I'm not assuming anything. The race controversies get a big play in some of the media and some circles in a few cities. That doesn't mean that it's a big issue with the majority of the NFL consumers. Frankly, few as they are, the polling among the football fans suggests that race politics in football is seen as an irritant. Irritating your customers is bad for business.
Goodell bad. Kaepernick wins
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Yes you are, your argument is like skipping stones over water. NFL fans have no choice but to adjust. During Roger Goodell's tenure, the owners made boatloads of money while ignoring the plight of retired veterans. NFL fans don't really have a say since most of the money is made on TV revenue, eventually the NFLPA will challenge the owners over pension and health care. They need a more progressive Commissioner to negotiate the terms. Currently elite players make almost all the money while the rest slug in financial obscurity. Rob Gronkowski is a foolish man for coming back, he'll eventually end up in a wheelchair.
Perhaps SI's most famous photo. Roger Staubach got out while he still had his health, LC Greenwood was not so fortunate.
Perhaps SI's most famous photo. Roger Staubach got out while he still had his health, LC Greenwood was not so fortunate.
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From now on, he'll be more famous and celebrated than if he won 3 superbowl rings and went to the pro bowl every year though.
How many World Series did Jackie Robinson win?...... Who had his number retired on the wall of every MLB ball park?
The endorsements for Kaepernick will be thick and rich and creamy from now on. He's a different kind of winner, but he still won.
Politics makes bad business. I'm not sure why it's hard for anyone to understand that. It might feel good to some, but it's still not good business.
We will likely see a season of kneeling, maybe two. It will quietly disappear. The owners and the union will have very discreet discussions about the business. Oh yeah, did I mention the NFL was a business? Did I forget to mention many of the players black and white are millionaires? The optics are very bad to many of the people who watch the NFL.
Why do you hate them so much? This reminded me of something Gail Collins would write in the New York Times. She detests Middle America.
Many of these fat, middle-aged slobs as you call them just get by, live a decent life and try to raise a family. They just want to sit in a recliner, have a beer and watch some football on Sundays. The vast majority of them aren't racists. Many of them in places like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc. vote Democratic. Now they are being told by someone in New York, Los Angeles (or Toronto) that you are evil if you aren't "woke". You are evil if you don't want your Sunday afternoons interrupted with a political message from the National Football League.]
oagre, you're too smart for this. Hammering people over the head with politics is not good politics.
If guys can't sit through a few seconds of someone else's message in the course of a 3 hour event, what does that say about them? Leaving aside the fact that 90% of the players are black. That many of the players identify with the message, etc.
There's a basic level of tolerance that's gone missing and that's what offends me. If you don't believe in BLM and don't like people doing their thing in the anthem, you're entitled to grumble a little. I don't think you're entitled to ban it. I don't think you're entitled to ban Kaepernick. There comes a point where not liking people fucking around during your anthem becomes suppressing THEIR free speech. And why are you even fighting on that hill when it's only about 30 seconds of air time?!
And as far as "political messages from the NFL", isn't every half-time show a tribute to the US Armed forces these days. Now that skips under the radar as a "political message" because it's assumed that 99% of onlookers will salute and cheer, but it's pretty clearly a political message nevertheless.
I've always said that it's the players right to kneel. The problem is that it's the right of every viewer to tune out and watch college football on Saturdays*. Your words strongly suggest that "fat white slobs" should stand by for this very important message from the NFL players.
You might not know the U.S. Armed Forces paid substantial sums of money to the NFL for those halftime events for several years. I think the NFL was shamed into giving them some free time. If the NFL thinks it's good business to continue that's their prerogative as well.
*Note: College football players should be paid a stipend and receive royalties for their name and likeness.
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Since more whites are killed by cops than blacks and more cops are killed by criminals, I suspect it would be appropriate for many of the players to kneel for these folks. I would hope they will speak out just as strongly for the fallen cops and Caucasians.
What is wrong with you math challanged people. Its RATIOs that count. That is as dumb as saying more Chinese die then Americans. Good lord. But Police brutality and incompetence affects us ALL.
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How's this for a ratio? Blacks commit 50% of the violent crimes in the US. Yet more whites are killed by cops.
