going slow with an SP

[Svend]

You need to do a donut crumb test first!

 

[fuji]

You're kidding yourself if you want to get the "nice and slow" treatment in a 30-minute session. Get a girlfriend instead.

That's sort of not the point. I'm happy to book longer. The point is to increase the % on whatever time period. The question here is, in this vein, how to get the most out of whatever time period? Talk about how to get the most out of 1hr or 2hr if that makes the question easier to answer.

ps: On the off topic "communicating" thing, the actual offense is "communicating in public", once you are in a private place, that is not an offense. Sounds like your friend got charged with "keeping a common bawdy house" which really has nothing whatever to do with communicating, it has to do with keeping a place (eg: her own place) that you use as the site of a prostitution business. Incall is always illegal for this reason, whereas outcall can be legal.

 

[pussylicker]

Summarizing what we have so far:
-- ask (any suggestions on how to put this best?)
-- book longer sessions
-- work on making her feel good
-- find a better SP

Well. Those are pretty much the obvious ones. Any other thoughts?

Book a long session doesn't really answer it in my opinion. Let's say I book a 30min session, out of which there's 10min of chatting followed by 10min of sex. In 30min you only expect one SOG so in this case I am walking out the door after just 20min or so. If I book an hour instead, maybe I will have two 10min SOG or one 20min SOG, but my "ratio" has not improved. See what I'm getting at? What I would rather is find a way to have a 20min SOG in the 30min, or a 40min SOG in the hour, 80min out of 120, etc.

Another way to say this is how to get more (longer) bang for your buck out of whatever session you book. In that respect I think the "pleasure her" suggestion is a good one, and obviously "ask" is. "Find a better SP" may be the only good answer with some SP's but I'd really hope for more suggestions like "pleasure her" that would likely help in any situation.

Also, any thoughts on changing the way the compensation works? Brushing away the "professionalism" aspect for a moment, there is an incentive for an SP to make you pop ASAP, since she gets paid the same whether you walk out the door in 10min or 30min, and obviously 10min is a lot less time "working" for her. (And I'm sure that while SP's must really enjoy some sessions, there is only so much sex you can have in one day before it really does become "work").

So, it seems to me there are two ways to go: "Manipulative" approaches that get "more time" for the same buck, which cold as it sounds, I am interested in. There may also be "financial" incentives that align the SP's interests with your own interests.

Take the case of a 30min session. Perhaps you could offer her $100 just for showing up plus $5 per minute of active sexual activity. That way she could earn $150 for the typical 10min case, but if she could draw it out to 20min she'd earn $200 for the same session. The problem with this is getting people to agree to that and possibly arguing about how it works. It's just not the way people do things, so a lot of SP's would be reluctant to change their normal billing practice just for you, even if it's potentially more lucrative. It's an idea though.

Other thoughts?

You could compare this to some lap dancers. I like to spend time with them, and not really rush, but at $20 a pop, they either tease you to get more money out of you, or in the case of dancers at Friction and Fantazia, they go for the gusto, and "charge the going rate", and try to get you off in a song or two. Then on to the next guy(volume).

 

[PHNINE]

One big difference between sex with an SP, and sex with a regular chick, is that once you start on the action, most SP's will do everything she can to make you cum as soon as possible. Also, some SP's seem to prefer to spend more time doing a BJ/HJ, etc., if it means it cuts down on the amount of time you spend fucking, by getting you hotter. Not that I'm really complaining. Once you're going though, they usually concentrate on trying to make you cum. For example, esp. in doggy style, sometimes an SP will use their hand to stroke you a bit more, so you cum faster.

Now when I have sex with a non-SP it is never like that. It's a lot slower, we take breaks, switch around more, and the chick is usually more interested in how she feels than on making me cum. Sometimes we stop and play for awhile before starting up again. Some of this happens a bit with some of the better SP's, but I have never had a session with an SP nearly as satisfying as with a chick who is into it for the fun of it.

So, here is the question... how to try and get this with an SP? I don't want to hear the usual terb crap about "respect her", that is a given, and too abstract to be of much use. I also don't just want a list of SP's with better service. I want to hear ideas on what can be done with any SP to try and work more towards this slow style like it is with a regular girl.

I've tried just saying "let's go slow" with some SP's, and often that works. That is probably the simplest and most obvious thing--just tell her what you want. Other ideas? I don't want to negotiate or complain, that'll kill my mood if it doesn't kill hers. I've also thought about monetary incentives, like, specifying a tip on the base rate dependent on duration, but negotiating that could be confusing and also a mood killer.

