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zxwrx

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All these threads lately have scared me to the point of leaving the hobby. I have only ever gone three times and not with the mentioned girl but I think I need to leave this activity behind.

I know that risk is just as high with any other random girl but I would be safe anyways. i just don't see the point of any further risk.

So gentleman, I wish you all the best,

ZXWRX
 

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Hate to see you leave... but fully understand.

Remember that your concerns should not be limited to this industry. Don't think for a moment that picking up a popular girl at the local bar is any safer. She may not know where her "past" has been.

But you need to keep everything in perspective and realize the risk of getting killed on the 401 is probably higher than the odds of catching HIV... unless you're doing bareback of course.
 

zxwrx

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yes, i know what you are saying calloway and i will always have and will continue to be safe....

but yes i just think that seeing as i am quite young that there is no point in taking any unnessecary risks.....
 

zxwrx

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well obviously my mind is shot already......
your constant edits are fucing my mind
 

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Good luck zxwrx. I fully understand your decision, and I suspect you may not be the only hobbiest in this area to abandon the hobby. With any luck, Calloway and myself will be the only guys left in the K/W hobby scene. Ahhh, the dreams of $20 outcalls dancing around my brain. :D
 

zxwrx

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yes there are positives to every situation....
thanks for the farewell guys.
 

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CUTTERBUCK said:
Good luck zxwrx. I fully understand your decision, and I suspect you may not be the only hobbiest in this area to abandon the hobby. With any luck, Calloway and myself will be the only guys left in the K/W hobby scene. Ahhh, the dreams of $20 outcalls dancing around my brain. :D
I'll stay around too but I sure do understand the fear as I went through a time of anxiety and was thouroughly convinced, for no real reason other than being a hobbiest, that my days were numbered.
Although it was totally immagined it scared the hell out of me. Play safe.
 

zxwrx

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yes, i am sure the risk is real although i may be over estimating it.
i will stay on the board however because you guys are entertaining and i almost like "shopping around" more then the actual event.....
 

christiansho

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yes the whole "shop" around and get the best "deal" is the most exciting part! its hard to say no at times.... some are to die for ;)
 

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christiansho said:
yes the whole "shop" around and get the best "deal" is the most exciting part! its hard to say no at times.... some are to die for ;)
No Pun intended I hope
 

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zxwrx said:
All these threads lately have scared me to the point of leaving the hobby. I have only ever gone three times and not with the mentioned girl but I think I need to leave this activity behind.

I know that risk is just as high with any other random girl but I would be safe anyways. i just don't see the point of any further risk.

So gentleman, I wish you all the best,

ZXWRX
Statistically, the risk with "any other random girl" is lower. I just want to point that out. There's a lot of talk going on that seems to attempt to justify or downplay the risks inherent in this hobby. You get involved in this scene, you're at a higher risk. Know that, and be safe. End of story.

When you're fucking women that make a career out of fucking men (and I don't mean that in a disparaging way) you're at a higher risk. Chances are the girl you meet at a bar hasn't already had sex with 5 or more men that day. On the other hand, chances are your favourite SP has.

That being said, I made the same decision some time ago, and still can't peel myself off this board... the urge to dabble will be tough to ignore; but the humour here is worth it :)
 

gundam789

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I am not a huge fan of statistics , i find it real hard to take them seriously.
Does this hobby put you at higher risk of contracting STD`s? Yes it sure does.


"Chances are the girl you meet at a bar hasn't already had sex with 5 or more men that day"

We can`t generalize like this. You don`t know the life story of the girl that you meet at a bar.
How can you possibly know she did not have sex with several man that day?
Look at it this way, for example a prostitue has sex with 10 man in a day using condoms and a regular girl, that u meet at a bar, has sex with 2 guys in one day without using a condom.
Wich one do you think is at higher risk?
We can put any spin we like on this but in the end it boils down to one simple truth: there is no way in hell that you can determine if a person is HIV+ or not.
When i was younger i met some really screwed up girls and i mean really screwed up.
And this where girls from good family , most of them loaded with money and they would sniff coke all day and fuck guys left and right.
This so called " regular girls" have this fake sense of security regarding sex. Since most of the times this guys they are humping are either college friends or long time friends, they do not take in consideration HIV, so they get drunk and high and hump all day with no protection.
In general people in this hobby tend to be a little more scared and take more precautions and the same goes for working girls.
Also keep in mind that sex is not the only was this virus is tranmitted , in fact if i remeber correctly, on the article regarding this girl with HIV, it sayd she was an ex drug user, most likely an heroin addict.
So in theory are we at a higher risk? yes but ultimately the reality of it all it`s a little different.
Read this article

