GOP senator to object to Electoral College results, forcing Congress to vote on overturning Biden's win

mandrill

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You don't recognize that your insistence that your views are correct are no less arrogant than the posts you criticize, but less justifiable.
Dutch, it's time for you to go have a nice, long chat w the Lizardmen. They are the only ones who understand how brilliant you are and will agree that Trump is a genius. Your wisdom is wasted on other humans.
 
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Fun For All

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You don't recognize that your insistence that your views are correct are no less arrogant than the posts you criticize, but less justifiable.
That's not true...you just make stuff up...also, not everything is as complicated as you present them as.
 

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Oh please. Do a nanosecond of research before you post utter tripe. Here's some free legal education:

Ok, I read it...is an opinion paper from a law firm, not a court of law.

The first thing they say is hearsay evidence may be accepted by a judge's discretion if it is necessary and reliable...this law firm gives eight ways hearsay evidence can be used and none of them apply to the election.
 

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Ok, I read it...is an opinion paper from a law firm, not a court of law.

The first thing they say is hearsay evidence may be accepted by a judge's discretion if it is necessary and reliable...this law firm gives eight ways hearsay evidence can be used and none of them apply to the election.
You read it, but didn't understand it fully. There are 8 traditionally established "categories" of exceptions to the hearsay rule. However, the Supreme Court of Canada (not just this law firm) has now rejected this "categorical" approach to exceptions in favour of a principled approach. That's why the circumstances under which hearsay will be accepted are not limited to these 8 categories (or any category) and are constantly expanding.

Exactly what I told you.
 

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You read it, but didn't understand it fully. There are 8 traditionally established "categories" of exceptions to the hearsay rule. However, the Supreme Court of Canada (not just this law firm) has now rejected this "categorical" approach to exceptions in favour of a principled approach. That's why the circumstances under which hearsay will be accepted are not limited to these 8 categories (or any category) and are constantly expanding.

Exactly what I told you.
You are making up "That's why the circumstances under which hearsay will be accepted are not limited to these 8 categories (or any category) and are constantly expanding."

You are making up "However, the Supreme Court of Canada (not just this law firm) has now rejected this "categorical" approach to exceptions in favour of a principled approach."

Also, Supreme Court of Canada has no input in American election issues.
 

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You read it, but didn't understand it fully. There are 8 traditionally established "categories" of exceptions to the hearsay rule. However, the Supreme Court of Canada (not just this law firm) has now rejected this "categorical" approach to exceptions in favour of a principled approach. That's why the circumstances under which hearsay will be accepted are not limited to these 8 categories (or any category) and are constantly expanding.

Exactly what I told you.
So you post an opinion piece by a legal firm about Canadian law then state that this opinion is wrong so therefore affidavits in the US with hearsay are now legit even when they have been repeatedly rejected by every level of court in the US.

 

Dutch Oven

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You are making up "That's why the circumstances under which hearsay will be accepted are not limited to these 8 categories (or any category) and are constantly expanding."

You are making up "However, the Supreme Court of Canada (not just this law firm) has now rejected this "categorical" approach to exceptions in favour of a principled approach."

Also, Supreme Court of Canada has no input in American election issues.
WTH are you talking about?

The SCC case, R. v. Khan, is cited in the paper!

As to how the courts have applied R. v. Khan (and there are plenty of cases applying it since 1990), you'll have to do your own research or pay someone to do it for you.

Why do you think the US law on hearsay is significantly different? Here are almost 30 exceptions recognized by category under the Federal rules of evidence:


Here's at least a starter to help you understand the growth of a principled approach in the US in conjunction with express exceptions in the Rules of Eviddnce:


You only found out 10 minutes ago that there were any exceptions. Come back to me when you know something about the subject.
 

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So you post an opinion piece by a legal firm about Canadian law then state that this opinion is wrong so therefore affidavits in the US with hearsay are now legit even when they have been repeatedly rejected by every level of court in the US.

One of your greatest S's.
 

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WTH are you talking about?

The SCC case, R. v. Khan, is cited in the paper!

As to how the courts have applied R. v. Khan (and there are plenty of cases applying it since 1990), you'll have to do your own research or pay someone to do it for you.

