George Galloway 'beaten over Israel comments'

[gryfin]

I'll give it one last try. If this doesn't work, I'll just have to accept that you have certain limitations when it comes to reading and writing.

Consider the following:

Yes, Gryfin may be a semi-literate buffoon who couldn't pass a high school English exam, but why must we assume that also applies to Groggy?

That is a question. But the first part of the sentence is a declarative statement. The word "may" is being used to concede the point, not to express doubt (believe me, there is no doubt about the point being made in the first part of the sentence).

Do you finally understand?

Yes, we've all read your misunderstandings ad nauseam. Your incessant need for adolescent ad hominem attacks and pleading "believe me" are transparent indications of a frustrated and weak mind.

As for your example, no, the use of the verb "may" in the first clause of your interrogative sentence is not declarative but expresses possibility and/or probability (I'm sure you meant clause and not statement but we'll let that one go).

Now, you've said this is your last try. Who wants to bet that is not the case. Fussbudgets like yourself can never let go.

 

[fuji]

Gryfin continues to debate minutia, meanwhile there is no real dispute that Hamas is fundamentally a criminal, terrorist organization.

Aside from the thousands of counts of attempted murder associated with the rocket attacks, aside from the kidnapping and murder of children, aside from the use of hospitals/schools/mosques as military sites, aside from the brutal murder of Palestinians without trial, aside from its historic bombing campaign, aside from all that Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by most of the world's democracies including Canada, the US, Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel, Japan, and the United Kingdom.

 

[gryfin]

Take another look at Post #155. It was Gryfin who started this debate, not me.

As for the ICC, I'm not a lawyer, but it strikes me that if the ICC were to weigh in on Israel's efforts to defend itself from terrorist attacks, it would be recognizing Hamas' terrorist activities as a legitimate form of warfare.

I don't think I'm "deathly afraid" of that possibility but I do think it would be a huge mistake. My understanding is the ICC generally doesn't have the authority to investigate terrorism.

Actually it was basketcase in the post before. You should strive for accuracy.

 

[fuji]

Actually it was basketcase in the post before. You should strive for accuracy.

Here's accuracy:

Hamas is a terrorist organization and anyone who supports Hamas supports terrorism.

 

[gryfin]

Here's accuracy:

Hamas is a terrorist organization and anyone who supports Hamas supports terrorism.

No, that's hasbara.

 

[fuji]

No, that is a fact. Ask the governments of Canada, the US, Australia, the European Union, Israel, Japan, or the United Kingdom.

It is actually law that Hamas is a terrorist organization and anyone providing material support to Hamas is a criminal.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Who wants to bet that is not the case. Fussbudgets like yourself can never let go.

Wrong. I have given up trying to help you elevate your reading and writing skills to at least a high school level. Go hire a tutor.

Actually it was basketcase in the post before. You should strive for accuracy.

Wrong again. It was you who started the debate about the use of the word "may." In post 155, you put the word "may" in bold, creating the false impression that the Carter Center spokesman was expressing doubt, when the reality is that he was conceding that Hamas used civilians as human shields.

Actually, Fuji raises an interesting point. Why does it surprise you so much that members of a terrorist organization behave like terrorists?

 

[gryfin]

Wrong. I have given up trying to help you elevate your reading and writing skills to at least a high school level. Go hire a tutor.



Wrong again. It was you who started the debate about the use of the word "may." In post 155, you put the word "may" in bold, creating the false impression that the Carter Center spokesman was expressing doubt, when the reality is that he was conceding that Hamas used civilians as human shields.

Actually, Fuji raises an interesting point. Why does it surprise you so much that members of a terrorist organization behave like terrorists?

Drinking early today? Sorry chump, it was basketcase who introduced the Carter Center quote in #154. I simply corrected his interpretation. And then yours. That's got to hurt.

But I did warn everybody that a fussbudget like you couldn't leave it alone.

As for your comments about terrorists, I thought we were talking about Hamas. You know, the freedom fighters resisting a racist and supremacist ideology that brought about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and drives a brutal and illegal 40 year occupation

 

[basketcase]

Right now Abbas is holding from filing and allowing elections because after this round of slaughter he lost popularity and Hamas won.
The ICC is his last card, once he plays that he's got nothing left....

