Gawker Claims Video Exists of Rob Ford Smoking Crack

[slowandeasy]

Clearly I live in a different world than you. I still have faith in Rob Ford as a fellow with a well established public record of trying to do the right thing for taxpayers and all people in his city. I don't care if the Mayor has smoked a little weed recently or smoked a lot of weed in the past as Rob Ford has publically and freely acknowledged when asked this question directly by some reporters. To me Rob Ford seems to be a big, old school fellow who speaks his mind freely and does good things for his community. These are qualities of character that I admire. I also agree and support his faith in traditional family values. Not everyone likes Rob Ford, but clearly many other people do. I agree with many of his ideas for the growth and improvement of his city( like talking to some folks in Nashville recently about music in Toronto ) and his ideas about subways for Toronto as opposed to bicycle lanes and electric trains. Give em Hell Rob Ford ! Go Ford Nation . As it stands here now in my neck of the woods on Nov. 1st 2013 -as I understand things- is that Mayor Ford has not been charged with any criminal wrong doing nor accused of any professional impropriety. We will all see soon enough how all this Human drama plays out.... Sincerely, Jon .

Jon, that nicely sums up the appeal that Rob Ford had. Notice I use the word had.
I supported Rob until Lisi was arrested for dealing drugs.

I agree Rob has always tried to "do the right thing for taxpayers", and despite his many character flaws
many of us supported him.

However, there have been too many instances where Rob has shown incredibly poor judgement, while we can and should accept politicians will have flaws, Rob's seem very fatal bordering on criminal.

Good intentions are one thing, but you can't fuck up so badly at such a high level and then try to rely on your good intentions. The city of Toronto is not a family picnic.

On top of that Rob has not f'ed up city hall even more, and has set back the fiscal responsibility movement to ground zero..

 

[slowandeasy]

Highly likely..LOL

What do you know that we don't Fred... You can pile on Ford and let us know what his handle is, but the resulting publicity for TERB might be a bit too much... :biggrin1:

 

[slowandeasy]

:Eek:
Warmington makes a pretty good point.

How would any of us fair if we were followed for a few months, and had our phones taken and perused through, had computer activity searched, and on-line activity recorded, and scrutinized by our families/ friends/ colleagues let alone the entire general public!!??

Answer honestly...

I know there's things that would certainly look suspicious, (my time spent on THIS forum being one of them), if not down right immoral! Would I want my girlfriend, or kids reading my reviews? :O. Fuji, what would your wife think of you if she saw YOUR on line activity???

Most if not all of us take precautions, (deleting computer history, use of hobby phones, pay cash for hobby transactions, cover tracks etc) and that is just with our hobby activity. How many are also drug users? Even if only occasional? In the terms of THIS forum- who knows who some of you guys are in R-L! :Eek: I KNOW there are doctors, lawyers, accountants, bankers and leaders of industry here, and likely elected officials too... )

Anyone who has not done anything similar in their life should step forward and throw that first stone at Ford.

(Disclaimer For groggy/ da fooj, and a few others: I am NOT defending Ford. He MOST certainly needs to step aside, but lets not kid ourselves here- none of us would fair much better if we were subject to the same scrutiny...)

I agree with your logic and had posted this before the Chief Blair's press conference and the release of the police reports.

The answer is quite simple: I had wanted to run for City Council a few years ago, and sill have some political aspirations. The moment I decide to enter the political fray, I would make a list of all the stupid shit I have done over the years, and ensure that I either have good explanation for it or if I am prepared for it to get exposed and accept the embarrassment.

I would erase distance myself from TERB. I would not be partying with my druggie friends or relatives. If I suspected some of my friends were still involved in illegal activities, I would certainly make sure that I kept my distance.

I would have to stop hobbying and that would hurt..

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

Rob Ford sex tape? This just went to level 12!

http://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1pqil0/second_rob_ford_video_an_alleged_sex_video/

 

[MattRoxx]

No argument from me there... which is WHY I say he needs to step aside.

Care to answer the question now? How would you fair Matt?

Since the Gawker video came out...well I have to admit that I have rolled my bike through several stop signs on side streets. But I hope there are no CCTVs rolling next Tuesday night LOL!

But it's not just his misdeeds, it's the utter hypocrisy he's shown. I've done drugs, and am in favour of Insite and other programs to help addicts, I don't go around insulting people for showing compassion and wanting to help.

Your keen insights into drug use are, as you say, quite obvious. Sincerely, Jon .