Why do you think the US law on hearsay is significantly different? Here are almost 30 exceptions recognized by category under the Federal rules of evidence:


Here's at least a starter to help you understand the growth of a principled approach in the US in conjunction with express exceptions in the Rules of Eviddnce:


You only found out 10 minutes ago that there were any exceptions. Come back to me when you know something about the subject.
Have to get you back on track...we were talking about hearsay evidence as it relates to the US election.

The Supreme Court of Canada is not at issue here...nor is R v. Khan.

I am aware of hearsay evidence...you suggesting I found out about in 10 minutes ago is another one of your ignorant, misleading statements of arrogance.

None of the exceptions of hearsay evidence rules apply...none.
 

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So you post an opinion piece by a legal firm about Canadian law then state that this opinion is wrong so therefore affidavits in the US with hearsay are now legit even when they have been repeatedly rejected by every level of court in the US.

He’s a difficult guy...arguing for the sake of confrontation
 

Dutch Oven

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He’s a difficult guy...arguing for the sake of confrontation
If you're taking your legal advice from Frank, that's your first mistake.
 

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Why thank you sir, you are too kind.
But really, the credit goes to you and your most outrageous theory of fact and law that appears rational to you yet.
S
 

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It's just a throw-in because I thought the Parler-takes comments were funny. Trump is holding a rally in DC on Jan 6 to support the horseshit in Congress.
The Maryland National Guard is going to show up uninvited...
 

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You read it, but didn't understand it fully. There are 8 traditionally established "categories" of exceptions to the hearsay rule. However, the Supreme Court of Canada (not just this law firm) has now rejected this "categorical" approach to exceptions in favour of a principled approach. That's why the circumstances under which hearsay will be accepted are not limited to these 8 categories (or any category) and are constantly expanding.

Exactly what I told you.
Do you understand how Khan is applied? Let me help you.

First, the witness has to be unavailable. That doesn't mean "has a dentist appointment" or "is a half-hour bus ride away". That means dead, in another country, is in a coma, etc. In Khan, the witness was a small child who was ass-fingered by the pervert Khan and was too hysterical and emotionally fragile to attend court and testify. There was a massive pile of medical evidence about this.

Second, there has to be overwhelming circumstantial guarantees that the evidence is reliable. The terrorized little kid in Khan immediately ran to his mom and wept that he / she had been ass-fingered, providing specific details. No room for coaching, over active imagination or any other tainting. The Mom attended as a witness and was cross examined.

Saying "Hey judge, someone whose name I forget told me that she saw people throw out Trump ballots somewhere in Wisconsin" does not explain why you didn't get the damn name and subpoena the eyewitness, nor does it provide any guarantee that alleged eyewitness didn't just make the entire story up. So the Trump lawsuits didn't even BEGIN to meet any of the Khan tests.

So no. Khan doesn't help you.
 

Frankfooter

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You read it, but didn't understand it fully. There are 8 traditionally established "categories" of exceptions to the hearsay rule. However, the Supreme Court of Canada (not just this law firm) has now rejected this "categorical" approach to exceptions in favour of a principled approach. That's why the circumstances under which hearsay will be accepted are not limited to these 8 categories (or any category) and are constantly expanding.

Exactly what I told you.
Do you understand how Khan is applied? Let me help you.

First, the witness has to be unavailable. That doesn't mean "has a dentist appointment" or "is a half-hour bus ride away". That means dead, in another country, is in a coma, etc. In Khan, the witness was a small child who was ass-fingered by the pervert Khan and was too hysterical and emotionally fragile to attend court and testify. There was a massive pile of medical evidence about this.

Second, there has to be overwhelming circumstantial guarantees that the evidence is reliable. The terrorized little kid in Khan immediately ran to his mom and wept that he / she had been ass-fingered, providing specific details. No room for coaching, over active imagination or any other tainting. The Mom attended as a witness and was cross examined.

Saying "Hey judge, someone whose name I forget told me that she saw people throw out Trump ballots somewhere in Wisconsin" does not explain why you didn't get the damn name and subpoena the eyewitness, nor does it provide any guarantee that alleged eyewitness didn't just make the entire story up. So the Trump lawsuits didn't even BEGIN to meet any of the Khan tests.

So no. Khan doesn't help you.
Another fine bitch slapping for the oven.

 
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