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Kilgore Trout

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According to Sportsnet, Roy Halladay has checked into a Philadelphia hotel while he and his representatives negotiate a contract extension before concluding a 3 way trade involving Blue Jays, Phillies, and Seattle Mariners.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2009/12/14/phillies_halladay_rumour/

Philly source says Halladay is part of a proposed 3 team deal that would send Halladay to Philly, Cliff Lee to Seattle, and unknown player(s) back to Toronto.
Halladay may take a physical with Philly team doctors as soon as tonight.

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=103216&feedID=729
 

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Interesting.

I hope we get some franchise players in return and Halladay gets his ring.
 

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Great for Halladay, I'm glad he finally has a real team to play with.

Can you imagine what his numbers will be in the NL if he stays healthy?
Everyone knows it's the much weaker league and he gets to pitch to pitchers,
and the Phillies are an offensive juggernaut, okay maybe not in the World Series.

Halladay might win 25 with a ERA of like 2.20.

Unfortunately the Jays will now win like 65 games, dammit.
 

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If the trade comes to fruition, good for Doc. Thanks for the memories. I hope he wins a championship or 2.


I think the prospects, rumoured to be Phil Aumont, and Dominic Brown, and possibly others, are better than the 2 draft picks the Jays would get if he walked at end of 2010.
 

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Assuming this is true...if they could go into the year with a rotation of Hamels/Lee/Halladay that would be beastly. But if Lee gets dealt and Hamels was awful last year, I don't know how much they actually improve! Lee was dominant in the playoffs last year, unchartered territory for Halladay, but then again it was for Lee this year too.
 

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If the trade comes to fruition, good for Doc. Thanks for the memories. I hope he wins a championship or 2.


I think the prospects, rumoured to be Phil Aumont, and Dominic Brown, and possibly others, are better than the 2 draft picks the Jays would get if he walked at end of 2010.
Wow I looked them up. They're a couple of years away at least.
 

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Wow I looked them up. They're a couple of years away at least.
That's the whole point. The Jays want blue chip prospects whose future they can control in-house and on the cheap for as long as possible. That means prospects who are ready when the team is supposedly ready. And they don't want Major League ready players because then the team loses years on their arbitration eligibility. Just like the NHL...

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Assuming this is true...if they could go into the year with a rotation of Hamels/Lee/Halladay that would be beastly. But if Lee gets dealt and Hamels was awful last year, I don't know how much they actually improve! Lee was dominant in the playoffs last year, unchartered territory for Halladay, but then again it was for Lee this year too.
Philly fans don't seem to understand this one either...

The problem is that Lee won't sign an extension. As a free agent after this season, he wants max money... no "home town team" discounts. But, Philly fits in with all of the criteria needed, by Halliday, in order, to bypass his no-trade clause. He is willing to agree to an extension (5 year, as the reports would suggest) and, now... Philly has their Ace guaranteed for a number of years.

But... the Jays eat some of his salary this year, and in return, get better prospects (from the Lee deal), including at least one from the Phillies. This last point is really irking Philly fans. They don't feel as if they should have to give up anything else from within their organization, in what they look at as a lateral move.

They would rather keep their cherished prospects... keep Lee this season... and hope that they can sign him... or Halliday after the season. At worst, they feel as if they'll keep their prospects/players (who they think are close to being Major League ready)... gain two draft picks for losing Lee... and sign another pitcher in free agency.

And yes... they feel this way... even knowing that Halliday is a stud.

On another note... Yankee fans are happy (knowing he's not going to the Sox or Angels).

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I get the feeling that Aumont is going to have to take a year off in near future because I've got a feeling he's going to need Tommy John surgery before too long.

Since he's been drafted in 2007 he's been plagued with chronic soreness in his pitching elbow. That's why he was limited to only 50 or so innings this past season and relocated to the bullpen in minor league ball. His asset value has declined a bit due to questions regarding health and strength of his arm.

He's still projected as a front of the rotation starter if he can get past his elbow problems.
 

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atleast halladay was traded to my NL team....as for the blue jays
fuck rogers (cheap asshole that gauge all their customers for everything), fuck beeston (you think being around toronto forever would have better insight as to how the fans feels), and fuck the new GM (why the fuck do we have another rookie gm that thinks his New ways would actually improve the team...and to ricciardi i hope he dies in a tragic accident
 

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I get the feeling that Aumont is going to have to take a year off in near future because I've got a feeling he's going to need Tommy John surgery before too long.

