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Robio1971

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Do they make one that will replace a double 15amp circuit on one outlet?

I have a couple of out lets in the kitchen that have two circuits on each of them. I would rather not terminate one of the circuits or have to cut another out let in if I do not have to.
I would also like to stay away from GFI circuit breakers because I like the reset on the outlet.
I could not find any solid info online but I may not be using the correct terminology or the terminology they use.
 

Cassini

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Yes. They are a code requirement, but can be difficult to find. Try an electrical supply store.
 

Gentle Ben

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Robio1971 said:
Do they make one that will replace a double 15amp circuit on one outlet?

I.
MY understanding, from an electrician that I work with from time to time, says the new Ontario code for kitchens is 20 amp circuits with a 20 amp GFCI, the code was changed due to the fact that no split 15 amp GFI are available, now, a work around might be to install GFI on each circuit at the breaker panel, and wire the kitchen circuits to the load of the GFI, then the kitchen circuits would be protected from the GFIs at the panel, a little bulky & cumbersome, but I imaging that would pass inspection etc.
 

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Gentle Ben said:
now, a work around might be to install GFI on each circuit at the breaker panel, and wire the kitchen circuits to the load of the GFI, then the kitchen circuits would be protected from the GFIs at the panel, a little bulky & cumbersome, but I imaging that would pass inspection etc.
And much more expensive than a GFI outlet per location. A GFI breaker is about $150, a GFI outlet $15-20
 

Tangwhich

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The first thing that comes to mind, is why do you want to change what you have?

The code book can be open to interpretation and this is one of those things that you'll hear electricians argue over what's correct. Here's what the code books says, rephrased into plain English:

You have to have split receptacles along the back of your kitchen counter so that at no point along the back of the wall is more than 900mm from a plug. It can't be directly behind the sink however and the sink itself does not count in that 900mm measurement.

Alternatively, you can install 20amp plugs. You must have at least 2 of them and adjacent plugs must be on different circuits. No circuit can have more than 2 plugs on it.

For a while this was a choice given to the electrician to pick from.
As of Jan 1st 2003 a new requirement came into effect requiring that any plug within 1m of the kitchen sink must be GFI protected. If you refer to the above rule about 900m, that means that the plugs on either side of the sink must be GFI. Since there are no split GFI plugs, it essentially made the split plug rule void.

So your choices now:
Do you have #12 wire? If you do, you can get 2 x 20amp GFIs, connect one to one circuit and the other plug to the other circuit. Cap off the extra wires and you're done. However it's extremely unlikely that your wire is #12, so it's probably not an option. Do not do this if you have #14 wire.

Put regular plugs, split as normal and put a double pull 15amp GFI breaker (assuming they make these, I honestly don't know - never installed one).

Remove the #14 wire and replace with 2 runs of #12 wire and put 20amp GFI plugs in your kitchen.

Or, just leave it as it. If it's an old house, you're within the code of when it was made and it's fine to leave it as is. Unless you're doing some major renovation, in which case ESA may require you to "upgrade" your wiring to current code.
 

Robio1971

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I may be ok because it is an older house and just leave it unless I find a GFI out let that works in this application.

Just seems like something that should be available but I was un-able to find it
 

Tangwhich

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Robio1971 said:
I may be ok because it is an older house and just leave it unless I find a GFI out let that works in this application.

Just seems like something that should be available but I was un-able to find it
I'm 99% sure that nothing like what you're looking for exists. It's just not needed. If people are renovating, they just upgrade or they leave it as is. I just did a quick google search and was unable to find any reference to one. One thing is for sure, if such a plug does exist, it will be EXPENSIVE.
 

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My two cents worth as a Electrician. GFI's are only required if a receptacle is within 1m of a sink. If this is not the case, you do not need a GFI plug. If it is within 1m, you need a GFI. They DO NOT make a split GFI, as the plug checks for a difference between the hot and neutral(sorry for the tech terms). You cannot split a GFI, so you can either use the existing wires and only hook up one GFI per hot lead and neutral, or pull new wires and install a 12/2 cable and hook up a 20 GFI, which may be then able to accomadate another 20 plug after the initial GFI plug(the load side of plug) Only one maybe added after the GFI.
PM me if you need some additional info hope this helps
 

Tangwhich

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finamart said:
You cannot split a GFI, so you can either use the existing wires and only hook up one GFI per hot lead and neutral,

Doing this will be a code violation because it will be a 15amp GFI, not a 20 amp one.
 

Gentle Ben

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Tower said:
And much more expensive than a GFI outlet per location. A GFI breaker is about $150, a GFI outlet $15-20
Re read my post, I said a work around might be to install GFI on each circuit at the breaker panel, and wire the kitchen circuits to the load of the GFI, then the kitchen circuits would be protected from the GFIs at the panel, a little bulky & cumbersome, but I imaging that would pass inspection etc., not add a gfi breaker to each circuit
 

Robio1971

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The out lets are less then 3 ft /1m from sink but the Ins home inspector let it go due to the age of the house
 

Robio1971

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GFI breakers have to be tested frequently, not sure how often they are required to be tested but the outlets do not require testing. From what I herd it is more then once a year . Kind of a pain in the back side
 

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Robio1971 said:
GFI breakers have to be tested frequently, not sure how often they are required to be tested but the outlets do not require testing. From what I herd it is more then once a year . Kind of a pain in the back side
it is recommended that all gfi devices, receptacles and breakers, be tested MONTHLY.
if the insurance inspector let it go, then you should too...
when you renovate the kitchen, then follow the interpretation of the local ESA guy
 
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