Yes let's talk about "keen insights into drug use". Ford supporters may have selective amnesia but I don't. Let's go back and read what Councilor Ford says about current Mayor Ford:

If they have to dry out in jail, great
Toronto should consider building crematoria beside crack houses if the city’s proposed drug strategy is implemented, city councillor Rob Ford warned yesterday.

The councillor, who has battled addiction in his own family, blasted a new report by Toronto Public Health on combating alcohol and drug use in the city. The report recommends the city distribute crack pipes and other paraphernalia to addicts and explore opening safe injection and inhalation sites.

“It’s euthanasia. You’re just giving them a place to kill themselves. That’s what is going to happen. You might as well just have a crematorium beside the crack house,” Mr. Ford said.

He said these “harm reduction” strategies only encourage addicts to continue their drug use.

“You’re not helping them, you’re enabling them,” Mr. Ford said. “They’re going to smoke that crack whether you give them those crack pipes or not. They’re going to shoot that heroin whether you give them clean needles or not. If people want a change, it has to come from within.”

 

[slowandeasy]

If Ford were found to be merely smoking pot and getting drunk he wouldn't have a problem, as you say, most of us are no better than that. But crack, cocaine, etc., is beyond the stuff ordinary people do. I also think people would look the other way if he hired the odd prostitute.

But smoking crack in particular shows incredibly poor judgement.

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!

There is so much bullshit in your post that it turned brown. This is really offensive.The hate for Rob Ford was always about his fiscally conservative position, his bombastic ways, that he was not part of the name brand wearing, Louis Vuitton crowd who played the political game by "saying all the right things." This is what you are doing now Fuji, trying to say "the right things".

The fact is that if Ford had come out saying that it was him in the video, and that it was all a hoax, or that it was week in the pipe, you and the Ford Haters would still have crucified him.

Like your boy Rob Ford, if you would just tell the truth, we would have more respect for you. Instead, like your boy Rob Ford, you drop this pile of steaming, smelly dung on us.

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!

There is so much bullshit in your post that it turned brown. This is really offensive.
The hate for Rob Ford was always about his fiscally conservative position, his bombastic ways,
that he was not part of the name brand wearing, Louis Vuitton crowd who played the political game by "saying all the right things."

Initially true, 100%, then followed by an extreme distaste for a guy who has no personal shame level, lies endlessly rather than facing his personal and public failings, and spends a lot of time consorting with thugs and scumbags.

I am of the opinion that if Ford picked up the phone and called Navigator and did a public contrition routine, his popularity would pop right back up and he'd win the next election without much effort.

BUT his own stubborn resistance to reality (ADDICT 101!) is keeping him from ever doing so. He would even get NEW support from people that would never vote for him otherwise, because like it or not, the guy's story is captivating along with being maddening, boorish, thuggish, vindictive and out-of-control.

 

[fuji]

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!

There is so much bullshit in your post that it turned brown. This is really offensive.
The hate for Rob Ford was always about his fiscally conservative position, his bombastic ways,
that he was not part of the name brand wearing, Louis Vuitton crowd who played the political game by "saying all the right things." This is what you are doing now Fuji, trying to say "the right things".

Like your boy Rob Ford, if you would just tell the truth, we would have more respect for you. Instead, like your boy Rob Ford, you drop this pile of steaming, smelly dung on us.

Don't talk with your mouth full of crow. You have been ludicrously refusing to believe that Ford smoked crack for months, saying ridiculous things like the Star made up all these stories to hurt Ford, when they have just been reporting accurately. Now that you have a dozen eggs dripping from your face it's time for you to reevaluate the bullshit you have treated us to, the hypocritical and absurd accusations you hurled at the Star and the Globe.

If you review my posting history you will find me praising Harper as an effective politician whose politics I disagree with. I am not a stupid partisan lunkhead like you.

I have been critical of Ford first and foremost because he is a liar, and more recently because he is a ditherer. In the beginning I never imagined he would also turn it to be a low life with a crack addiction, surrounded by thugs and murderers and drug dealers. But he is.

He is an embarrassment, completely ineffective, and associated with the worst criminals in the city.

 

[slowandeasy]

Initially true, 100%, then followed by an extreme distaste for a guy who has no personal shame level, lies endlessly rather than facing his personal and public failings, and spends a lot of time consorting with thugs and scumbags.

I am of the opinion that if Ford picked up the phone and called Navigator and did a public contrition routine, his popularity would pop right back up and he'd win the next election without much effort.

BUT his own stubborn resistance to reality (ADDICT 101!) is keeping him from ever doing so. He would even get NEW support from people that would never vote for him otherwise, because like it or not, the guy's story is captivating along with being maddening, boorish, thuggish, vindictive and out-of-control.

Well written yyy.... I can't speak for everyone, but I do believe that people like myself are so sick of the BS.
When i say BS, I am referring to Fujis post that is so full of it, we would rather give a guy like Ford an opportunity.

I do believe that Ford might win alot of support if he came clean and begged forgiveness. I might even believe that Ford was telling the truth and did have good intentions. However, I would not be voting for him or supporting his re-election. Like Lance Armstrong, I supported Ford till almost the end. Like Lance, Ford not only denied, he fought back hard against his critics.

Luckily for us, Ford is too stubborn to play that card. Again, as much as I dislike what he has done, I would have respect for him to come out and say, I fucked up, I resign.

 

[MattRoxx]

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!


The fact is that if Ford had come out saying that it was him in the video, and that it was all a hoax, or that it was week in the pipe, you and the Ford Haters would still have crucified him.

Yes I'd crucify him for any of that since the FACT is that they'd all be lies. It was not a hoax, it was not week in the pipe. And remember - Ford the fat fuck, the hypocrite, the Cadillac Escalade-driving, entitled, elitist asshole is still in denial mode.

 

[slowandeasy]

Don't talk with your mouth full of crow. You have been ludicrously refusing to believe that Ford smoked crack for months, saying ridiculous things like the Star made up all these stories to hurt Ford, when they have just been reporting accurately. Now that you have a dozen eggs dripping from your face it's time for you to reevaluate the bullshit you have treated us to, the hypocritical and absurd accusations you hurled at the Star and the Globe.

If you review my posting history you will find me praising Harper as an effective politician whose politics I disagree with. I am not a stupid partisan lunkhead like you.

I have been critical of Ford first and foremost because he is a liar, and more recently because he is a ditherer. In the beginning I never imagined he would also turn it to be a low life with a crack addiction, surrounded by thugs and murderers and drug dealers. But he is.

He is an embarrassment, completely ineffective, and associated with the worst criminals in the city.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY DAY

I absolutely delighted in reading your two posts this morning.

Thank you for the second post... I love that one even more...

It is refreshing to see that both you and your Twin Brother Rob Ford have shown their true colors (although I am sure that this is not the first time).

I freely admit that I did not believe the star, I admit that I think they were out to hurt Rob Ford. I admit that I thought their attempts to connect the dots were
a big stretch.

I admit that he has proven an embarrassment to the city. Actually, if you want to check my posts, you can see that since the arrest of Lisi, my position has changed.
I admit that I believed Rob Ford when he said that he did not take crack or was not a crack addict.

What has not changed is my position that the star sensationalized as many things about Ford as they could. No one at the star might admit they had an agenda but
it was quite obvious they did. Good for them that their accusations were proven correct. It does not diminish the fact that in between the facts they did as much to smear
Rob Ford as they could.

The issue I had was never about Rob Ford smoking crack on a video. It was about the fact that you, the star and others hated Ford because you did not like his politics,
his looks and his personality. It was about the fact that yourself, the star and others had convicted him without adequate proof. Yes, there was supposed to be a video, yes a few reporters saw it, yes there were
many different incidents, but everything circumstantial. Until the police came forward with information, you had nothing.

See, I am admitting all these things, but you are still trying to kick while I am down. How can you even try to say that had Rob Ford admitted he had a problem with alcohol or weed, you would have no problem with that.
What you are doing right there Fuji is "playing politics". Back in the old days we used to call it LYING, but your type of people call it "playing politics".

Until we (politicians, their supporters, and the general public) stop "playing politics", we will keep getting BS from our governments.


If I am eating crow this morning it sure does taste like burnt Fuji.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JUST BEING YOURSELF FUJI...

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

Well written yyy.... I can't speak for everyone, but I do believe that people like myself are so sick of the BS.
When i say BS, I am referring to Fujis post that is so full of it, we would rather give a guy like Ford an opportunity.

I do believe that Ford might win alot of support if he came clean and begged forgiveness. I might even believe that Ford was telling the truth and did have good intentions. However, I would not be voting for him or supporting his re-election. Like Lance Armstrong, I supported Ford till almost the end. Like Lance, Ford not only denied, he fought back hard against his critics.