Another simple thing to do is just pull out half way and play for a bit, but some SP's seem to get upset by this, I guess from their point of view, fucking is what they are getting paid for, and perhaps they think if you draw it out they are not getting paid enough or something. Most SP's don't complain, but some do, I've had an SP tell me I was taking too long.

Well, I want to take too long!

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Here is my advice. I get great mileage out of SP's and I almost always get the experience you are talking about Fuji when I am with an SP. Now remember, this only works if you have deep pockets and plan on seeing this particular SP again. If you or any other member reading this post is the type of hobbyist to book an SP once, or lives paycheck to paycheck to hobby, then I suggest you just get bang for your buck, pun intended. However, if you are a hobbyist like me, as I stated above then try this out.

When booking with an SP, obviously treat her with respect when she gets there that is given you are right. There is no reason to treat her like a peice of meat otherwise she will do the same. Try to talk to her, make conversation, ask her about how she got into the business or what she thinks of the business. This right away shows her your not a prick and you kind of have a grasp for the hobby. Let business be taken care of first, never make the girl ask. Try to create the most non-threatening environment for her as possible. If the TV is on when she arrives, turn it off as you sit on the couch. Offer a drink, a joint, whatever it is you do when entertaining SP's. At this point, always offer a massage. Regardless of who gets it first you always make sure that you put effort into making her feel good. Use oils, cremes, play some music, and for god sake take your time. Most men grab a little here, grab little there and then just want to get straight to the fucking. How are you suppose to have a fun session when you act like this right?

Ok, so when done with the massage, you get into the good stuff. Regardless if it is oral or just kissing and touching take your time. Enjoy the SP you are with, try to please her and show her what feels good for her. I won't give away my trade secrets but I will give you one key peice of advice. TAKE YOUR TIME TO PLEASE THE WOMEN!!!!

The reason you find sessions with non-SP's hotter then the ones with SP's Fuji, is because the non-SP's are reacting to the things you are doing and being appreciative about it. This in fact turns men on, and sure as hell makes the men feel like they are doing something right, and of course this makes for a better lover. Ok so here is the key to my success with SP's. When caught up in all the making out, oral, 69 whatever it is you do, when the actual time for intercourse comes, decline it. Yes, I said decline it. Tell her, that you can have sex anytime, but making out with her is just as pleasing. Finish the session with all your focus on her, and pleasing her only. I know this may go against some of your hobbying policies, but trust me this works. She will have left the session pleased, granted that is if you satisfy her, and I haven't had that problem, I always manage to satisfy the SP. The next time you book her, she will know she is coming into a fun session, she will not have the pressure of getting you to cum as quick as possible. Then in a future booking when the time is right and you feel like the guards are let done you fuck the shit out of her. Of course in the respectful way I discussed above. LOL

Try this slow down technique out, and I ensure you the sessions you have with SP's will be more casual and more like that of sex with non-SP's. I hobby hard, and all the SP's I have seen have loved me as a client for this specific reason. Give it a try as I am providing some valuable hobbying techniques here. Then again FARK you all, there can only be one PHNINE....LOL

Good luck Fuji, hope this helps, or at least made for an interesting read.

 

[yoniluvrca]

Here is my advice. I get great mileage out of SP's and I almost always get the experience you are talking about Fuji when I am with an SP..... TAKE YOUR TIME TO PLEASE THE WOMEN!!!! ....

Good post. You have hit the nail directly on the head concerning the GFE in my opinion. It can not really be 'bought'. You have to actually take the time (& spend the money) to seduce the girl, though she may be an Sp.

The real turn on for a man is how the woman responds in response
to what he does. Though most of us know when a woman is faking, we often go along with it and receive sub-standard service. As you say, deep pockets are needed.

The true GFE is possible in a one off hour long session, but it is absolutely a hit and miss thing. It is governed by luck and perhaps the stars lining up just so.

Phnine has written here a way not to ensure the GFE, but a pretty good method to stack the cards in your favor.

 

[PHNINE]

Just trying to help, even when on vacation...LOL

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=106185

 

[baci2004]

Here is my advice. I get great mileage out of SP's and I almost always get the experience you are talking about Fuji when I am with an SP. Now remember, this only works if you have deep pockets and plan on seeing this particular SP again. If you or any other member reading this post is the type of hobbyist to book an SP once, or lives paycheck to paycheck to hobby, then I suggest you just get bang for your buck, pun intended. However, if you are a hobbyist like me, as I stated above then try this out.

