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CH812

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Apparently the recorded converations between conservative MP Gurmant Grewal and senior members of the Liberal caucus have been "altered" says 2 experts....

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/02/dosanjh-tapes050602.html

OH man if this is proven to be true in my opinion the conservatives are done! They will lose all support they have gained during the sponsorship scandal. And it seems Harper had the tapes for 14 days before they were released and if they were altered when he had custody of them he would take the rap and may even be indicted on some criminal charges.

I cant wait to see this story unfold.... :cool:
 
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If they're that cheesy, they don't deserve to run the country. What you want to do is convert it to digital, edit it in the digital domain, and then re-record it onto a new audiotape. For Heaven's sake, don't use cheap tape splicers ;)

Now I think a political party would be smart enough to have done exactly that, leading me to question the conclusions of the "independent experts" working for the ever-impartial CBC...
 
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Truncador said:
...Now I think a political party would be smart enough to have done exactly that, leading me to question the conclusions of the "independent experts" working for the ever-impartial CBC...
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The story wasn't broken by the CBC. Besides, even if it was, the tampering implication is clear regardless. The RCMP now have the tapes, and the conclusion of alteration came from a fellow named Stevan Pausak, "... a physicist, MIT-trained forensic scientist... (who) provides analysis for government trials through his Oakville-based company, Forensic Science Services Inc." (Canadian Press)

Pausak said, "There is no way to show intent through the examination of the recording. You just see that it's altered."(Canadian Press)

*sigh* Whatever happened to the once-proud Progressive Conservatives?
 
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it may mean nothing- but huge political fallout. the whole taping of the conversation was seedy anyways
 
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Quiet frankly i am amazed how "cool" you guys are about Martin byuying votes with your tax dollars.
It makes me uncomfortable. First the NDP, then Belinda and now POSSIBLY someone else.
Is nobody bothered by this?? I know no laws have been broken, but there is awhole ethical and perception side to this.
 
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happygrump

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langeweile said:
I know no laws have been broken, but there is awhole ethical and perception side to this.
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Actually, there may have been laws broken. Offering an enticement in the present or future for a vote in the Commons is a Federal offence. So is surreptitously taping a private conversation without consent. Hence, the RCMP is now investigating.
 
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happygrump said:
So is surreptitously taping a private conversation without consent. Hence, the RCMP is now investigating.
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Actually taping a conversation is legal - as long as ONE of the parties involved is aware it is being done.
 
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The Sky is Falling!

All Liberals are not corrupt
All Conservatives are not corrupt.

Some Liberals are corrupt and have questionable moral compasses.
Some Conservatives are corrupt and have questionable moral compasses.

In any organization with thousands of employees/members...statistically you are going to have a few bad apples...just as there are a few bad lawyers and a few bad doctors and a few bad engineers etc. The sky is not falling when by whatever means these individuals are outed.

Grewals' record/credentials are really pretty dodgy...lots of reported contradictions etc. and even investigation for taking bribes!

So, don't be surprised if he instigated the "sting" and adjusted the evidence to support his twisted logic. Don't blame the whole Conservative Party any more than all Liberals should be tainted with the sponsorship debacle.

IMHO
 
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Shades said:
All Liberals are not corrupt
All Conservatives are not corrupt.

So, don't be surprised if he instigated the "sting" and adjusted the evidence to support his twisted logic. Don't blame the whole Conservative Party any more than all Liberals should be tainted with the sponsorship debacle.

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Good points, lets see what the ethics commissioner and RCMP say...

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Who cares if the tape was altered and who cares if Grewal approached the Libs. The bottom line is Murphy and Dosanjh's voices are on the tape and they are talking about rewards for both Grewal and his wife for defecting. For all we know it could have been the Liberals who have contacted Belinda Stronach first (even though she says it was her initiation). But how in the hell do you give her a cabinet post and she has zero political experience? And what about the accusations that Conservative MP Inky Mark was approached and offered a plum position?
Are we so blind to not see through this Liberal facade? They are desperately trying to cling to power by any means necessary including selling themselves out to the NDP and to every voter with a handout. Disgusting display indeed!
 
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Politicians, like diapers, need to be changed once in a while for the same reason

Do the Lieberals expect us to believe that they would never buy someone's vote with a cabinet position? Do they actually expect that after the deal with BS?

I think that if anyone regardless of their political stripes would vote Lieberal after adscam and 13 years of corruption, then they really deserve the government we get.

I'm not crazy about the conservatives either but we need to change the gov once in a while to keep these assholes honest.

I simply don't believe the Lieberals or the CBC on anything.
 
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Mr. Grewal is quite the shrewd politician.... My thinking about the whole situation is.

1. He initiated and probably was contemplating switching sides if the offer was right.
2. After Belinda Stronach switches sides, He sees the negative backlash she receives from the media and the conservative party, and starts having second thoughts
3. During the whole discussions, he tapes the conversations as a precaution...
4. Decides he does not want to switch, edits out the parts of the conversation that he doesn't like....
5. Releases the tapes to the public

Grewal has a history of being a shady politician, while Mr Dosanjh on the other hand was known in BC as Mr Integrity...

None the less, these tapes are proof that the PM would do absolutely anything to stay in power!

It's going to be interesting to see the outcome of this whole affair...
 
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Why bother to have laws if illegal offers are normal in our politics? EVERY party is guilty of trying to entice elected officials to abandon their constituents wishes and switch teams.
Very undemocratic, no wonder people are cynical.
 
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Homer07 said:
None the less, these tapes are proof that the PM would do absolutely anything to stay in power!

It's going to be interesting to see the outcome of this whole affair...
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Are we turning into a "banana republic" like Cuba, Ecuador, Paraguay, etc., where leaders do anything to hang on to office/ power...

:eek:
 
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Tapes Sliced and Diced!

Front page story in the Globe: Tapes were not only "edited" but parts were duplicated and resequenced to support the bribery allegation.

This from an electronic surveillance expert based in the US. He thought whoever did this job was really inept. He also thought that the tapes have been editted sufficiently to make the allegation of bribery unsupportable!
 
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langeweile said:
Quiet frankly i am amazed how "cool" you guys are about Martin byuying votes with your tax dollars.
It makes me uncomfortable. First the NDP, then Belinda and now POSSIBLY someone else.
Is nobody bothered by this?? I know no laws have been broken, but there is awhole ethical and perception side to this.
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it happens all the time- every day. its happening RIGHT NOW (play Van Halen). here, there and everywhere. Canada, the US, Europe.
 
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I just read that Grewal came from Liberia (after a coup) after failing to get into UK & US. Zero credibility.

That said, the Liberals inolved are just as bad.
 
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Interesting Set-up

It appears that Harper has dealt with Grewal by paving the way for him to step aside while the truth of his allegations are verified and examined by the proper authorities....in this case the Ethics Commissioner and RCMP. While he didn't word it as such...the effect is the same...the "Honourable" Member has stepped aside.
Now....do you think there should be some pressure on Martin to do the same.
Say..."...Tim, Ujoh....take the summer off while this is sorted out."
Maybe he could bring Judy Sgro back in as Health Minister as she has done the right thing...and has been exonerated.
 
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