Luckily for us, Ford is too stubborn to play that card. Again, as much as I dislike what he has done, I would have respect for him to come out and say, I fucked up, I resign.

Ford is a charismatic guy in many ways. You can't argue with it. Unvarnished, slob-like, and enthusiastic in a child-like way that can't be argued against. All he would need to do is strike a 5 minute presser in which he said he was going to get some help, hint at WHY he is the way he is (childlike ridicule, whatever), display his heart instead of his teeth, talk about what it's like to have this kind of scrutiny all the time (which of course lots of people could relate to...)

...and he'd immediately shoot back up in the polls.

The terrific irony is that any adult knows that displaying weakness very selectively has a Zen effect of forging power. Nobody seems to have told him that. Or he won't hear it. But it's his ticket out of his own public hell. Admit some of the weaknesses without losing your dignity, and tons of pent up anger towards him by the public turns instantly into charitable good will. Easy as pie. It's deliciously close and within his grasp.

Will he do it? We'll see.

 

[slowandeasy]

Yes I'd crucify him for any of that since the FACT is that they'd all be lies. It was not a hoax, it was not week in the pipe. And remember - Ford the fat fuck, the hypocrite, the Cadillac Escalade-driving, entitled, elitist asshole is still in denial mode.

Matt, I was not talking to you directly, but you are missing the point. The truth did not matter to you guys. Even here you will not accept that if it was hoax, or if it was weed in the pipe you would still shit on him. Your reference to him as a "fat fuck" shows your bias. Even now, you still don't have definitive proof that the stuff in the pipe was crack. I don't know if its worth it to ask, but don't you get the difference? If/when the stuff in he pipe is proven as crack, or if/when people who surround Ford start taking about their believe he was blowing crack or seen him blowing crack we will have something.
If the Ford Haters, and the star start bringing crackheads and crack dealer out of the woodwork to tell us about it, we may be skeptical. If the police start bringing proof, we will not be skeptical.

Ford has always been a rich, but I would not define him as your typical elitist. I am pretty sure that the Escalade is NOT and elitist vehicle, it is more trailer park trash wins a lottery type of vehicle.
Ford is more of the Rich kid who was raised to think he was blue collar.

 

[fuji]

What has not changed is my position that the star sensationalized as many things about Ford as they could. No one at the star might admit they had an agenda but
it was quite obvious they did.

How exactly do you publish a story, without creating a sensation, the essence of which is "the mayor smokes crack, no not a figure of speech, he really does smoke crack"?

Rob Ford created the sensational news. The Star simply reported it. They were honest and accurate in all their reporting on Ford.

What you are experiencing is called cognitive dissonance. You made all these really out of the park accusations, actually believed the bullshit you were posting, but now you are trying to absorb the facts that have forced you to realize you were wrong.

So you are getting even angrier at Ford than I am, meanwhile trying to salvage as much of the nonsense you posted as possible.


Plainly you are one of those who sees the world in partisan terms. If you disagree with a politician you are incapable of seeing their strengths, and if you support someone you can't see their weaknesses. You assume that anyone who praises or criticizes Ford or any other politician does so because of their politics. You are wrong.

I am capable of separating my political views from my assessment of the situation and from my assessment of an individual. This is how I am able to credit Harper as an effective leader while rejecting his politics.

When I wrote that people would have given Ford a chance if he were only smoking weed and getting drunk I wasn't speaking of myself. I would never vote for him. But that is an accurate assessment of the voting public in Toronto.

You are incapable of separating your opinions from your assessment of the facts, but don't assume that other people suffer from the same disorder.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Wait for it...There's another video!..and it could be worse!

From Rosie DiManno's column:

"But wait. There are two videos, Blair revealed at his shocking press conference.
What’s on the other one? Are we not to know? Because a few reporters have already been told by sources what its contents might be.
If true, believe me, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Some want to keep it that way."

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/11/01/what_will_the_second_video_reveal.html

Its a sex video supposedly.

Chief Blair is gonna have to release both videos at some point. Its unfair to the public to leave us in limbo like that

 

[slowandeasy]

Ford is a charismatic guy in many ways. You can't argue with it. Unvarnished, slob-like, and enthusiastic in a child-like way that can't be argued against. All he would need to do is strike a 5 minute presser in which he said he was going to get some help, hint at WHY he is the way he is (childlike ridicule, whatever), display his heart instead of his teeth, talk about what it's like to have this kind of scrutiny all the time (which of course lots of people could relate to...)