Well, "fat, white slobs" was colorful language in response to the normal cut and thrust on TERB. I'm sure there are some thin, fastidious, younger men throwing THEIR napkins as well.
And yes, it's your right as an American to use that 30 seconds to take a pee break, or tickle the dog, or flip the burgers or refill your glass. But fuck me!...... Isn't that an awful lot of angst and trouble to take over a minority group just trying to express itself?!
You show your ingrained racism here. INGRAINED. How can you say those stats are accurate when white cops are always looking to charge blacks? Its not the job of police to kill ANYONE. The ideal number of people police should kill is ZERO.
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Bullshit. There is nothing racist here. If police are trying to protect the public and a criminal is threatening the public or the officer than they do not always have a choice. I'd guess you'd rather see the criminal (of any race) just shoot the cop and proceed?
Stats are stats and here's another one for you. More cops are killed in the line of duty each year than the total of people of all races cops kill. That should also be zero but it's not. I'm sure you don't like that stat either. Committing crimes comes with it's own inherent risk and the persons committing crimes are choosing to increase the risk of bad things happening to them. Being a cop has it's own risks in trying to keep the peace, they choose to protect and serve. Whose risk would you think is more noble?
And since blacks commit 50% of violent crimes yet comprise 13% of the population they put themselves into a really bad situation. But let's not hold them responsible. It's always whitey's fault. Gee, maybe you're the one who is racist?
Exactly.
Here’s a pic of Buffalo cops kneeling in solidarity with protesters just before they cracked a 75-year-old man’s head open. The NFL owners are no different- they have already showed us who they are. Don’t believe a word these lying fucks say.
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Honestly, I would wish all you anti-cop folks would get to live in a society without any cops to see how joyous that would be. I don't want any part of a criminal run society but if you can find a place to enjoy that sort of utopia have at it.
Bad cops deserve to be punished. There are mostly good cops and our lives as we know them depend on their protection. They risk their fucking lives for us every day and do not deserve to be punished or defunded. Be careful what you ask for.
Bad cops deserve to be punished. There are mostly good cops and our lives as we know them depend on their protection. They risk their fucking lives for us every day and do not deserve to be punished or defunded. Be careful what you ask for.
You're quoting disproven statistics and showing off your massive ignorance and unwillingness to engage in any of the discourse that has been going on recently.
Being a cop is NOT a particularly dangerous job, and they don't "risk their lives for us" in any appreciable way. A roofer or a farmer or a groundskeeper is more statistically likely to lose their life while working than a cop is; where's your slobbering veneration for those professions?. Furthermore, a large number of on-the-job police deaths come from the fact THAT THEY DRIVE AROUND ALL DAY IN TRAFFIC, which is inherently dangerous due to shitty urban planning and our over-dependence on personal vehicles. They are not dying in shootouts with narcos while selflessly shielding innocent civilians caught in the crossfire. You got your worldview from action movies, pretty much.
Furthermore, the existence of police and the carceral system CAUSES much of the violence you're so afraid of. Take all of the violence surrounding the drug trade -- it occurs BECAUSE drugs are illegal. A drug dealer who is ripped off cannot go to the authorities for legal action; therefore, they form their own means of policing, eg. violent retribution and enforcement.
Being a cop is NOT a particularly dangerous job, and they don't "risk their lives for us" in any appreciable way. A roofer or a farmer or a groundskeeper is more statistically likely to lose their life while working than a cop is; where's your slobbering veneration for those professions?. Furthermore, a large number of on-the-job police deaths come from the fact THAT THEY DRIVE AROUND ALL DAY IN TRAFFIC, which is inherently dangerous due to shitty urban planning and our over-dependence on personal vehicles. They are not dying in shootouts with narcos while selflessly shielding innocent civilians caught in the crossfire. You got your worldview from action movies, pretty much.
Furthermore, the existence of police and the carceral system CAUSES much of the violence you're so afraid of. Take all of the violence surrounding the drug trade -- it occurs BECAUSE drugs are illegal. A drug dealer who is ripped off cannot go to the authorities for legal action; therefore, they form their own means of policing, eg. violent retribution and enforcement.
