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galt

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http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/05/29/477687.html

Clark, McLellan: They had it made

Greg Weston learns of a secret plot by the Tories and Liberals to rig key ridings in 2000 election

By Greg Weston




JUST WHEN it seemed federal politics couldn't get any sleazier, Sun Media has learned that a group of powerful Tory and Liberal backroom operatives secretly conspired to bolster the Grit national campaign and skew the results in a number of ridings in the last federal election. Two weeks before Jean Chretien called the country to the polls in October 2000, reliable sources say, a small group of top Tory officials cut a secret deal to help Chretien's ultimately successful national campaign for a third majority government.

In return, the Liberals agreed to throw the vote in the Calgary Centre riding of then Tory leader Joe Clark.

In what may have been a series of similar deals, sources say the Tories also agreed to "stand down" to help Liberal Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan hang on to her Edmonton seat, which she won by only 733 votes.

Sources refuse to divulge details of what, exactly, the Tories agreed to do for the Liberals. One would say only that the deal "without question, helped them (the Liberals) nationally.

'GOT WHAT THEY WANTED'

"They got what they wanted ... They were able to do some things right away (in the campaign) that they otherwise couldn't have done. The benefit to them was far beyond Calgary. The election was effectively over after the first week."

If a backroom pact got McLellan elected in 2000, she is in dire trouble this time around as Liberal popularity tanks in Alberta.

With the Liberals and Tories splitting much the same vote in 2000, all the national PC organization had to do to help McLellan was nothing.

A strong Conservative candidate supported by the national party could well have stripped away the 734 Liberal votes from McLellan that would have given the riding to the Canadian Alliance candidate, Betty Unger.

Instead, the Tories acclaimed Rory Koopermans to run, a then 25-year-old political neophyte with almost no money or organization.

'THAT'S JUST TERRIBLE'

Koopermans says he knew nothing of any backroom deal, and that he campaigned hard, even though he had "absolutely no chance" of winning and got barely 6% of the votes cast.

But he does admit he got no financial or organizational help from the national party, and not even an encouraging phone call from the Tory leadership.

"If that happened," Koopermans said of the deal, "that's just terrible. It's wrong."

A reliable source with direct knowledge of the arrangement affecting Clark's riding and the Liberal national campaign said "very, very few people knew of this -- like fewer than the fingers on my one hand."

The senior officials involved in the deal deliberately told neither Clark nor McLellan anything about it, ensuring the politicians could not be blamed if the story leaked into the media.

The source would not divulge specifics of the deal, only that it was "fairly straightforward and it was honoured on both sides."

Clark had entered the campaign with abysmal polling numbers pointing to an almost certain defeat.

Instead, the former Tory leader won by 4,304 votes after a bizarre campaign in which a group called "Liberals for Clark" suddenly popped up from nowhere to back him.

With a week to go in the campaign, an Ipsos-Reid poll showed former Liberal supporters were stampeding to Clark. Grit candidate Joanne Levy won only 17% of the vote on election day.

Levy vigorously denies she was part of any plot to throw the vote, and says she knew little of the mysterious group of "Liberals" who came to the Tory leader's rescue.

It is impossible to say how much all these backroom deals changed the outcome of the election. Perhaps McLellan, Clark and dozens of other candidates had their fates sealed by a backroom handshake two weeks before the election even started.

We will never know.
 

xarir

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galt said:
[Sources refuse to divulge details of what, exactly, the Tories agreed to do for the Liberals. One would say only that the deal "without question, helped them (the Liberals) nationally.

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A reliable source with direct knowledge of the arrangement affecting Clark's riding and the Liberal national campaign said "very, very few people knew of this -- like fewer than the fingers on my one hand."

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The source would not divulge specifics of the deal, only that it was "fairly straightforward and it was honoured on both sides."

It's an interesting story, but there's no proof. While I could accept the story as a possibility, I will instead file this one under "supposition and rumour-mongering" for now.
 

galt

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xarir said:
It's an interesting story, but there's no proof. While I could accept the story as a possibility, I will instead file this one under "supposition and rumour-mongering" for now.
A valid point xarir but how many stories like this, adscams, gun registries, Grand Mere hotel scandles,HRDC Billion dollar boondoggles etc. will there be before Canadians figure out that the Liberals rely on subtrafuge to slough of soft conservative and NDP support.

As far as Joe Who goes this guy was the Liberals' best friend and was more a red tory clinging on to the vestages of what could have been if he weren't such a baffoon. This man had the ego of trudeau and the mind of John MacCallum....a dangerous mix
 

ceo8888ca

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galt said:
As far as Joe Who goes this guy was the Liberals' best friend and was more a red tory clinging on to the vestages of what could have been if he weren't such a baffoon. This man had the ego of trudeau and the mind of John MacCallum....a dangerous mix
John MacCallum has a mind ? Please....

He was brought in by the PM to tell Martin not to rebell, because then he can be replaced. Before the PM had a chance to bring MacCullum through a few cabinet posts, Martin made his move.

Look for MacCullum to quit after this election when he does not get the Finance Minister post.

:)
 

galt

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ceo8888ca said:
John MacCallum has a mind ? Please....

He was brought in by the PM to tell Martin not to rebell, because then he can be replaced. Before the PM had a chance to bring MacCullum through a few cabinet posts, Martin made his move.

Look for MacCullum to quit after this election when he does not get the Finance Minister post.

:)
God forbid MacCallum should get ANY post. This is the former defence minister and current minister of veterans' affairs who openly admitted he didn't even know what Dieppe was.

Thing is, I find that Joe Who is equally as moronic as MacCallum just that his ego doesn't allow him to recognise it
 

pussylicker

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ceo8888ca said:
John MacCallum has a mind ? Please....


:)
Looks and speaks like the town drunk. I'm sure he was really on top of things during last years blackout. And his buddy Bill Graham babbles away too. They should be sitting in rocking chairs, beside Joe Clark, and not trying to run (control) the country.
 
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