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kherg007

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Putin has already said Estonia and the Baltics next, as well as Poland.
Thus keep appeasing him Neville. Remember Russia agreed not to invade in exchange for ukraine giving up nukes.
Hitler only wanted the sudetenland in the Munich conference w Chamberlain. Then no more territorial ambitions. A year later Poland gets invaded and the rest of czechoslovakia absorbed.
 
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Ukrainians are raising their hands, and rightfully so. So we have no other moral choice than to support the country that is being invaded.
 
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Putin has already said Estonia and the Baltics next, as well as Poland.
Thus keep appeasing him Neville. Remember Russia agreed not to invade in exchange for ukraine giving up nukes.
Hitler only wanted the sudetenland in the Munich conference w Chamberlain. Then no more territorial ambitions. A year later Poland gets invaded and the rest of czechoslovakia absorbed.
where has he said that? he was quite clear in the tucker interview he would not attack NATO unless they attacked. If you really believe what you say then the entire west should be scrambling to mobilize. Urkaine cannot win, we need conscription. Canada's militray spending should go from 20B to 100B and masssive tax hikes should be passed. The Canadian military should be increased by 10 or 20x to about 600K
 

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Ukrainians are raising their hands, and rightfully so. So we have no other moral choice than to support the country that is being invaded.
That's nonsense. All we are doing is sacrifcing a generation of Ukrainians and participating in the destruction of a nation. If we want to free Ukraine from Russia and if what people like you say is not the rubbish I think it is. then WWIII has already started and NATO needs to send 1M troops to Urkaine to stop Russia.
 

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Putin has already said Estonia and the Baltics next, as well as Poland.
Thus keep appeasing him Neville. Remember Russia agreed not to invade in exchange for ukraine giving up nukes.
Hitler only wanted the sudetenland in the Munich conference w Chamberlain. Then no more territorial ambitions. A year later Poland gets invaded and the rest of czechoslovakia absorbed.
Any references or personal opinion?
 

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That's nonsense. All we are doing is sacrifcing a generation of Ukrainians and participating in the destruction of a nation. If we want to free Ukraine from Russia and if what people like you say is not the rubbish I think it is. then WWIII has already started and NATO needs to send 1M troops to Urkaine to stop Russia.
It's crazy how many people support Ukraine when in fact they are supporting the destruction of the country. They do not understand the term "Proxy war". The usa will pump money and destroy Ukrainian lives to try to weaken Russia.
 

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That's nonsense. All we are doing is sacrifcing a generation of Ukrainians and participating in the destruction of a nation. If we want to free Ukraine from Russia and if what people like you say is not the rubbish I think it is. then WWIII has already started and NATO needs to send 1M troops to Urkaine to stop Russia.
We are not sacrificing Ukrainians. Ukrainians are choosing to fight and lay down their lives for their country. As any patriotic people would. Their diplomats and politicians are working with our countries to secure aid, necessary for that fight. This is not a conspiracy and our moral position should be to support people who are being invaded. Not the invader.
It's crazy how many people support Ukraine when in fact they are supporting the destruction of the country. They do not understand the term "Proxy war". The usa will pump money and destroy Ukrainian lives to try to weaken Russia.
When you are fighting for your country's survival, destruction of your country does not matter. The country can be rebuilt, but capitulation means you lose your identity and your freedoms. Ukrainians feel that way, which is why they continue to fight.
 

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where has he said that? he was quite clear in the tucker interview he would not attack NATO unless they attacked. If you really believe what you say then the entire west should be scrambling to mobilize. Urkaine cannot win, we need conscription. Canada's militray spending should go from 20B to 100B and masssive tax hikes should be passed. The Canadian military should be increased by 10 or 20x to about 600K
When Hitler was given Czechoslovakia, he thanked spineless asshole Neville Chamberlain and promised that he wouldn't grab Poland. Or France. Or any other country.

And spineless cocksucker asshole Neville Chamberpot believed Hitler and came back waving the deal that gave Hitler Czechoslovakia and said that they had won "Peace in our time."

Hitler lied. So does Putin.
 

mandrill

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He flat said no to this when questioned by Tucker Carlson.
Well, there you go then.

And Putin has never said ever, ever, ever before that he would ever, ever, ever invade Ukraine ever, ever, ever either..... Oh, just a minute. Putin DID actually say that he wouldn't invade Ukraine. And he lied about that.

