Giving Jew's Israel after 2000 year.
- Thread starter Mickee
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I presume you are familar with such legal actions as the Maine Indian Land Claims and the Oneida Land Claim in New York. Likewise the Mashantucket Pequot Indian Land Claims and the Mashpee Wampanoag land claims. Also the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988.Mickee said:
Not to forget the on again - off again Passamaquoddy Land Claim in New Brunswick, which of course has a certain deep irony when one of the arguments advanced in the Maine Indian Land Claims was "we were loyal (Revolutionary War) Massachusetts Indigenous People.
Somehow I'm not sure about the reaction of Arab Governments to similar legal action.
Nobody got it worse than the Indians in the USA, but wasn't Canada also Indian Land before the rest of us got here also. The Indians got screwed by everybody.
As crass and unsympathetic as it may sound
"To the winners go the spoils"
North & South American Indians defeated by Europeans because
1. They were at a technological disadvantage (horses, guns & most importantly antibodies to ward off European infections)
2. They did not put aside tribal differences & band together in a common cause to fight the Europeans.
Its tough not to see the similarities between that conflict & the middle east issue
1. Israel has a very modern well equipped military. Arab oil $ might level this field one day
2. Arab states, & nut job groups (like Hamas) do not care for each other (Iran vs. Iraq etc) & will likely never join forces against Israel in an effective way
"To the winners go the spoils"
North & South American Indians defeated by Europeans because
1. They were at a technological disadvantage (horses, guns & most importantly antibodies to ward off European infections)
2. They did not put aside tribal differences & band together in a common cause to fight the Europeans.
Its tough not to see the similarities between that conflict & the middle east issue
1. Israel has a very modern well equipped military. Arab oil $ might level this field one day
2. Arab states, & nut job groups (like Hamas) do not care for each other (Iran vs. Iraq etc) & will likely never join forces against Israel in an effective way
What the Europeans did to the Indians would be comparable to what the Jews did to the Caananites when they first came to the promised land. It would also be comparable to what the Arabs did when they first arrived in the holy land.
That doesn't compare to the current conflict.
That doesn't compare to the current conflict.
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oh tell us more great scholar of Islam and Middle Eastern history of what the Arabs did when they arrived in the holy land?Cinema Face said:
of course you cant possibly mean giving religious rights to everyone as long as they didnt pick a fight with the Muslims, in fact they were so nice that when they got as far as Spain the Jews welcomed them. What historians refer to as the "Jewish golden age" was under Muslim rule, the fact that a single Jew or Christian still exists in the Middle East is testament to the type of rule that Islam brought on.
Now go on with your usual tactics of quoting texts from writings 200 years after Muhammad's death and try to pass them off as official Islamic teachings to the un educated, or telling us about Al Qaeda or Saudi Arabia as to what Islam represents
Of course that is if you consider the high Jizya (tax), being uable to ring church bells, and the Devşirme be wonderful benifits of Islamic rule.scouser1 said:
What ever.crystalpalace said:
I am not an expert on the Middle east
However I do know they all hate the Jews & most hate their neighbors, the US, Great Britain & who ever else is convenient or insults them for whatever reason
(Iran vs. Iraq is the best example- barbaric war in the 80s)
As a group they appear to focus their energy on hating someone
Too bad, it makes one wonder what they could accomplish if they focused on creating rather than destroying. This area after all was the cradle of mankind
It also makes me wonder who, they would focus that hatred on, if they were somehow to defeated Israel
You don't have to go back that far in history. Israel and Malaysia are both modern examples of primarily religious states which nevertheless show great tolerance for people of other religions living within their borders. One is a Jewish state with a sizeale Muslim minority that is well treated; the other is a Muslim state with sizeable non-Muslim minorities that are well treated.scouser1 said:oh tell us more great scholar of Islam and Middle Eastern history of what the Arabs did when they arrived in the holy land?
I don't think this is really a religious issue: Iraq, Syria, and Egypt are secular nations and not particularly religious and yet nevertheless have ethnically cleansed their Jewish minorities. Iran and Saudi Arabia have both done it despite practicing very different versions of Islam, and having quite different cultures.
So I don't think what the Arabs (and Iranians) have done to Jews is any result of the Islamic religion specifically--though I think some extremist Islamists themselves may think so--but really, many of the worst abuses of Jews happened in secular Arab states.
No, I think this is more along the lines of what you yourself seem to suffer from--plain old garden variety bigotry and racism.
Yup the good old, life under the Umayyad Caliphate and the Ottomans was just soooo wonderful how dare you raise ugly facts.Other Wanderer said:
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It doesn't hurt to know a little about something before formulating an opinion, ya know? I don't blame you though. We are bombarded with BS everyday through our media and it's hard to sift through and figure whats fact and whats fiction.JohnLarue said:
Your post could (unfortunately as much as it hurts me by saying it) describe the United States. After all we did go to war in Vietnam, half a world away from home with little to no strategic gains and a repeat of the same in Iraq now. Does that make the US also a hate mongering country who hates whoever inconvenient or insults them?
He wouldn't really know, he's an infidel himself. Maybe he can also persuade Secret Admirer about how lovely the Muslims were to Aryan Persians.Inferno said:
This article pretty much sums up what Islam did when it came to the holy land.scouser1 said:oh tell us more great scholar of Islam and Middle Eastern history of what the Arabs did when they arrived in the holy land?
of course you cant possibly mean giving religious rights to everyone as long as they didnt pick a fight with the Muslims, in fact they were so nice that when they got as far as Spain the Jews welcomed them. What historians refer to as the "Jewish golden age" was under Muslim rule, the fact that a single Jew or Christian still exists in the Middle East is testament to the type of rule that Islam brought on.
Now go on with your usual tactics of quoting texts from writings 200 years after Muhammad's death and try to pass them off as official Islamic teachings to the un educated, or telling us about Al Qaeda or Saudi Arabia as to what Islam represents
1400 years of Islamic aggression:
What on earth does your poll question mean? Were you actually attempting to ask "After 2,000 years was the U.N. mandate in 1947 logical?"Mickee said:
