So ... tell us how you really feel about Rogers.
I am not a much of a fan of Rogers myself, but if their customers keep paying for the service provided why do you blame Rogers ?
Halladay in Philadelphia Negotiating Contract Extension
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I am not a much of a fan of Rogers myself, but if their customers keep paying for the service provided why do you blame Rogers ?
I think the Phillies should have kept Cliff Lee instead of sending him to Mariners.
When you have a chance to compete for a World Series with rotation of Halladay, Lee, Happ, Hamels, Blanton you should keep it together and go for it. Not very often a window of opportunity like that comes up.
When you have a chance to compete for a World Series with rotation of Halladay, Lee, Happ, Hamels, Blanton you should keep it together and go for it. Not very often a window of opportunity like that comes up.
All 3 prospects the Jays are supposed to get in this deal are straight out of the Phillies system ie Drabek, D'Arnaud, Taylor. So that means the Cliff Lee deal is separate and on its' own.
Yes, but Lee is not a 9 inning pitcher and can only take the mound every 5th day. Halladay can go the distance and answer the bell on the 4th day if needed.
All the best to Doc. The next 4 years will make him a HOFamer.
I was hoping the Jays would get Wallace in the 2008 MLB draft.
Instead St. Louis took him a few picks before at #13 while Jays got stuck with David Cooper at #17.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_MLB_Draft
I like Michael Taylor better as a prospect. Big, strong outfielder who can hit for average and power.
Jays need a decent 3rd base prospect though; so, Wallace may work out.
He's got some power too which is nice to have in a corner infield position.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=477165
Instead St. Louis took him a few picks before at #13 while Jays got stuck with David Cooper at #17.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_MLB_Draft
I like Michael Taylor better as a prospect. Big, strong outfielder who can hit for average and power.
Jays need a decent 3rd base prospect though; so, Wallace may work out.
He's got some power too which is nice to have in a corner infield position.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=477165
Lee didn't want to stay. That's the point. He'll be a free agent at the end of 2010 and wants to test the market. He doesn't want to be tied down. Seattle will take him for a year and be happy with that. The Phillies are desperate for an ace and Roy was their first choice anyway. He's also willing to sign a multi year deal and both sides are happy.
I hate seeing him go. Just hate it.
Lee's agent today says his client's position has been misrepresented in the media:
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"All I can say is, Cliff really enjoyed Philadelphia," Braunecker said. "Since the end of the postseason, his intent was to remain there beyond next season. That's been the goal. Unfortunately, some circumstances transpired that we couldn't control."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4745103
Lee was happy to spend his "platform year" before unrestricted free agency in Philly. Just saying getting to use his services for a whole year and then get a round 1 and 1A draft compensation for him in 2011 after he leaves is pretty good in my books.
A lot of baseball fans in Philly are saying the exact same thing. Halladay and Lee in same pitching rotation would put Phillies in a really good position for a World Series run in 2010.
BTW, 'Don Draper' - great user ID name.
the jays got 3 great prospect for david cone...whatever happened to marty janzen ? There is a fine line between prospect and blue chippers
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Every year doc's performance goes in the crapper at the end of the season .... in case you haven't noticed, that's when the postseason is. That was my point. He's NEVER pitched in the postseason and has pitched poorly at the end of the season.
I just looked at his splits, I wasn't exactly correct. He struggles in August, IMO his worst month, 20-17 3.96 ERA. He has a worse ERA in April at 4.13 but 4 more wins and 2 SO. He has no SO in Aug.
Sept/Oct he is 23-11 2.35 ERA with 6 SO, his best month for ERA & SO. Maybe he won't be so bad in the playoffs after all.
Keeping in mind that Hamels was like Lee in 2008 and how he struggled in 2009, same could happen to Lee in 2010. I do like the idea of Doc mentoring Hamels and the rest of the Phil's pitchers, that can only help. If Hamel's returns to form he and doc would be just fine as a 1-2 punch.
I guess I'm warming up to the trade but will reserve final judgment until the final names are released.
The problem with Lee was that he doesn't pitch on 4 days rest. His stats in the playoffs with the Phillies were great, but when they needed him to pitch on short rest, either they thought he couldn't do it, or he said he couldn't. They had no reason to keep him for a game 7, they needed him to pitch that game 6.
Halladay can pitch on 4 days rest very easily. The Phils may have beaten the Yanks with Halladay. I can't wait to see him pitch in the National League, i see easily 20 wins for him, if not more.
Halladay can pitch on 4 days rest very easily. The Phils may have beaten the Yanks with Halladay. I can't wait to see him pitch in the National League, i see easily 20 wins for him, if not more.
