Guardian Angels Thread II

Homer: You better have a good reason for doing that, boy.
Jimbo: It makes me feel like a big man.
Homer: Let me check my reason list. ...Yep! It's on here.
Jimbo: Hey! You're that drunken posse. Wow...can I join ya?
Homer: [skeptical] I don't know...can you swing a sack of door knobs?
Jimbo: _Can_ I?
Homer: You're in! Here's the sack.
Moe: But you gotta supply your own knobs.
 
That night at dinner, Homer relates his antics to the rest of the
family.

Homer: So I said to him, "Look, buddy, your car was upside down when we
got here. And as for your Grandma, she shouldn't have mouthed
off like that!"
Lisa: Dad, don't you see you're abusing your power like all vigilantes?
I mean, if you're the police, who will police the police?
Homer: I dunno. Coast Guard?
-- You scratch my back..., "Homer the Vigilante"

Marge: Homer, wasn't the whole point to catch the Cat Burglar?
Lisa: And I still don't have my saxophone.
Homer: Lisa, the mob is working on getting your saxophone back. But
we've also expanded into other important areas. [reads a list]
Literacy programs, preserving our beloved covered bridges, world
domination --
Lisa: World domination?
Homer: Oh ho, heh, that might be a typo.
[thinks] Mental note: the girl knows too much.
-- Precocious eight-year-olds, "Homer the Vigilante"

Homer is invited to be a guest on Smartline. Kent Brockman interviews
him.

Kent: Mr. Simpson, how do you respond to the charges that petty
vandalism such as graffiti is down eighty percent, while heavy
sack-beatings are up a shocking nine hundred percent?
Homer: Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent.
Forfty percent of all people know that.
Kent: I see. Well, what do you say to the accusation that your group
has been causing more crimes than it's been preventing?
Homer: [amused] Oh, Kent, I'd be lying if I said my men weren't
committing crimes.
Kent: [pause] Well, touche'.
-- Effective interview responses, "Homer the Vigilante"
 
I think Guardian Angels have no place in a gun culture. However, they can't do any harm, except maybe get in the way of police. Which to me is a weak excuse to not have them here.

If they want to be here, fine. I just don't see how it's going to help.
 
ruck said:
I think Guardian Angels have no place in a gun culture. However, they can't do any harm, except maybe get in the way of police. Which to me is a weak excuse to not have them here.

If they want to be here, fine. I just don't see how it's going to help.
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You will find many of the Angels are former bangers. They can bring perspective. YOu will also find them to be helpful in showing a presence.
 
I used to be a drug abuser, dealer, stealer, car thief, b&e expert and gang member and (gang) cell leader. That was back in the day. I don't pretend that I can relate to these guys. I can't, I never carried guns nor shot anyone. But hey, that's just me.
 
I'm all for them. It's not like we're paying for there presence. I see nothing wrong in people stepping up to make the city streets safe. The cops can't seem to handle it all.
 
You would think that the police would welcome another set of eyes on the street.
I believe Miller the Wimp would be the first to take credit if there was a good news story related to GA's in Toronto.
 
Too bad the Angels aren't what they call themselves-Angels-some sweet hot women walking the streets would be nice:p
 
A-ROD said:
You would think that the police would welcome another set of eyes on the street.
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Most cops hate security guards, auxilliary cops and anyone else they deem to be 'pretenders'.

Cops think they are some elite unit thats carefully picked from the general population and everyone else are just 'civilians' that can never measure up to their level.

Truth is noone else wants their job :D
 
Judas H said:
Thats because police have a low salary.
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You've got to be kidding, right? Low salary compared to what?

Toronto Police Services 2006
Qualifications, among others: minimum grade 12 education
Cadet in training: $39,317.20
Fourth class constable $46,797
First class constable $66,852 (3 year qualifying period)

BENEFITS
Include Family Health Plan, Dental Plan, Pension Plan, Life Insurance, Employee Assistance Programme, and two weeks paid vacation.

Try getting that flipping burgers at McDonalds.
 
Questor said:
You've got to be kidding, right? Low salary compared to what?

Toronto Police Services 2006
Qualifications, among others: minimum grade 12 education
Cadet in training: $39,317.20
Fourth class constable $46,797
First class constable $66,852 (3 year qualifying period)
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66,852 is sweet fuck all!!

