Gerald Stanley found not guilty in death of Colten Boushie

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Much as I sympathize with Stanley, Fluffy makes a good point. If you suffer from FAS, your ability to choose your course of action and "do the right thing" is severely compromised. It's not a matter of "smartening up". A FAS sufferer's brain chemistry is screwed. Every judge and lawyer in this province knows this for a fact.

So your family history isn't relevant here.
So Boushie and his crew had FAS?
 

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So Boushie and his crew had FAS?
Maybe. We'll never know.

But on Fluffy's theory, he did. FAS is a common reason for out of control criminal behaviour. And I am going to guess FAS is pretty common in Native communities.
 

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Too bad.

Just because someone grows up in a crappy environment doesn't mean they are "destined for stupidity". You make life how you want. And just because millions of people around the world (more like a billion) are brought up in lousy situations, doesn't mean you go around drinking, looking for trouble and stealing people's property.

Some people do it. Some people are law abiding and don't cause trouble.

Unfortunately for this kid, he ran into the wrong home and the guy grabbed a gun and started shooting. What could have happened is that nobody was home and they stole shit (which is what they admitted to be focused on that day).

Hey, my parents (like millions of others) came to Canada long time ago. Broke, didn't know English, got placed in high school knowing nobody or English and graduated when they were something like 20, which a few years behind everyone else who grew up in Canada. My dad got his degree doing night classes for who knows how long, while he worked the day.

They were broke , but didn't cause trouble and my dad didn't buy the family's first car until he was about FORTY years old. Yes, 40. The family took the bus everywhere rain or shine since there was no subway where they lived for the first 20 years until they moved.

See? Not everyone is "destined for stupidity".
I think the 'destined for stupidity' comment was specifically pointed at the 'Fetal Alcohol Syndrome' comment.
If you have FAS, especially if it is severe, you have some very serious developmental and cognition issues. Not the person's fault, but to be a little crass, they almost certainly ARE 'destined for stupidity'.
Not saying any of these people have or had FAS, just trying to clarify the comment.
 

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Maybe. We'll never know.

But on Fluffy's theory, he did. FAS is a common reason for out of control criminal behaviour. And I am going to guess FAS is pretty common in Native communities.
If there is no proof the guy is deranged with FAS condition, then why bring it up?

You are guys are making assumptions that because he's from a Native community, his home life screwed up, everyone is an alcoholic and he was among a group of people looking for trouble as he has FAS.

Don't make assumptions trying to prove a point.
 

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I think the 'destined for stupidity' comment was specifically pointed at the 'Fetal Alcohol Syndrome' comment.
If you have FAS, especially if it is severe, you have some very serious developmental and cognition issues. Not the person's fault, but to be a little crass, they almost certainly ARE 'destined for stupidity'.
Not saying any of these people have or had FAS, just trying to clarify the comment.
You might do dumb things too if you were born in some squalid Indian reservation, grew up in a dysfunctional, alcohol abusing culture, poorly educated, malnourished. And if you are afflicted by Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, you are destined for stupidity.
The "destined for stupidity" FAS claim is part 2. His part 1 claim for Boushie looking for trouble was his prior sentence. So what fluffy is saying is basically.... if you come from a Native community, you can do dumb things.

And I agree.

But my opinion still stands that just because you may come from a environment that is lousy, it doesn't mean it's a green light to do stupid things. And in this case, he got unlucky and ran into a guy with a gun. The crew were looking for trouble and got trouble back.

Got to use your head.
 

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26 Every one who is authorized by law to use force is criminally responsible for any excess thereof according to the nature and quality of the act that constitutes the excess.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 26.

Marginal note:Use of force to prevent commission of offence

27 Every one is justified in using as much force as is reasonably necessary

(a) to prevent the commission of an offence

(i) for which, if it were committed, the person who committed it might be arrested without warrant, and

(ii) that would be likely to cause immediate and serious injury to the person or property of anyone; or

(b) to prevent anything being done that, on reasonable grounds, he believes would, if it were done, be an offence mentioned in paragraph (a).


Extracts from Criminal Code. If Stanley didn't claim the rifle discharged accidentally, would he have a defence under 2.27 of the Code??

The problem with the "racism" argument is that Stanley was acquitted by 12 jurors. The jury wasn't hung by 2 or 3 racists. Now think: - A rural jury is going to be a mixed batch. A couple of racists? - Maybe. But also a few conscientious, decent people who just wanted to make a fair decision.