Since he's been drafted in 2007 he's been plagued with chronic soreness in his pitching elbow. That's why he was limited to only 50 or so innings this past season and relocated to the bullpen in minor league ball. His asset value has declined a bit due to questions regarding health and strength of his arm.

He's still projected as a front of the rotation starter if he can get past his elbow problems.
thats fantastic news then i guess all those new scouts are really working out for the blue jays
 

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Bob Elliott from Toronto Sun has twittered that Aumont is going to the Phillies in this deal, not the Blue Jays and CSNPhilly is reporting that once Halladay signs an extension, Kyle Drabek, outfielder Michael Taylor, and catching prospect Travis D'Arnaud would head to Toronto.
http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=302350

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Bob Elliott article:

Tenacious as a pit bull, Ruben Amaro kept trying.

The Philadelphia Phillies general manager wanted Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay at the July 31 trade deadline. He tried, but was unable to work out a deal with then-GM J.P. Ricciardi.

So, instead, he dealt for Cliff Lee and reached the World Series as a rookie GM.

And while the Los Angeles Angels spent most of the winter meetings with the lobby lead to acquire Halladay, Amaro worked out a three-team deal in which he finally acquires Halladay and sends Lee to Seattle.

Halladay and agent Greg Landry were in Philadelphia yesterday to work out a three-year contract extension on his $15.75 million US deal, of which the Jays will pay a portion.

We are in that “window” period, as Phillies management tries to work out a deal while the Jays brain trust has gone to the mattresses with a “news blackout.”

If Landry works out a three-year extension, Halladay will have a physical, waive his no-trade clause and join the Phillies.

Come spring, he’ll leave his Oldsmar, Fla., home, cross Hwy. 19 and turn left for Clearwater, rather than turning right for Dunedin.

Who do the Jays wind up with? Prospects.

In other words, no one just now to replace Halladay’s, or B.J. Ryan’s three-storey picture alongside of the Rogers Centre.

Phillippe Aumont, the Mariners’ former No. 1 pick from Gatineau, Que., has been mentioned in various reports as being Toronto bound. We hear he’s not in the deal.

Aumont thrilled 42,314 Rogers Centre fans at the World Baseball Classic. Coming on to face Team USA in the eighth, he allowed a double to Dustin Pedroia, the 2008 American League MVP and Jimmy Rollins, a former NL MVP, to reach on an infield hit. Aumont threw a wild pitch before eventually walking Chipper Jones.

Bases loaded. None out.

Aumont got David Wright to line out, struck out Kevin Youkilis and fanned Curtis Granderson on a 2-2 curveball.

This season, Aumont did not thrill M’s fans when after the right-hander blew a save he punched a wall with his left hand and broke a bone in his hand, a la Randy Johnson.

So, who do the Jays wind up with?

Possibly the Phillies could move right-hander Kyle Drabek, 21, who was 12-3, with a 3.19 ERA at single-A Clearwater and double-A Reading. The Phillies refused to move Drabek at the July 31 trade deadline.

Also from the Phillies is catching prospect Travis d’Arnaud, 20, who hit .255 with 13 homers and 71 RBIs in 126 games at class-A Lakewood or possibly outfielder Michael Taylor, 23, who hit .327 with 20 homers and 84 RBIs at Reading and triple-A Lehigh Valley.

Outfielder Michael Saunders, 22, of Victoria, B.C. who hit .310 with 13 homers and 32 homers at triple-A Tacoma, and .221 with four RBIs in 46 games with the M’s, could be in the deal from the Seattle end, as well as either speedy outfielder Tyson Gillies, 20 of Langley, B.C. or right-hander Brandon Morrow.

Morrow, 24, was 2-4, with a 4.29 ERA, while Gillies hit .341, with nine homers and 42 RBIs at single-A High Desert, with 44 steals.

It’s wrong to blame Halladay for asking out. Twice he signed back-end loaded extensions with the Jays to stay here after Ricciardi promised him he’d produce a winner by bringing in high-priced free agents in A.J. Burnett and Ryan, while dealing for third baseman Troy Glaus.

The Jays need for prospects in moving Halladay is due to the fact that in eight years under Ricciardi, the best that the farm system produced when it came to everyday players and top-of-the-rotation starters were second baseman Aaron Hill, lefty Ricky Romero and slugger Adam Lind.

A deal for Drabek, Gillies and d’Arnaud would be a good one.

