Grooming children with clothing - Your thoughts?

[Knuckle Ball]

Well, if we have cultures were Trans people don't exist, does that also suggest there is tangible benefits to societies in not having trans members?

It's all subjective.

I’m not aware of any cultures, past or present, that don’t have trans members. It would seem that these elusive trans-free societies that you speak of did not survive the evolutionary process, if they ever even existed at all.

It appears that without a small but critical number of trans members a society cannot survive.

 

[PHS C1000]

I’m not aware of any cultures, past or present, that don’t have trans members. It would seem that these elusive trans-free societies that you speak of did not survive the evolutionary process, if they ever even existed at all.

It appears that without a small but critical number of trans members a society cannot survive.

We'll just have to see how things play out I guess.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

We'll just have to see how things play out I guess.

We already know how things play out- they have consistently played out the same way for thousands of years…and they will continue to do so.

 

[PHS C1000]

Evolution is an incredibly slow process in which specific traits that appear to assist with survival in an environment remain, while other traits that don't help with survival of the species are either discontinued or buried within the DNA.

A sudden change in environment (such as an asteroid or sudden climate change) will kill off any species that can't handle such a change. The dinosaurs died because they were large, cold-blooded and required a lot of food, which was not available, thanks to the sun being blotted out by meteoric dust clouds in the atmosphere. Think of what would happen to humanity if a major nuclear war were to occur. Our environment would change so suddenly that most of us would die from radiation poisoning, lack of food and hypothermia because of the nuclear winter.

98% of all of the species that have ever lived on the planet are extinct, thanks to poor adaptation to the environment, sudden climate change due to orbit perturbations and asteroid hits. Evolution is a hit and miss. If it hits, it's kept. If it misses, the species either dies off or adapts in some other way. There is no design and no plan. There is only survival of the fittest in the environment of the eon.

Hope this helps.....

Not all of them. Some, like the brontosaurus, were herbivores (plant-eaters). They were not fighters or killers. They were docile, much like elephants are today. Whatever evolution happened to give the species the ability to survive and procreate were kept. The brontosaurus did not need to eat meat to survive, so it did not have to kill other animals to survive....

Plus, not all of the dinosaurs were large and strong.....but they still survived, even to the modern era.....

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[basketcase]

How did evolution work out for the dinosaurs?

But everyone can have a different view. IT's OK.

Evolution has worked well for anything that continues to survive.

But it amuses me that someone with your antiquated viewpoint is talking about dinosaurs.

 

[PHS C1000]

Evolution has worked well for anything that continues to survive.

But it amuses me that someone with your antiquated viewpoint is talking about dinosaurs.

We'll see. That's all we can say.

Everyone has there belief. We just have to wait and see.

 

[basketcase]

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4. I think most men will agree that female clothing today is too provocative. I would overall agree toning it down.

I think it's just a matter of evolving norms. I'm sure 200 years ago, guys were jacking it hoping to see a woman's ankle. If young women feel comfortable dressing skimpily, they should be able to and not have to worry about whether some creepy assed guy will attack them. I also suspect that there will always be fights because the parents don't want their kid leaving home dressed "that' way.

As I said though, parents dressing up little kids to be sexualized is messed up.

 

[basketcase]

The dinosaurs were killed by a fucking asteroid dude. That is not the definition of evolution.

Compares apples to apples. Not apples to beef.

I know it's off topic but dinosaurs were not killed off by an asteroid. Many species died off from the climate change caused by the strike but many other species lived on and evolved into birds.

 

[basketcase]

First - the question should be why should a mother have to get “boy” shorts? Why do “girls” shorts have to made so short? Why don’t manufacturers make longer shorts for girls. There is not real difference in height and weight of a 3 year old boy and a 3 year old girl. It is not until a little later in youth does the differences in weight and height start to apply. So why even make the shorts that shirt to begin with? What is the purpose?
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I would suspect to appeal to the parents and sell more.

A quick google has others saying gendered children's clothing has always been about $$$

For Centuries, Boys Used To 'Dress Like A Girl.' Here's When Everything Changed.