When booking with an SP, obviously treat her with respect when she gets there that is given you are right. There is no reason to treat her like a peice of meat otherwise she will do the same. Try to talk to her, make conversation, ask her about how she got into the business or what she thinks of the business. This right away shows her your not a prick and you kind of have a grasp for the hobby. Let business be taken care of first, never make the girl ask. Try to create the most non-threatening environment for her as possible. If the TV is on when she arrives, turn it off as you sit on the couch. Offer a drink, a joint, whatever it is you do when entertaining SP's. At this point, always offer a massage. Regardless of who gets it first you always make sure that you put effort into making her feel good. Use oils, cremes, play some music, and for god sake take your time. Most men grab a little here, grab little there and then just want to get straight to the fucking. How are you suppose to have a fun session when you act like this right?

Ok, so when done with the massage, you get into the good stuff. Regardless if it is oral or just kissing and touching take your time. Enjoy the SP you are with, try to please her and show her what feels good for her. I won't give away my trade secrets but I will give you one key peice of advice. TAKE YOUR TIME TO PLEASE THE WOMEN!!!!

The reason you find sessions with non-SP's hotter then the ones with SP's Fuji, is because the non-SP's are reacting to the things you are doing and being appreciative about it. This in fact turns men on, and sure as hell makes the men feel like they are doing something right, and of course this makes for a better lover. Ok so here is the key to my success with SP's. When caught up in all the making out, oral, 69 whatever it is you do, when the actual time for intercourse comes, decline it. Yes, I said decline it. Tell her, that you can have sex anytime, but making out with her is just as pleasing. Finish the session with all your focus on her, and pleasing her only. I know this may go against some of your hobbying policies, but trust me this works. She will have left the session pleased, granted that is if you satisfy her, and I haven't had that problem, I always manage to satisfy the SP. The next time you book her, she will know she is coming into a fun session, she will not have the pressure of getting you to cum as quick as possible. Then in a future booking when the time is right and you feel like the guards are let done you fuck the shit out of her. Of course in the respectful way I discussed above. LOL

Try this slow down technique out, and I ensure you the sessions you have with SP's will be more casual and more like that of sex with non-SP's. I hobby hard, and all the SP's I have seen have loved me as a client for this specific reason. Give it a try as I am providing some valuable hobbying techniques here. Then again FARK you all, there can only be one PHNINE....LOL

Good luck Fuji, hope this helps, or at least made for an interesting read.

Sage advice PHNINE, you are clearly wise beyond your years.

I wish I had adopted that mentality in my twenties, lucky for me I can still pass for 28.

The technique you have described is really rather deep, so much so that the folks who wrote the book on NLP have coined a term for it. ( I can't remember what it is)
On the surface you have put a womans feelings/pleasure before your own which is paramount in any relationship weather it's paid for or not. As long as you are dealing with a person.
The real underlying theme or nuts and bolts of your technique is that you resisted a beautiful woman or what she was offering; this makes you 10 times more attractive to her than the next guy. Most guys will fall to their knees in the face of beauty, kiss ass, spend their last dollar and pretty much lap up whatever she offers...if she does. Only the men who are able to set themselves apart from these mooks will truely realize what it feels like to be treated like a king.


Don'tcha just wake up every morning and thank God that you get "it"???

 

[baltimoron]

Just go with the flow. The more mechanical you make it, the more mechanical it's going to be. And that's what you were trying to avoid in the first place.

 

[MyLilPoony]

A combination of Baltimoron and EOTD works for me.

EEEEEK.
EOTD, take note. LOL

If you want it slow, take it slow, communicate your wishes. SP's are normal people who do not have ESP. Communicate and if still no go, then you have learned a lesson. Move on and stick to the ones you like.

Ciao.

 

[PHNINE]

Sage advice PHNINE, you are clearly wise beyond your years.

I wish I had adopted that mentality in my twenties, lucky for me I can still pass for 28.

The technique you have described is really rather deep, so much so that the folks who wrote the book on NRP have coined a term for it. ( I can't remember what it is)
On the surface you have put a womans feelings/pleasure before your own which is paramount in any relationship weather it's paid for or not. As long as you are dealing with a person.
The real underlying theme or nuts and bolts of your technique is that you resisted a beautiful woman or what she was offering; this makes you 10 times more attractive to her than the next guy. Most guys will fall to their knees in the face of beauty, kiss ass, spend their last dollar and pretty much lap up whatever she offers...if she does. Only the men who are able to set themselves apart from these mooks will truely realize what it feels like to be treated like a king.