"Early studies suggest that Canadian female prostitutes are no more likely to be infected with HIV or other sexually transmitted diseases than other women, unless they are also intravenous drug users.[4] (W Darrow. Prostitution, Intravenous Drug Use and HIV-1 in the United States. In M Plant, supra, note 1.) Studies also show that in their sexual relations, sex-trade workers use condoms more consistently than other populations similar in age, race, and sex. [5] Further, with respect to female hookers, the fact that the transmission of HIV from female to male is so difficult would suggest that the sex trade is unlikely to be a source of the spread of HIV/AIDS. Early studies of men who use female prostitutes confirm this; they did not reveal a single case in which a client was infected by a prostitute. [6] It is far more likely, particularly in the current legal context, which excludes sex-trade workers from the protection of the law, that prostitutes are at risk from their clients."

http://www.walnet.org/csis/papers/bastow-aidslaw.html



Also keep in mind that this girls are more at risk from us then we are from them, since HIV is much easyer to transmit from male to female then it is from female to male.
 

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gundam789 said:
I am not a huge fan of statistics , i find it real hard to take them seriously.
Does this hobby put you at higher risk of contracting STD`s? Yes it sure does.


"Chances are the girl you meet at a bar hasn't already had sex with 5 or more men that day"

We can`t generalize like this. You don`t know the life story of the girl that you meet at a bar.
How can you possibly know she did not have sex with several man that day?
Look at it this way, for example a prostitue has sex with 10 man in a day using condoms and a regular girl, that u meet at a bar, has sex with 2 guys in one day without using a condom.
Wich one do you think is at higher risk?
We can put any spin we like on this but in the end it boils down to one simple truth: there is no way in hell that you can determine if a person is HIV+ or not.
When i was younger i met some really screwed up girls and i mean really screwed up.
And this where girls from good family , most of them loaded with money and they would sniff coke all day and fuck guys left and right.
This so called " regular girls" have this fake sense of security regarding sex. Since most of the times this guys they are humping are either college friends or long time friends, they do not take in consideration HIV, so they get drunk and high and hump all day with no protection.
In general people in this hobby tend to be a little more scared and take more precautions and the same goes for working girls.
Also keep in mind that sex is not the only was this virus is tranmitted , in fact if i remeber correctly, on the article regarding this girl with HIV, it sayd she was an ex drug user, most likely an heroin addict.
So in theory are we at a higher risk? yes but ultimately the reality of it all it`s a little different.
Read this article

"Early studies suggest that Canadian female prostitutes are no more likely to be infected with HIV or other sexually transmitted diseases than other women, unless they are also intravenous drug users.[4] (W Darrow. Prostitution, Intravenous Drug Use and HIV-1 in the United States. In M Plant, supra, note 1.) Studies also show that in their sexual relations, sex-trade workers use condoms more consistently than other populations similar in age, race, and sex. [5] Further, with respect to female hookers, the fact that the transmission of HIV from female to male is so difficult would suggest that the sex trade is unlikely to be a source of the spread of HIV/AIDS. Early studies of men who use female prostitutes confirm this; they did not reveal a single case in which a client was infected by a prostitute. [6] It is far more likely, particularly in the current legal context, which excludes sex-trade workers from the protection of the law, that prostitutes are at risk from their clients."

http://www.walnet.org/csis/papers/bastow-aidslaw.html



Also keep in mind that this girls are more at risk from us then we are from them, since HIV is much easyer to transmit from male to female then it is from female to male.
You're right, there's no way to know 100%. Common sense and "statistics", or for more palatable wording, "probabilities" would dictate that I'm not wrong in this. You're not wrong in saying that the girl you meet at a bar could have had sex with two men that day, both without a condom; but the SP is almost guaranteed to have had sex with multiple partners that day. The "OMG HIV!" thread would indicate that none of us have any idea whether or not even the SP used a condom every time. I know I've been with MPs and SPs that pushed the boundaries a bit further than they should have.

So, even without dragging math into this, look at your odds...

Random chick at bar may or may not have had sex with many, many partners.

vs.

SP who has sex with many partners as per job requirement.