I sell things and I make more than that...These guys have to worry about getting shot by gang bangers.

They should get paid more than that in my opinion.
 
Questor said:
You've got to be kidding, right? Low salary compared to what?

Toronto Police Services 2006
Qualifications, among others: minimum grade 12 education
Cadet in training: $39,317.20
Fourth class constable $46,797
First class constable $66,852 (3 year qualifying period)

BENEFITS
Include Family Health Plan, Dental Plan, Pension Plan, Life Insurance, Employee Assistance Programme, and two weeks paid vacation.

Try getting that flipping burgers at McDonalds.
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It really is sweet fuck all. I make more than all three tiers put together.
The only danger I face are taxes. LOL
I have no benefits and that's okay by me.

The grade 12 is bullshit. You need college plus academy to become a full on cop. One of my employees is going through to become a cop. It's not a cakewalk, that's for sure.
 
Ruck and Judas, you are both, of course, entitled to your opinion. If the grade 12 minimum is bullshit Ruck, you should inform the Toronto Police Services that their web page is wrong.

I didn't suggest that being a cop is a cakewalk. For sure it is a tough job, and I am glad the police are well paid because high pay attracts better people (theoretically anyway) and I would prefer that our police exercise good character *cough* and judgement. It is a vital job in our society. But I would also suggest that $66.8k is good money and anyone who thinks otherwise may have spent a little too much time with high income people and not enough time with farm workers, teachers, nurses, taxi drivers, waiters and minimum wage workers in general. Those jobs are no cakewalk either. They don't pay as well as cops, and in some cases they don't come with the same status.

So, you have stated your opinion, and I have stated mine. You can rebutt what I have said if you wish, but I don't see endless arguments settling anything. And sorry Judas, that I seem to have highjacked your thread. Everyone please feel free to continue talking about the Guardian Angels.
 
Questor said:
And sorry Judas, that I seem to have highjacked your thread. Everyone please feel free to continue talking about the Guardian Angels.
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Hey man, don't apologize I love a good hijack.

I personally think that the police should make more than $67,000 dollars they deserve more than that. I agree with you when you say that farm workers, teachers, nurses, taxi drivers, waiters and minimum wage workers in general do not have a cake walk in their chosen profession, however they do not have to worry about getting shot by a criminal giving a routine speeeing ticket. Police do have to worry about that...and to me that deserves a higher danger pay.
 
Interesting topic.

Any time the public goes over the line and seeks to protect itself it becomes a scarey issue for many when they consider an abuse of power. On the whole the Angels have a pretty good record considering they are willing to walk where many fear to go.

Eventually there will be a confrontation and someone will scream abuse. I believe, in reality someone got caught and decided to put up a losing battle and then tried to claim civil rights were stomped on as a defence tactic.

Yes..the Police often get a little hinky about the public geting involved. Mostly because we're not as sensitive to the investigative process as they are. The public tends to walk around a lot..touch things..pretty much contaminating a crime scene. The cops have a hard enough time getting the cases to court let alone having all the evidence potentially ruined by well intentioned people.

It's a toss of the coin. There's no downside to having them here. It's another 50-100 set of eyes on the street every night with a cell phone ready to call in.

We just have to expect than some lawyer will eventually try and use that presence as a way to toss a charge. Even worse, one of these well meaning Angels may get caught up in the moment and truly overstep a boundary. Who among us when presented with absolute danger would not use any means to protect their life? Thats when it the Angels presence becomes a Media frenzy.

There's always going to be the Ying and Yang...but we need all the help we can get here.

M2
 
Questor said:
Ruck and Judas, you are both, of course, entitled to your opinion. If the grade 12 minimum is bullshit Ruck, you should inform the Toronto Police Services that their web page is wrong.
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Minimum, the bare minimum. You can ask any officer out there and see what his/her response is. The minimum is grade 12 but nobody will get hired with only that, not anymore. It basically comes down to who has better credentials. The Grade 12 graduate or a college graduate.
You also need a tremendous amount of community volunteer hours. Not something that is specified but something that is wanted. They will choose the ones with more initiative over the ones who just do the bare minimum.
You get what I mean.

Hijack over. :)
 
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