Billy Beane and A's staff want to trade Brett Wallace to Toronto for Michael Taylor because they've come to the conclusion that Wallace will never be able to field 3rd base at the major league level. They think his fielding is okay for 1st base but not the hot corner.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/15/SPDD1B4SG1.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/15/SPDD1B4SG1.DTL
so basically jays are already downgrading the prospect they acquired? is that what you're trying to say base on the numbers.
Wallace is a pretty good hitting prospect.
Just saying Oakland concluded the only field position he can play is first base because he has a chunky, unathletic build.
Guess you have to wait a couple of years to get an idea who is right, Billy Beane or AA.
Personally I'd rather have Michael Taylor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5r1Ck3wIuc&feature=related
aren't we finished with this money ball bull shit. Why the fuck are taking another money ball player, i don't want to see a fucking guy drawing a walk or trying to hit the gap. base on the article i've read i prefer michael taylor as well.
The Doc is in a much much better place than before. Best of luck to him as he continues his HOF career. Wouldn't it be ironical if the Phils and the Jays meetin the WS in 2012?
Did someone say that Brett Wallace could be a good hitting 1B man? The Jays could use a 1B man who can hit. Did someone say that Brett is chunky? Kirby Puckett was also chunky.
Did someone say that Brett Wallace could be a good hitting 1B man? The Jays could use a 1B man who can hit. Did someone say that Brett is chunky? Kirby Puckett was also chunky.
If Lind is at first then where is Ruiz? I would guess DH.
IMHO they would be best off keeping Lind at DH and letting Ruiz have a go at first.
I read where one scout called Brett Wallace 'a good athlete in a bad body'.
Here's what a couple of other scouts have said about Brett Wallace:
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Keith Law:
"Wallace was the best pure hitter in this year’s draft, but fell to the Cardinals due to questions about his ultimate position. He’s playing third base right now, and the Cardinals intend to keep him there until he plays himself off it; he has plenty of arm and is fine on balls in front of him, but lacks lateral range … severely. Still, his bat is so special that if he can improve to just a win below average at third, he’ll be a star. He makes hitting look easy — he hits lefties (.387/.479/.484 in 62 at bats last year) and righties, all pitches, all areas of the zone, whatever’s thrown at him — and has pull power to right and doubles power the other way. Sure, his body type is unusual for a pro baseball player — he has enormous thighs, but it’s muscle, not fat, and emphasizing that only detracts attention from what really matters: Brett Wallace will hit."
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Jim Callis, Baseball America
"I give Brett Wallace next to no chance of playing anywhere but first base, and that was a problem for the Cardinals. He was less valuable to them than he is to the A’s, who need a first baseman and can put him at DH.
I think he’d have to be more than just decent, because no one I’ve talked to really think he’s going to be a pro third baseman. The bigger key for Wallace, who’s going to be a first baseman, is power. No one questions his pure hitting ability, but they’d like to see more pop."
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http://mopupduty.com/index.php/prospect-porn/
http://cubs.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=2&c=929362
Here's what a couple of other scouts have said about Brett Wallace:
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Keith Law:
"Wallace was the best pure hitter in this year’s draft, but fell to the Cardinals due to questions about his ultimate position. He’s playing third base right now, and the Cardinals intend to keep him there until he plays himself off it; he has plenty of arm and is fine on balls in front of him, but lacks lateral range … severely. Still, his bat is so special that if he can improve to just a win below average at third, he’ll be a star. He makes hitting look easy — he hits lefties (.387/.479/.484 in 62 at bats last year) and righties, all pitches, all areas of the zone, whatever’s thrown at him — and has pull power to right and doubles power the other way. Sure, his body type is unusual for a pro baseball player — he has enormous thighs, but it’s muscle, not fat, and emphasizing that only detracts attention from what really matters: Brett Wallace will hit."
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Jim Callis, Baseball America
"I give Brett Wallace next to no chance of playing anywhere but first base, and that was a problem for the Cardinals. He was less valuable to them than he is to the A’s, who need a first baseman and can put him at DH.
I think he’d have to be more than just decent, because no one I’ve talked to really think he’s going to be a pro third baseman. The bigger key for Wallace, who’s going to be a first baseman, is power. No one questions his pure hitting ability, but they’d like to see more pop."
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http://mopupduty.com/index.php/prospect-porn/
http://cubs.scout.com/a.z?s=260&p=2&c=929362
Since Jays have neither a real major league 1B nor 3B, it really doesn't matter, does it?
They've been thinking about moving Adam Lind over to first base, a position he played in college.