I'd say that's pretty much a clear case of where you're going to find greater risk. The "girl at bar" scenario isn't really a generalization considering we're talking about SPs vs. randoms. I didn't say that the girl at the bar has NOT had sex with multiple partners, I said "CHANCES ARE" that she hasn't.

As I said above, you're right in that we can't be 100% sure; but we can play the probabilities. In order to play them accurately, we have to accept the fact that hobbying comes with greater risks. I'm not just stating the obvious here, it seems a lot of threads I've read over the years try to downplay this risk and I don't think that's such a good thing.

The more we all know, the safer we all are.
 

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I agree the risk of contracting STD`s is there, no questions about that. But after having done a lot of research on HIV transmission i am confident that condoms provide a very effective protection against HIV. And BBBJ is not a risk of HIV transmission from female to male.
Now if we take in considerations other STD`s then it`s a different story.
STD`s like herpes ,clahmidya, Syphilis etc... are much more robust then HIV and easyer to catch even with a condom since they can be also spread by body fluids.
But my main concern is HIV , not that i would like to catch other STD`s=) but i am not to worried about them since they can be cured and are not life threatening .
Now if you are scared of all STD`s in general then you should probably just quit this hobby because chances are eventually you will pick something up.
But moral of the story is that if you use condoms at all times and nothing goes wrong( like the condom breaks) it really does not matter who you are having sex with.
I am not trying to downplay this risk of contracting HIV this are just facts, you can look them up.All that crap about condoms not being highly effective again HIV and the virus being able to infiltrate in small holes in condoms it`s all BS. Condoms are tested in labs for HIV transmission.
Actually condoms having small holes from wich the virus can penetrate rumor was spread by the Roman catholic church to scare people from using condoms. Because has you should probably know the church prefers you not using condoms wile having sex, because it is considered a sin haha, got to love religions.



This girl Tasha was HIV positive and i am sure many members on this board had sex with her and most likely received BBBJ from her.
Well i would like to see how many actually have contracted HIV , i am willing to bet that not one person that has played it safe has become infected.
And like you sayd there are girls out there that are willing to engage in extremely risky activitys with theyr clients, well that is insane.
I would not have sex with my self without a condom :)
 

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gundam789 said:
Actually condoms having small holes from wich the virus can penetrate rumor was spread by the Roman catholic church to scare people from using condoms.
The catholic church has a lot to answer for, but this ain't one of them.

From the FDA website called How To Protect Yourself From AIDS
But natural membrane condoms, also called lambskin condoms, do not prevent HIV because the virus can pass through them... Latex and polyurethane condoms are the only birth control products that protect against HIV.
 

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Well....I don't know about you...

gundam789 said:
When i was younger i met some really screwed up girls and i mean really screwed up.
And this where girls from good family , most of them loaded with money and they would sniff coke all day and fuck guys left and right.
This so called " regular girls" have this fake sense of security regarding sex. Since most of the times this guys they are humping are either college friends or long time friends, they do not take in consideration HIV, so they get drunk and high and hump all day with no protection.
...but in MY world, we don't call those "regular girls", and we sure as shit don't fuck them without a condom....
 

gundam789

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That`s the point, you never know who you are dealing with.
You don`t think this working girls have a social life like every other girl in this world?
The only way you know this girls are "working girls" is because you come on Terb and read about them.
I`m sure plenty of this girls have boyfriends , husbands that have no clue on what they do =)
Look in the end it doesn`t matter we make our own decision and we are going to deal with the consequences.
I am thinking of quitting this hobby has well but not because of STD`s.

"But natural membrane condoms, also called lambskin condoms, do not prevent HIV because the virus can pass through them... Latex and polyurethane condoms are the only birth control products that protect against HIV. "

It`s known that lamb skin condoms don`t prevent HIV , but seriously who uses lamb skin condoms?
And regarding FDA? Don`t even let me get started on them :)
If you think the FDA cares about your health you got it all wrong.
And i am not one of those freaks that is against conventional medicine or thinks HIV is a conspiracy theory lol.
I just think the FDA and all those drug companys out there are nothing but a bunch of legalized drug dealers and the only think they are interested in is what`s in your wallet.
Just look how many teenagers and adults they are messing up with benzodiazepine now days ( like xanax etc..) and theyr BS theory on chemical imbalance.
PS and i speak from experience because i am a victim of benzos and the complete and utter ignorance of some of this SO CALLED doctors out there.
 
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