But he's not lying this time, is he? Because Tucker Carlson is your big hero and Tucker would never be lied to by a brutal, mass murdering dictator, would he?
 

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That's nonsense. All we are doing is sacrifcing a generation of Ukrainians and participating in the destruction of a nation. If we want to free Ukraine from Russia and if what people like you say is not the rubbish I think it is. then WWIII has already started and NATO needs to send 1M troops to Urkaine to stop Russia.
No.

The Ukrainians are kicking Russky ass-ky, just fine-sky. They just need more guns, ammo, planes and tanks to do it with.
 

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Any references or personal opinion?
Here's a start. Every western intelligence agency knows this BTW.
Putin doesn't overtly tip his hand. Look at his invasion of Crimea. He has a pattern.
Also he's calling for the arrest of various Baltic leaders, and has been moving troops. He says they're damaging Russian statues and hassling russians or shit like that. Same rationale he used to invade Ukraine. BTW, no invader comes right out and invades. They cook up bs justifications. So if you're looking for a direct quote you're not going to find it. Even GWB had to do 'weapons of mass destruction " and Hitler had to stage bogus attacks on Germans in Poland to justify his invasion. This shit is in history books you would have read in high school.
 

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See my post above.
Have to admit although I read all of your cited articles I have no faith in anything written in The Guardian.

You said that Putin said one thing and I simply showed that as of last he said the opposite.

I don't discount that he is lying through his teeth either.

I'll tell you one thing, Mr. Trudeau can drop his climate agenda nonsense however...The carbon produced by this war will far outweigh any impact of Canada trying go carbon neutral.
 

kherg007

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Have to admit although I read all of your cited articles I have no faith in anything written in The Guardian.

You said that Putin said one thing and I simply showed that as of last he said the opposite.

I don't discount that he is lying through his teeth either.

I'll tell you one thing, Mr. Trudeau can drop his climate agenda nonsense however...The carbon produced by this war will far outweigh any impact of Canada trying go carbon neutral.
Ya gotta check his track record, as you note. He said he didn't kill people he had killed, he told Trump he didn't interfere (despite US Intel and republican led senate report) said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine or georgia....

Moreover the guardian is simply just reporting previous Putin speeches. You cannot think of Putin as a politician. He's an autocratic/totalitarian/dictator. All autocratics behave the same. It's always goes in one direction. There are tons of books on how this happens. I would suggest interested folks read some recent stuff by Brian Klaas, Ruth BenGhiat, or older stuff Wliiam L Shirer.
 
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Here's a start. Every western intelligence agency knows this BTW.
Putin doesn't overtly tip his hand. Look at his invasion of Crimea. He has a pattern.
Also he's calling for the arrest of various Baltic leaders, and has been moving troops. He says they're damaging Russian statues and hassling russians or shit like that. Same rationale he used to invade Ukraine. BTW, no invader comes right out and invades. They cook up bs justifications. So if you're looking for a direct quote you're not going to find it. Even GWB had to do 'weapons of mass destruction " and Hitler had to stage bogus attacks on Germans in Poland to justify his invasion. This shit is in history books you would have read in high school.
28% of the Estonias population is Russian. And you think its ok to rip up Russian monuments? How about we start tearing up mosques in Canada or Jewish monuments, Chinese monuments. Its cultural genocide. Yet you think its OK? what happens to the 300K Russians that live there. If they flee who's problem is it? What are people like you so triviliaze such events. If it was unimportant, why would she do it? and why is she doing it?
 

nottyboi

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Ya gotta check his track record, as you note. He said he didn't kill people he had killed, he told Trump he didn't interfere (despite US Intel and republican led senate report) said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine or georgia....

Moreover the guardian is simply just reporting previous Putin speeches. You cannot think of Putin as a politician. He's an autocratic/totalitarian/dictator. All autocratics behave the same. It's always goes in one direction. There are tons of books on how this happens. I would suggest interested folks read some recent stuff by Brian Klaas, Ruth BenGhiat, or older stuff Wliiam L Shirer.
The final report say the US election issue was an insider. Not the Russians. Putin speechs are always quoted out of context. Most people in the west have 10 second attention spans so its easy to do. He did say the breakup was a tragedy, but not that it broke up. more how it was done. With pockets of Russians being severed from their home country. And the wars we see are the effect. Now the Baltics are trying to etnically cleanse the Russians and counting on NATO protection. Would you be willing to die for Estonia?
 
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