Anything less for Halladay?

Not so good.

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http://www.torontosun.com/sports/baseball/2009/12/14/12155436.html
 

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Here are profiles of 3 players reported coming to Toronto:

Kyle Drabek:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475138

Travis D'Arnaud:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=518595

Michael Taylor:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446345

For a building team looks like a good trade. Much better than getting 2 compensation picks in 2011 draft.
Jays would also have to pay something like $6 million of Halladay's salary this year to make trade work under Phillies budget for next year.

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Philadelphia article:
http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=103216&feedID=729
 

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If Doc goes so will the Jays ,right down the crapper! Think attendance was off this year? wait til 2010.
 

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some of you guys really crack me up. we have the "sky is falling" brigade here, who without even knowing who the jays are getting back, are predicting the end of the world for the jays. let's sit back and see who we officially get before sounding the alarms. if it is taylor, d'arnaud and drabek, then i suggest the jays made out very well, essentially for a guy who would be leaving at the end of the year anyways.

for those of you throwing out the attendance baloney, you do know that roy pitched every fourth day, so jay's fans had three days when they were at home where they had to show up without him on the mound. you also do remember that even with hentgen and clemens, it did not equate to a boost in attendance. the only thing that will help in that regard, is fielding a competitive team, one with a plan and a future, which this trade helps jumpstart.

as for roy, we need to thank him for the great years he gave us jay's fans! i am really pulling for halladay to get that world series ring in philly! truly, a classy, consumate professional! a real rare breed amongst the many selfish and greedy athletes that populate all sports today. go get that ring roy!

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some of you guys really crack me up. we have the "sky is falling" brigade here, who without even knowing who the jays are getting back, are predicting the end of the world for the jays. let's sit back and see who we officially get before sounding the alarms. if it is taylor, d'arnaud and drabek, then i suggest the jays made out very well, essentially for a guy who would be leaving at the end of the year anyways.

for those of you throwing out the attendance baloney, you do know that roy pitched every fourth day, so jay's fans had three days when they were at home where they had to show up without him on the mound. you also do remember that even with hentgen and clemens, it did not equate to a boost in attendance. the only thing that will help in that regard, is fielding a competitive team, one with a plan and a future, which this trade helps jumpstart.

as for roy, we need to thank him for the great years he gave us jay's fans! i am really pulling for halladay to get that world series ring in philly! truly, a classy, consumate professional! a real rare breed amongst the many selfish and greedy athletes that populate all sports today. go get that ring roy!

Plyrs99
You do know Jays were averaging 10k-15k fans last 2-3 month of the season. I don't really want to go to another 5 year plan with the new regime; specially after the spiel prior to last season they were going to make a run for the 2010 season.
 
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Assuming this is true...if they could go into the year with a rotation of Hamels/Lee/Halladay that would be beastly. But if Lee gets dealt and Hamels was awful last year, I don't know how much they actually improve! Lee was dominant in the playoffs last year, unchartered territory for Halladay, but then again it was for Lee this year too.
As a Phillies fan I'm not thrilled about the deal. Look at Doc's late season stats, not impressive at all. He's never been in the postseason and with his late season falloff not sure I want to. I'm hoping his lack of focus will be cured by the chance at a ring.

I'd rather see them keep Lee who excelled in the late and post seasons. Actually I'd love to see both of them but looks like that is not an option. One great thing about Doc is he might be able to mentor Hamels and help him get right. And Doc is supposedly giving a home team discount (Lee will not) to the Phils on the extension and even shortening it to 3 years....seems he really wants to go to Philly. He must like cheesesteaks, soft pretzels and scrapple.
 

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As a Phillies fan I'm not thrilled about the deal. Look at Doc's late season stats, not impressive at all. He's never been in the postseason and with his late season falloff not sure I want to. I'm hoping his lack of focus will be cured by the chance at a ring.

I'd rather see them keep Lee who excelled in the late and post seasons. Actually I'd love to see both of them but looks like that is not an option. One great thing about Doc is he might be able to mentor Hamels and help him get right. And Doc is supposedly giving a home team discount (Lee will not) to the Phils on the extension and even shortening it to 3 years....seems he really wants to go to Philly. He must like cheesesteaks, soft pretzels and scrapple.
you're comparing halladay american league east stats compare to Cliff Lee?
Hallaway every year its in the top 5 in voting inspite facing yankees, red sox and rays and even orioles offense.
 
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