...and he'd immediately shoot back up in the polls.

The terrific irony is that any adult knows that displaying weakness very selectively has a Zen effect of forging power. Nobody seems to have told him that. Or he won't hear it. But it's his ticket out of his own public hell. Admit some of the weaknesses without losing your dignity, and tons of pent up anger towards him by the public turns instantly into charitable good will. Easy as pie. It's deliciously close and within his grasp.

Will he do it? We'll see.

Love it, someone who actually gets it... where have you been brother... the child like persona is accurate, but I really think the guy
has modeled his persona on the character in Tommy boy.. that big, klutzy, well meaning screw up who comes thru in the end.

The charm about ford is that he hates that game, and would rather blow his brains out than think he is doing the "typical politician" dance.
Its really too bad, when I voted for him, I really expected some of that "bull in a china shop" attitude, but I expected that he would see he needed
to build consensus first. I also believe that Doug Ford is sort of the puppet master playing his little brother. When you listen to the too of them it becomes obvious.
Doug seems to be the real bull in the china shop, and Rob wobbles between his own child like persona and the one Doug has always driven him to.
Doug seems like the super ambitious type who was always a hustler, worked hard to get respect, but got used to people liking his klutzy little brother better than him.

My prediction is that ford will not offer his resignation, and will try to come up with some child like excuse. They already have put it out there that they
want the video released so the public can judge for themselves. I have heard doug say a number of times "I have never met Lisi" and I believe
he also says something like i have never even heard his name mentioned. Sounds to me like he is setting it up to distance himself from that side of
robs life.

Like you said, lets wait and see how this plays out.

 

[slowandeasy]

Its a sex video supposedly.

Chief Blair is gonna have to release both videos at some point. Its unfair to the public to leave us in limbo like that

God please don't tell me that we are going to see Rob and Doug tag teaming a crack ho??

 

[LDfan]

Its a sex video supposedly.

Of Ford and Lisi?

 

[Moviefan-2]

Its a sex video supposedly.

I'm not exactly the poster boy for Weight Watchers, but let me say this: I don't want to see it.

Ultimately, though, Ford has no choice but to step down. The circus around his personal life is out of control.

The criticisms aren't entirely fair.

For example, some of the people who say he must resign for lying never felt that way about Dalton McGuinty. Nor do they feel that way about Kathleen (I knew nothing about the gas plants closures) Wynne.

But in politics, the coverup is always worse than the crime. Ford has lost control of the scandals surrounding his personal demons. He should step down.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Sun editor calls on Blair to release video:

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/01/blair-should-release-ford-video-now

Blair should release Ford video now

Mayor Rob Ford says he can’t comment on a video which allegedly shows him smoking crack cocaine because the matter is before the courts. That’s absurd.

The matter isn’t before the courts. Ford hasn’t been charged with any offence.

Ford can say anything he likes about Police Chief Bill Blair’s statement a video exists of Ford that has been accurately described in media reports.

Those reports said Ford appeared to be smoking crack and making racist and homophobic remarks.

It that’s untrue, Ford can and should proclaim his innocence, as can anyone falsely accused of things he didn’t do.

Ford can say it’s impossible such a video exists, because he would never do such a thing.

He can say Blair must have seen a doctored video, in response to Blair’s contention the video didn’t appear to be tampered with.

Indeed, we agree with Ford’s lawyer, Dennis Morris, who said Blair should release the video now, which the police say they cannot do.

Why not? Blair’s already talked about the video, said he has viewed its contents, said the mayor is in it, and told us what he thinks of it.

He said he was “disappointed” when he saw it and that “this is a traumatic issue for the citizens of this city and the reputation of this city.” So why not let everyone see the video and decide for themselves?

As far as the release of the video being potentially prejudicial to some future trial, juries are vetted all the time to make sure they won’t be influenced by things they have seen in the media.

Lawyers routinely make arguments about the admissibility or inadmissibility of evidence and judges rule on those issues.

That’s no reason the video can’t be released now.

Indeed, even if it is released, and it shows Ford smoking something, how will anyone be able to prove it’s crack?

That’s not the issue. The issue is that Ford has said such a video doesn’t exist, so the question now is Ford’s credibility on a matter of substance.

The question is whether Ford has been truthful with the public, whether he has been honest with the people who elected him.

Release the video now, and let the public decide for themselves