these are used. Stick it in your wee-wee hole and you'll be jumping (the wipe, not the syringe)!

Best defence is to not have your condom break at all. Check often if you have to. Wear two (one inside the other) if you're than nervous. Get good latex condoms, like Trojan (brand name).

Gyaos.

 

[Sexy Violet]

It doesn't really matter if it's antibacterial soap or not as long as you are washing properly. Soap is soap. If you have more peace of mind on spending the extra money to have 'antibacterial' soap, then by all means. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1213399&page=1


Some things to consider: if you are using latex condoms and receiving a cbj, change condoms before intercourse. Oils in lipsticks and lipgloss will degrade the condom at a microscopic level that you cannot detect by looking at it, but STD's and STI's can get through. Never use oil based lubricants on latex condoms. NEVER. If you are massaged or are massaging the girl with oil and then are going for intercourse, both of you take a shower first, otheriwse the oils left on your skin might get transferred by your hands or her hands etc and may degrade the condom.

Make sure you are putting the condom on properly. The reason condoms break is mostly when they are put on wrong. Either an incorrect fit or without pinching the tip of the condom before rolling it down the shaft. Take the extra second to put it on properly.

also, DO NOT use 2 condoms to feel safer!!! NEVER! Using two condoms at the same time is not recommended for either safer sex or pregnancy prevention. In fact, "double-bagging" can increase the friction between the condoms during intercourse, making them more likely to rip or tear.

Bottom line, play safe and if emergencies happen, go wash up and get tested.


xo Violet

p.s. I reccommend polyeurothane condoms like Avanti's because they are thinner and stronger than latex condoms, and they also transfer body heat, unlike latex. It is also safe to use oil based lubricants on non-latex condoms. That, and I am allergic to latex, so it's a lot more comfortable this way

 

[DoingWhatIDoBest]

There's a thread in another section about a guy whose condom broke. In situations like this, or after BBBJ, or other unsafe contact, does anyone have any information about whether a male applying hand sanitizer to genitals after unsafe contact cuts the risk of infection in any way?

The hand sanitizer is going to be external obviously and not get into the urethra beyond the tip, so if infection 99% occurs that way this isn't going to do any good. However if infection happens on the skin surfaces I can imagine this helping a little.

Thoughts?

I did some googling but nothing came up. If it does help, then it seems like carrying a pocket bottle of hand sanitizer might be good for emergencies, even though I can tell you applying it sometimes hurts like a motherfucker. Still, if it improves the odds of being healthy, better 5 seconds of pain than a lifetime of itchiness or worse.

try rubbing alcohol

 

[fuji]

try rubbing alcohol

My understanding is that the 60-90% alcohol range is actually more effective than 100% because a lot of proteins only denature in the presence of water.

 

[DoingWhatIDoBest]

My understanding is that the 60-90% alcohol range is actually more effective than 100% because a lot of proteins only denature in the presence of water.

and this is coming from the guy who thinks hand sanitizer will help if the condom breaks to help kill any potential exposure to STD's....You majored in Chemistry? I'm guessing not but good luck with that. Actually no percentage is recommended but we are talking about STD's and if you are looking for an emergency, rubbing alcohol can be recommended. People wanting to help keeping the risk of exposure to any potential STD should just practice safe. Applying anything like alcohol, creams, excessive washing is not going to be an alternative. If you are practicing safe and it fails, then use the alcohol. If someone chooses to engage in unsafe practices don't expect anything to keep you safe, not even rubbing alcohol. It's a numbers game.

 

[Gyaos]

also, DO NOT use 2 condoms to feel safer!!! NEVER! Using two condoms at the same time is not recommended for either safer sex or pregnancy prevention. In fact, "double-bagging" can increase the friction between the condoms during intercourse, making them more likely to rip or tear.

That's actually opinionated and not medically proven. I have read many website FAQs that state what you wrote, but they continue to follow up that it is only opinionated in which they don't know. They deduce average sexual continual rubbing (like for 7 hours+ on average), not necessarily just 15 minutes of fucking or less. Then they base that average with the probability of rupture, hense they vote against the practice. They'll say the same to the question "should I use the same condom if I fuck for 15 hours straight"?

I find 2 condoms rather kinky and damn safe, especially for a 5 minute soft fuck. It gave me a mountainous hard-on, wearing an impenitrable blanket with all reasonable safety and care.

Gyaos Baltar.

 

[fuji]

If someone chooses to engage in unsafe practices don't expect anything to keep you safe, not even rubbing alcohol. It's a numbers game.

You simply have your facts wrong on rubbing alcohol. Hand sanitizer, which is the same thing as rubbing alcohol essentially, has the water/alcohol ratio optimized for killing microbes.

The suggestion from the other poster about benzyl ammonium chloride was a better one, it seems to be a more effective microbial than any of the alcohol based solutions.

So my opinion now is that the recommended course of action in an "oops" situation is (1) wash with soap and water, (2) apply a benzyl ammonium chloride disinfectant wipe to the area.

 

[fuji]

getting at the bugs before they get a foothold into your skin.

Yeah. Once the virus has penetrated into some cells, it's a done deal, you're infected. Anyone know how long that takes? Obviously it could be "instant", but what is an average expectation? There must be some sort of curve, after so many minutes of contact your chance of infection rises by what?