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Government shutdown: White House details consequences

blackrock13

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Send me the budget requests for each program and department.

I will be happy to cut the monies out and more
Neat, but no one would listen to you so big deal. I went through a formal exercise such as this with a workshop of 'regular Canadians', and we did a great job. When the proposals were presented to the politicians, their reaction was basically that's nice, NIH, toss in round file, next.
 

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Neat, but no one would listen to you so big deal. I went through a formal exercise such as this with a workshop of 'regular Canadians', and we did a great job. When the proposals were presented to the politicians, their reaction was basically that's nice, NIH, toss in round file, next.


I could likely cut 20 or 30 Billion a year just by making Obama pay for his vacations and have him pay to cart the press corps around when he takes time off.
 

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I could likely cut 20 or 30 Billion a year just by making Obama pay for his vacations and have him pay to cart the press corps around when he takes time off.
Uh huh. So when you were asked to back up your assertions you slipped into silliness. Even if you COULD save $30 billion this way you are still $3.37 trillion short.
 

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I could likely cut 20 or 30 Billion a year just by making Obama pay for his vacations and have him pay to cart the press corps around when he takes time off.
Dubya took all those EXTRA vacations and you were mute!
Obama hardly takes any vacations compared to Dubya and you're squealing like a stuck pig in the Deliverance Movie! Too funny....:p
 

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Uh huh. So when you were asked to back up your assertions you slipped into silliness. Even if you COULD save $30 billion this way you are still $3.37 trillion short.
I have not even touched the programs yet.
 

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Neat, but no one would listen to you so big deal. I went through a formal exercise such as this with a workshop of 'regular Canadians', and we did a great job. When the proposals were presented to the politicians, their reaction was basically that's nice, NIH, toss in round file, next.
Oddly enough the POTUS commissioned a special panel to do the same thing, they came back with many very good suggestions, he's ignored them all.

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And given that most of that spending is already locked in... I don't see how you can.
There ya go again figuring you have to spend just because someone spent money on it before.
 

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There ya go again figuring you have to spend just because someone spent money on it before.
No, because it's already basically owed. There's only six months of the year left. Even if you were to lay off all those government employees, you would owe them severance and termination. You could also try cutting people's pension/benefits/etc. but I think you'd find legal problems there too, given for the most part they've already received documents stating what they are going to get.

Most of the spend is locked in at this point for the remainder of this year. Any balancing is going to be for future years.
 

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Mood sours as Congress seeks budget deal

Just as I predicted GOP is letting radical teabaggers insert legislation that will insure the Gov goes into a shutdwon! Now GOPers are merely jockeying to try and blame DEMS for the GOP nutcases who want to go into a shutdown to cripple the fragile economic recovery....:rolleyes:

Mood sours as Congress seeks budget deal

By Andy Sullivan and John Whitesides – 29 mins ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – With time running out, an ideological battle over abortion and environmental issues threatened on Thursday to scuttle a congressional deal to avert a looming government shutdown.

The mood shifted from optimism to pessimism as Democratic and Republican leaders in the U.S. Congress blamed each other for a failure to agree on billions of dollars in spending cuts that would keep the government operating beyond the midnight Friday deadline.... [more]
 

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The POTUS has threaten to veto a 1 week continuing resolution to keep the government open and fund the troops until September.... Odd given his rhetoric to date about the troops. If they miss a paycheck it will land at the White House's door.
That's the Rovian 'spin' being fed by the GOP hoping their weak of mind FAUX fans will swallow. People with functioning brains will see through this GOP 'smoke & mirrors' and still lay blame rightfully on the party of NO, the GOP who catered to teabagger knuckledraggers ....:)
 

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No, because it's already basically owed. There's only six months of the year left. Even if you were to lay off all those government employees, you would owe them severance and termination. You could also try cutting people's pension/benefits/etc. but I think you'd find legal problems there too, given for the most part they've already received documents stating what they are going to get.

Most of the spend is locked in at this point for the remainder of this year. Any balancing is going to be for future years.

Does not work that way here

You get a lay off it means you get unemployment and that is all she wrote.


You seem to think that we owe people monies no matter what
 

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I could likely cut 20 or 30 Billion a year just by making Obama pay for his vacations and have him pay to cart the press corps around when he takes time off.
The savings there would obviously be on the scale of millions, not billions. You have a long way to go.
 

blackrock13

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The POTUS has threaten to veto a 1 week continuing resolution to keep the government open and fund the troops until September.... Odd given his rhetoric to date about the troops. If they miss a paycheck it will land at the White House's door.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110407/ap_on_bi_ge/us_spending_showdown

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What did POTUS want instead of this deal? A more complete deal not just a stop gap slap down.

Same source;

The president had said earlier this week he would not vote for the temporary extension, which includes $12 billion in spending cuts, unless there were hints of a progress in negotiations on a final bill.

Democrats charge that the bill is merely a political cover.

"This is a very cynical ploy to use our troops to try to impose the Republican agenda through the budget process," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.

Further on it says,

Sources say spending cuts in the remainder of the fiscal 2011 budget now stand at $34.5 billion after Republicans agreed, late Wednesday, to $3 billion in cuts to the Pentagon's budget. For many Tea Party-backed lawmakers, that may not be enough. They've said they want to see at least $61 billion in cuts that was outlined in the original House bill. About $10 billion in spending has already been cut in temporary funding measures
 

papasmerf

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Federal government workers aren't unionized? I am betting their contract has something to say about it.

Unless you are talking appointees I dare say you have a lot to learn about American Labor Laws.
 
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