Futility of Repeated Jabs?

[lomotil]

The current predominating variant, Omicron is said to be a very different virus than the original Wuhan variant. The vaccines were made from the DNA sequences provided by China at the beginning of the pandemic, maybe China had this information, months before, who (WHO) knows??
It would appear that Omicron mutation evades the current vaccines quite easily and significantly and it might be prudent to wait for vaccines made from the Omicron variant to be released instead of lining up for outdated, undergunned surplus Pfizer or Moderna inventory.
I am sure that new vaccines are in the works and they will be aggressively pushed upon release as a better alternative.
Right now those lining up for multiple jabs of the old stock might just be doing it for peace of mind and psychological comfort but these efforts are likely in vain. New phospho glyolipid protection or other modalities to protect the mRNA nano particles when injected IM also must be developed.
I hope that any new mRNA vaccines do not interact negatively with the physiology of the individuals that been pumped with, three, four, five..shots of the existing vaccines, but it appears that Israel will continue to be the “human Guinea pig” for the
now.
A new mRNA vaccine could be brought to market very quickly from Pfizer or Moderna because they are able to circumvent the lengthy standard human trial tests of the past obviously, but a state of emergency might have to be declared by the POTUS again and then much of the world would follow including Canada.

 

[Leimonis]

israel doing 4th shots right now...

 

[lomotil]

israel doing 4th shots right now...
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Israel is throwing , multiple “Hail Marys” now.

 

[shack]

It would appear that Omicron mutation evades the current vaccines quite easily

Is this your anecdotal feeling or are there scientific studies that prove your statement is accurate.

 

[jcpro]

There are quite a few people I know, all are fully vaxed and some boosted, who are in the quarantine or just emerging from it after acquiring Covid-19. All of them are really pissed off.

 

[lomotil]

Is this your anecdotal feeling or are there scientific studies that prove your statement is accurate.

This is my intuitive feeling and is backed by studies from the CDC, Israel and the Chief Medical Officer to POTUS, Dr. Faucci which mirror the statistics and trends occurring in micro micro Ontario. A new vaccine(s) is required but until such time, multiple jabs with existing stock are the flavour of the month and in vogue.

 

[Mr.Know-It-All]

israel doing 4th shots right now...
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He was outcompeted by Homo Sapiens and interbred with Homo Sapiens.

 

[Male4Strapon]

There are quite a few people I know, all are fully vaxed and some boosted, who are in the quarantine or just emerging from it after acquiring Covid-19. All of them are really pissed off.

Then they should be pissed at themselves for not being more informed. The vaccine and boosters don't prevent getting covid, they protect from severe outcomes so if they are quarantining from home rather than an ICU, they should be grateful that they took the precautions.

 

[jcpro]

Then they should be pissed at themselves for not being more informed. The vaccine and boosters don't prevent getting covid, they protect from severe outcomes so if they are quarantining from home rather than an ICU, they should be grateful that they took the precautions.

And that line of reasoning is a speculation. It's not how many people you vaccinate, it's who you vaccinate. The covid outcomes vary greatly by age and conditions. It's statistically unlikely for the 20 and 30 something people to end up in the ICU. If you're sick and/or old(over 60), that's another matter.

 

[jalimon]

And that line of reasoning is a speculation. It's not how many people you vaccinate, it's who you vaccinate. The covid outcomes vary greatly by age and conditions. It's statistically unlikely for the 20 and 30 something people to end up in the ICU. If you're sick and/or old(over 60), that's another matter.

Omicron is starting to change this. Although it seems much less severe it sent much more younger and even kids to hospitalization.

Covid will NEVER be under control with vaccine. As any other pandemic diseases.

 

[Male4Strapon]

And that line of reasoning is a speculation. It's not how many people you vaccinate, it's who you vaccinate. The covid outcomes vary greatly by age and conditions. It's statistically unlikely for the 20 and 30 something people to end up in the ICU. If you're sick and/or old(over 60), that's another matter.

Fair, but my point remains that they have nothing to be pissed about because the vaccine doesn't shield one from getting covid, just from the toll it takes on you regardless of age.
The only thing to be pissed about is that unvaccinated are keeping this going and by that I don't mean vaccine refusers (though they share the blame), I mean globally we will never be past of this until the rest of the world has the same access to vaccination. Until then we just move from one new variant to another.

Covid will NEVER be under control with vaccine. As any other pandemic diseases.

Correct, until every nation is overwhelmingly vaccinated we just have to wait for next variant and hope it gets weaker because the former is less likely.

 

[jcpro]

Omicron is starting to change this. Although it seems much less severe it sent much more younger and even kids to hospitalization.

Covid will NEVER be under control with vaccine. As any other pandemic diseases.

Omicron is not changing anything, it just infects a greater portion of the population at a greater speed while being much less harmful. Greater number simply means greater chance of hospitalization for the sick and/or old.

 

[jcpro]

Fair, but my point remains that they have nothing to be pissed about because the vaccine doesn't shield one from getting covid, just from the toll it takes on you regardless of age.
The only thing to be pissed about is that unvaccinated are keeping this going and by that I don't mean vaccine refusers (though they share the blame), I mean globally we will never be past of this until the rest of the world has the same access to vaccination. Until then we just move from one new variant to another.



Correct, until every nation is overwhelmingly vaccinated we just have to wait for next variant and hope it gets weaker because the former is less likely.

With all due respect, I'm not pissed. I know the score. But. Most people are not news junkies and they remember what they were promised last year- get your shots and move on with your life. Obviously we have pivoted away from that.

 

[massman]

Omicron is starting to change this. Although it seems much less severe it sent much more younger and even kids to hospitalization.

Covid will NEVER be under control with vaccine. As any other pandemic diseases.

? Polio ? Smallpox

 

[Male4Strapon]

? Polio ? Smallpox

International travel wasn't as prevalent for those to spread as easily as covid, so I share jalimon's opinion that we will never completely control it. Vaccines are our only hope but too many nations don't have sufficient access.

 

[shack]

It's not how many people you vaccinate, it's who you vaccinate.

That might have been for a while after the vax was developed and people were vulnerable and some groups dropping like flies.

That is no longer the case and at this point it is strictly a race to the finish line, which is to get 100% vaxxed.

 

[The Oracle]

Then they should be pissed at themselves for not being more informed. The vaccine and boosters don't prevent getting covid, they protect from severe outcomes so if they are quarantining from home rather than an ICU, they should be grateful that they took the precautions.

Don't forget to add that the vaccines don't stop you from spreading Covid either. This seems to be a popular misconception on this board.

 

[Male4Strapon]

Don't forget to add that the vaccines don't stop you from spreading Covid either. This seems to be a popular misconception on this board.

You're right and not just on this board, many people in general seem to have believed that being vaccinated was a shield that makes them inpentrable to covid and prevents them from not only getting it but from passing it on too.

 

[shakenbake]

Israel is throwing , multiple “Hail Marys” now.

Oi-vei Marias, to be more precise, linguistically.

 

[oil&gas]

There are quite a few people I know, all are fully vaxed and some boosted, who are in the quarantine or just emerging from it after acquiring Covid-19. All of them are really pissed off.

I think they are pissed not because they had mistakenly believed vaccination would
shield them from Covid. They are pissed because they caught the virus notwithstanding
the precaution like wearing a mask they continue to adhere to after the vaccination.