So it's about political points, not justice or human rights. Nice.


p.s. In a democracy elections aren't a choice. The Palestinian elections are 6 and 7 years overdue.

p.p.s. Fatah has been polling well ahead of Hamas for most of that time yet there was no election.

p.p.p.s. It's pretty pathetic that Palestinians support shifts to the people who started a destructive war, not the people who have been building their economy.

 

[gryfin]

So it's about political points, not justice or human rights. Nice.


p.s. In a democracy elections aren't a choice. The Palestinian elections are 6 and 7 years overdue.

Hopefully the military occupier will allow elections. They certainly don't want them if they think that Hamas will win.

 

[basketcase]

Drinking early today? Sorry chump, it was basketcase who introduced the Carter Center quote in #154. I simply corrected his interpretation. ...n

You might look up the definition of the term 'corrected'. Either you are pathetically lying to make your hateful point or you should join johnlarue in bashing teachers because you didn't learn anything from them.

 

[gryfin]

You might look up the definition of the term 'corrected'. Either you are pathetically lying to make your hateful point or you should join johnlarue in bashing teachers because you didn't learn anything from them.

Looks like it's you who should be complaining about your education.

 

[groggy]

In other words the Palestinians are once again turning their backs on moderation, peace, and negotiation and once again choosing aggression, atrocity, and war crime.

It becomes clearer and clearer that you openly support a terrorist organization. I hope the government investigates you to find out whether you have ever contributed funds to a terrorist group or otherwise violated Canada's anti terrorism laws

I support what appears to be a genuine move away from terrorism by Hamas, by both their tactics in this last round of slaughter, their support of elections and a unity government and their support of bringing in the ICC.

You've in the past supported Mandela and the IRA's moves away from terrorism, but due to your colonial racist roots refuse to allow this to be a possible option for Hamas, or one you'd even support. You need to be able to label them as terrorists to continue to insist on subhuman treatment for Palestinians, that's the only reason you won't support them moving away from terrorism.

 

[basketcase]

Hopefully the military occupier will allow elections. They certainly don't want them if they think that Hamas will win.

What a pile of shit. There is one reason that there has been no election and you know it has nothing to do with Israel. Neither Hamas or Fatah want an election that may mean diminished power so their alleged 4 year terms of office are going on 10 and 11 years.

Posts like the one I quoted makes me thing that fuji is right. You are being paid to make the anti-Israel crowd look bad.

 

[basketcase]

Looks like it's you who should be complaining about your education.

Is "I know you are but what am I" the best response you have?

 

[basketcase]

I support what appears to be a genuine move away from terrorism by Hamas, by both their tactics in this last round of slaughter, their support of elections and a unity government and their support of bringing in the ICC.....

Wow. That goes beyond whopping lies.

Only grog would call a couple thousand indiscriminate rockets, many fired from civilian areas, using a hospital as a military HQ, storing weapons in schools and medical clinics, summary executions, and kidnapping children to be moving away from terror.

 

[gryfin]

Is "I know you are but what am I" the best response you have?

Evidently its your best response.

 

[Moviefan-2]

It was basketcase who introduced the Carter Center quote in #154. I simply corrected his interpretation.

In other words, the debate began with the false characterization of the Carter Center quote in post 155. That's what I said.

You know, the freedom fighters resisting a racist and supremacist ideology that brought about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and drives a brutal and illegal 40 year occupation.

"Freedom fighters"!!!

 

[gryfin]

In other words, the debate began with the false characterization of the Carter Center quote in post 155. That's what I said.



"Freedom fighters"!!!

Perhaps some remedial reading is in order. The incorrect interpretation began in #154 and it was corrected in #155.

And thanks for recognizing the unstoppable drive for human freedom that the Palestinian resistance embodies.

 

[Moviefan-2]

And thanks for recognizing the unstoppable drive for human freedom that the Palestinian resistance embodies.

You mean like the rallying cry, "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas"?

I certainly recognize that for what it is.