Many parents have a strong reaction against gender-neutral clothes, but American kids dressed like "sexless cherubs" before capitalism and more rigid gender norms took over.

www.huffpost.com

p.s. exact same reason why the anti-trans movement is so popular; rage posting = money.

 

[basketcase]

Well, if we have cultures were Trans people don't exist, does that also suggest there is tangible benefits to societies in not having trans members?

It's all subjective.

You're assuming that trans people don't exist and not that it isn't just shunned. It's like when Iran or Russian claim they have no gay people - they may want to believe it but that doesn't make it reality.

p.s. Evolutionarily, the existence of something doesn't explicitly mean it has a tangible benefit and there will always be genetic diversity but a well documented history around the world of trans/non-binary people shows that it hasn't been a detriment to society in general.

 

[basketcase]

Evolution is not limited to, but it does include size and strength. What is ultimately being said is your Evolution could end up being the wrong path.
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I feel I need to start lecturing about what evolution means. It is a change in distribution of particular genotypes within a population and any individual that survives long enough to pass on their genes is sufficiently adapted for its environment.

There is no "wrong path" as that presupposes so kind of divinely planned ideal rather than just things surviving if they can.

 

[PHS C1000]

Wrong. Humans are neither large nor strong, relatively speaking. However, we have superior minds. This allowed us to outsmart predators and prey as well as devise tools to kill them much more easily. Also, think of insects. They have been on the Earth for a few billion years. They are still here. They survive because they reproduce like crazy. That is their trait of survival. Well, some sting, so there's that too.....



Two things:

1 - "your evolution" makes no sense. Evolution is a process. That's it.
2 - Evolution can indeed end in extinction. There is no promise that an adaptation or mutation will result in survival. This is a good argument against the "designer" hypothesis, which is shit.....



No, it isn't. Not at all. Evolution is a process. That's all. There is no competition to it at all. That would kind of imply a designer, which is not true......



There are several reasons to have a lot of children:

1 - Death. If the child mortality rate is high, having a lot of children might guarantee that some offspring will survive.
2 - Workers. Pre-1950, a lot of children guaranteed farm and factory labour.



Opinion makes no difference here. Facts are what matter. Stick with the facts, no matter what your opinions are.....

"Wait and see" for what, exactly? That the "Creation Science" (oxymoron) people will totally upend evolution? Even if it did, they would still have to prove their design hypothesis.....nothing yet.....

I'm not sure what your point is here, but get to it, OK? Just saying "Wait and see." is cowardly.....

You say this as if your opinion matters to the discussion. It doesn't.

Get to the point and stop hiding.....

Everything I needed to say is at post #170.

Everyone is free to believe what they want. Nothing to debate about that.

At some point we just got to see the end results. We have to wait and see.

I wish you the best and nothing but the love and respect.

 

[basketcase]

Dinosaurs evolve to use size and strength correct?

Are you under the impression that all dinosaurs were the same as each other? Could you perhaps consider that different species evolved to fill different niches?

 

[basketcase]

We'll see. That's all we can say.

Everyone has there belief. We just have to wait and see.

Thankfully there is a difference between "belief" and "backed by empirical evidence".

 

[PHS C1000]

Are you under the impression that all dinosaurs were the same as each other? Could you perhaps consider that different species evolved to fill different niches?

Thankfully there is a difference between "belief" and "backed by empirical evidence".

For sure.

 

[Jenesis]

Yeah, right. Ignore it is then.....

This guy is a clear troll. New member and 98% of this posts are in this thread alone. 99% are gender based threads. LOL.

 

[John_Jacob]

Things change...

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Things change...

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I don’t get it?

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[Darts]

Are children influenced by what they see in the media?

 

[Not getting younger]

Whether it was an asteroid, a volcano or climate change, the Dinosaurs evolved to something that couldn't survive.

Evolution is not always a positive.

/points at climate change.
Are you suggesting that todays world isn’t an improvement over the period dinosaurs walked the earth?