Unless you accept that SK is a cesspool of racism, you have to believe that at least some of those jurors who voted for acquittal felt that Stanley acted in an acceptable and reasonable way.
No. Hence his attorney rejecting that as it would be difficult to sustain 'reasonably' under the circumstances.
Small correction, it wasn't a rifle but a Tokarev semi auto pistol.
 

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I said this before, I think Stanley used excessive force given the info I've read.

The counter is that Stanley went shooting because he thought his wife was mowed down (literally), and cars were jostling for position bumping into things. So he claims given the situation he had to grab a gun. Then he said "it just went off" as if he didn't mean to shoot him.

I can see him being freaked out and wanting shoot people to put an end to the situation, but I think it was overboard. Then again, I'm not in his shoes.
 

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If there is no proof the guy is deranged with FAS condition, then why bring it up?

You are guys are making assumptions that because he's from a Native community, his home life screwed up, everyone is an alcoholic and he was among a group of people looking for trouble as he has FAS.

Don't make assumptions trying to prove a point.
Oagre's assumptions sound pretty racist to me.
 

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Maybe. We'll never know.

But on Fluffy's theory, he did. FAS is a common reason for out of control criminal behaviour. And I am going to guess FAS is pretty common in Native communities.
At the end of the day, it's irrelevant. There is science that suggests serial killers and pedophiles are born that way... and I don't doubt these behaviors are based on genetic predispositions. So, these folks lost the genetic lottery. They have no choice and it's sad.

But those of us born without these issues must still protect ourselves from the aforementioned people. It might be in your genetic makeup or destroyed genetics (due to disgusting parental drug and alcohol abuse) to want to come in and kill me and take my things, but I'm going to blow your head off with my shotgun when you try.
 

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Instances like this are unfortunate, but they make for a better society. They showcase the pitfalls of fucking with people's property and livelihood. This makes people more lawful because they don't want to end up like Boushie. In doing so, the sense of law and order is strengthened and instead of living in a fearful lawless third world shithole, we live in a place of peace and prosperity, based on trust, kindness, and dignity. Protecting yourself and your family from harm is as fundamental as it gets.
 

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At the end of the day, it's irrelevant. There is science that suggests serial killers and pedophiles are born that way... and I don't doubt these behaviors are based on genetic predispositions. So, these folks lost the genetic lottery. They have no choice and it's sad
So you are defending serial killer and pedophile behaviour and filing it away as "they have no choice"?
 

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So you are defending serial killer and pedophile behaviour and filing it away as "they have no choice"?
I'm not defending their behavior. Defending their behavior would mean I think there should be no consequences for it. But if you read my next sentence, you can clearly see that not only do I advocate for consequences, I suggest the consequences may necessarily be fatal for them.
 

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I suspect that statistics back me up.
When do statistics matter to you and when are they considered irrelevant or even racist? There was a thread about a month ago where I presented you with a metric fuckton of scientific data and statistics and your response to it was: You're racist.

What gives, counselor?
 

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When do statistics matter to you and when are they considered irrelevant or even racist? There was a thread about a month ago where I presented you with a metric fuckton of scientific data and statistics and your response to it was: You're racist.

What gives, counselor?
Kind of like your 'metric fuckton' of scientific data that points to serial killers and pedophiles being hardwired and having "no hope"?
 

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Kind of like your 'metric fuckton' of scientific data that points to serial killers and pedophiles being hardwired and having "no hope"?
I don't think there is any question that finding children sexually attractive has a genetic basis. Most people are naturally repulsed by the idea yet pedos desire children with the same fervor that a normal man desires a woman. I'm shocked if you find this to be a revelation. Perhaps do more reading about it.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=gene...ome..69i57.12407j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I've not said that serial killers and pedos have no hope.
 

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I don't think there is any question that finding children sexually attractive has a genetic basis. Most people are naturally repulsed by the idea yet pedos desire children with the same fervor that a normal man desires a woman. I'm shocked if you find this to be a revelation. Perhaps do more reading about it.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=gene...ome..69i57.12407j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I've not said that serial killers and pedos have no hope.
My bad... your exact words were "they have no choice".
 

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He was tried by the jury of his peers and found to be not guilty. What else is there to say? To suggest, like some do, that certain groups should be given special consideration, is unthinkable.
 

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As already said what in many ways is worse in that not only the Minister of Justice but the Prime Minister thought it appropriate to wade in to criticize the verdict and imply that they want to do something to change the jury system in Canada.
 

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As already said what in many ways is worse in that not only the Minister of Justice but the Prime Minister thought it appropriate to wade in to criticize the verdict and imply that they want to do something to change the jury system in Canada.
Agreed. I wonder if there will be backtracking this week.
 
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