Don'tcha just wake up every morning and thank God that you get "it"???

Sage comments from one TERBite to another. Much appreciated Baci.

Over the years I have learned that my ways have won over many ladies, SP's and non-SP's. I pass on these techniques thanks to my membership to TERB. Otherwise going to the grave with my learned strategies on handling relationships with women. I am able to resist beautiful women because I have been around them all my life. I was lucky as a young buck (although only being 24 now) to have had my share of the beautiful women from this side of the earth to the far east. I do wake up every morning thanking god of my health and well being. I can only hope all my fellow TERBites endulge like I do.

I have not met many TERBites in person, but I have to say meeting you was a pleasure of mine and I am glad to of made the effort in doing so. Thanks again for making me feel like apart of the team.

BTW, please find out this term that the writers of the NRP have coined on my technique. Only to bath in my own glory...LOL

One more thing, you don't look a day over 29. 28 is stretching it buddy...LOL Just kidding...

 

[baci2004]

Sage comments from one TERBite to another. Much appreciated Baci.

Over the years I have learned that my ways have won over many ladies, SP's and non-SP's. I pass on these techniques thanks to my membership to TERB. Otherwise going to the grave with my learned strategies on handling relationships with women. I am able to resist beautiful women because I have been around them all my life. I was lucky as a young buck (although only being 24 now) to have had my share of the beautiful women from this side of the earth to the far east. I do wake up every morning thanking god of my health and well being. I can only hope all my fellow TERBites endulge like I do.

I have not met many TERBites in person, but I have to say meeting you was a pleasure of mine and I am glad to of made the effort in doing so. Thanks again for making me feel like apart of the team.

BTW, please find out this term that the writers of the NRP have coined on my technique. Only to bath in my own glory...LOL

One more thing, you don't look a day over 29. 28 is stretching it buddy...LOL Just kidding...

I will reply when I am sober. I just noticed a typo in my post that's errking me. It's NLP not NRP (Neuro linguistic programming)

 

[PHNINE]

I was waiting for my man to come try and steal some of my thunder...LOL Alright since your in the 17K post range, I'll let you have this one...

Official Announcment - PHNINE's Slow Down Technique is also known as the Pleasure Principle.

Alright there you go share the thunder...

 

[PHNINE]

No no, I think the reason we get along is because we are both modest hobbyists. I have no problem sharing this one with you. As we have both benefited so much from it. Let the other TERBites decide which one to call it. As for us, I share my title with pleasure buddy...

 

[baci2004]

Sage comments from one TERBite to another. Much appreciated Baci.
I have not met many TERBites in person, but I have to say meeting you was a pleasure of mine and I am glad to of made the effort in doing so. Thanks again for making me feel like apart of the team.

Thank you for the kind words!

BTW there is no team here, it's every man for himself.

Terb is just a long dark, dank narrow hallway with cum splattered velveteen walls illuminated only by black light; where personal information is doled out with blatant disregard; where the stench of ignorance, abomination and urine would curdle your blood; to succinctly sum it up...it's a place where pimps and whores run free and good men die like dogs!

D'oh I'm sorry, that's the other board!!!

Welcome to the team!!!

 

[train]

Just remind her that you booked for the whole half hour ...........

Wouldn't you have to rush things in this case ?

 

[PHNINE]

Terb is just a long dark, dank narrow hallway with cum splattered velveteen walls illuminated only by black light; where personal information is doled out with blatant disregard; where the stench of ignorance, abomination and urine would curdle your blood; to succinctly sum it up...it's a place where pimps and whores run free and good men die like dogs!

D'oh I'm sorry, that's the other board!!!

LMAO!!!! Thanks buddy...I do feel welcome now.

BTW, have you been reading my vacation thread?

 

[PHNINE]

"I am able to resist beautiful women" this PHNINE strikes me more as the Prince of Bullshit and not the Prince of Poon.

The profoundly silly thing about this thread is that someone is interested in turning a SP experience into a real girlfriend experience. To coin a phrase "Duh!" If you want a girlfriend, get a girlfriend. If you want some outstanding professional sex and enjoy meeting the person providing it; use the Board, study the reviews and you will have a good result.

Don't try to convinve the chefs at Ruth's Chris to improve the selection for vegans.

The Prince of Poon is able to resist beautiful women, this has come from plenty of years of hobbying in many different locations. But hey, if you want to give me another Prince title that is fine by me...LOL I have been called worse.