Gaming the System - Entitled Much

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Instead of driving the 2008 Dodge Ram pickup truck he purchased in a private sale last month, Chris Lethbridge has it parked, uninsured, at his home in Salmon Arm, B.C.

If the truck gets damaged or stolen, he knows he won't be able to file an insurance claim. Nonetheless, there it sits with no financial protection on it and no additional kilometres rolling on the odometer.

"It's an $11,000 paperweight sitting in my driveway," Lethbridge told CBC's Daybreak South. "And I'm not the only one in the province who's dealing with this."

On Oct. 1, a new provincial regulation around the sale of private vehicles came into effect.

Instead of paying 12 per cent provincial sales tax (PST) on the actual sale price of a vehicle at the time of purchase, buyers must now pay PST at the time of registration — with the tax based on the vehicle's average wholesale value in the Canadian Black Book valuation guide.

That has Lethbridge, and others like him, upset and calling for action.

Lethbridge says he paid $2,100 for his Dodge Ram in a private sale. But when he went to register the vehicle, he was told by the insurance agent it had a Canadian Black Book value of $11,000, and he had to pay PST on that amount.

"I was a little bit dumbfounded," Lethbridge said.


Lethbridge said he obtained a temporary operating permit so he could drive the truck from nearby Kamloops, where he made the purchase, back to Salmon Arm.

With the truck now gathering dust, Lethbridge says he has been trying to find a satisfactory resolution to his situation.

"There has to be a light at the end of the tunnel. There has to be."

Changes bring B.C. in line with other provinces, says government

The provincial government says it made the change to prevent buyers from understating the vehicle purchase price in private transactions and then paying PST on those lower numbers. That loophole, it said, could create an annual PST revenue shortfall of close to $30 million.

Buyers who want to dispute the list value can hire a qualified appraiser to assess their vehicle's value and present the appraisal to the Insurance Corporation of B.C. (ICBC), the provincial auto insurer, at the time of registration.

The guidelines state that if the appraised value and the price paid are both less than the average wholesale value in the Canadian Black Book guide, the amount of PST due is calculated on the greater of the price paid and the appraised value of the vehicle.

Paying for an appraisal, however, is the responsibility of the buyer.

In an emailed statement to CBC, Finance Minister Selina Robinson says the change brings B.C. "in line with how most other provinces are already administering sales taxes on these vehicles."

Robinson also pointed out the appraisal option available to buyers.

Online petition calls for change

Graham Hugill is also upset with the new regulation.

The resident of 150 Mile House in the B.C. Interior said he bought a 2015 Ford F-30 truck for $35,000 in a private sale. He said he had all the paperwork with him when he went to register the vehicle and was told he had to pay PST based on a Canadian Black Book value of $47,240.

"It's theft, basically, from me," Hugill said.

As is the case with Lethbridge, Hugill has the truck sitting at home, unregistered.

In protest of the new regulation, Hugill has started an online petition. As of Thursday afternoon, it had close to 7,000 signatures.

"I started the petition, because I'm a 60-year-old man, and now I'm getting tired of being taxed to death."
 
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What about a situation where the vehicle is in rough shape - i.e. was in a fender-bender or has rust deterioration - and was purchased for a low price "as is"?
 
What about a situation where the vehicle is in rough shape - i.e. was in a fender-bender or has rust deterioration - and was purchased for a low price "as is"?
You can pay for an appraisal. Which would take care of that as you would pay a cheaper tax but then your paying for the appraisal.
 
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So BC caught up the rest of the country…..
I remember buying private sale used cars in Ottawa back in the late 60's and 70's and it was always cash sales and a receipt for hundreds or thousands less than you paid and there was never any problem although if the price was too low you got some weird looks at the licence bureau when you went to transfer the ownership. Not sure when Ontario caught on and changed but like any scam that cheats the gov't out of taxes they eventualy figure it out and close the loophole.
 
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I remember buying private sale used cars in Ottawa back in the late 60's and 70's and it was always cash sales and a receipt for hundreds or thousands less than you paid and there was never any problem although if the price was too low you got some weird looks at the licence bureau when you went to transfer the ownership. Not sure when Ontario caught on and changed but like any scam that cheats the gov't out of taxes they eventualy figure it out and close the loophole.
It was years ago. Before when PST and GST were still separate. I remember walking in with a used car and got told the loophole changed and it was Book value. Man I was young then. LOL
 
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