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[CapitalGuy]

MLAM, if you hate Canada so much, please feel free to start your own US Escort Review Board and keep your anger south of the 49th. We don't need your anger on TERB. Yankee go home.

 

[Cobster]

It was on Anderson Cooper 360 last night.

Wow no kidding, missed that one (probably the ONLY one).
Near the middle or end of the show right?

 

[james t kirk]

In case you had not been paying attention, the price of oil has doubled in the last 2+ years. Did the American economy collapse? Oil is a MAJOR part of the American economy...but in reality a relatively small portion. The price of gas is STILL cheaper in the U.S. than in Canada...has the Canadian economy collapsed? What about Europe? If you actually knew what you were talking about versus just sporting off shit, you'd know the except for the most poor the price of gas is a pretty inelastic commodity...meaning people bitch about it, but the keep buying it.


Perhaps you had not heard, or perhaps you aren't smart enough to figure this out, but there are about a DOZEN countries that export oil. And it all costs pretty much the same thing no matter where the source. Canada wants to stop exporting oil to the U.S? BE MY GUEST. Who else you going to sell it to? Hmm? Any other consumers of oil on par with the United States? Canada essential has one single customer for oil...and not another one close enough to deliver the product to.

Really.

I guess you are not aware that almost 17% of American oil imports come from Canada.

There is no way in hell any or all other countries could or would ramp up production to account for that. If you recall big mouth, you were the one who suggested that Americans should just boycott all goods Canadian to teach us loud mouths just who's boss. I laugh at the stupidity of such statements made by typical loud mouth Americans such as yourself.

If you don't think that your economy would be crippled by eliminating your number one supplier of oil and natural gas, I have a bridge for sale you might be interested in.

http://api-ec.api.org/industry/index.cfm?bitmask=001004000000000000#

Typical dumb ass Canadian arrogance..."we'll stop selling our primary export that can be secured from a dozen other sources to essentially what is essentially our only customer...that will show them"..

Please name those dozen other sources. And where exactly are they going to get that oil from.

Go read a book for crying out loud. Did you even take econ in H.S.? You can start with the 3 paragraphs above, and then finish off with the others ones I will type while I explain global economics 101 to you....

Please enlighten me with your brilliant stance on global economics. I can't wait.

"BTW, the US sells more goods to Canada than any other country in the world. I think you'd feel that."


This actually may not be true anymore thanks to the growing economies of India and China...but let's assume it is. That figure is about $300 billion dollars...or about 3% of the U.S. economy. By comparison, that same figure represents a THIRD of the Canadian economy. Now I know you aren't real good with this numbers thing, but which do you think would hurt more...a 3% pinch of a 30% plus kick in the ass?

Though the United States is not as export-oriented as is Canada, international trade does contribute significantly to the US economy. Last year, U.S. exports of goods and services comprised roughly 12 percent of the United States' GDP. (Exports to Canada accounted for roughly 20 percent of all US exports.) It has been estimated that nearly two million jobs in the United States are supported by US exports to Canada.

http://www.buyusa.gov/canada/en/traderelationsusacanada.html

Here is something to keep in mind next time you want to smart mouth off about how dependent the U.S. is on Canada...the population and economy of California is larger than that of Canada. Canada is a G8 nation because the United States wants it to be one (does that qualify as charity?)...its economy and military are smaller than China, with India and South Korea nipping at its heels. Canada is a valued trade partner of the United States. HIGHLY valued. THIS is the most significant thing about Canada when it comes to the world stage. But once you learn how to add and subtract you will see that the relationship is NOT one of "par"...

Bah ha ha.

The USA exports about 41 billion dollars worth of goods and services to China, vs. about 211 billion to Canada. But you don't have to believe me loud mouth, but maybe you will believe your own census bureau.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2005

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html#2005

Plus China has a population of 1.2 billion people and India a population of just over a billion.

Average annual wage in China is about $6,800 per person, India, less than half of that.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html

Some real purchasing power there eh. I bet they'll be buying all kinds of new camaros.

"The US does not defend Canada. Never has as far as I am aware. If there is any other country out there that Canada has to worry about being invaded by, it would the USA in my eyes."

Canada is the only oil AND gold exporting nation in the world besides Russia. You don’t believe this of course, because you doesn't serve your purposes to think so, but I (and many others) and inclined to think that save for this little thing called ALASKA you'd be speaking Russian right now....because there is a HELL of a lot more reason to invade Canada than there was Poland or Yugoslavia or Hungry. You don't have to agree of course...I am sure the Canadian government signed all of those joint defense agreements in the 50's 60's and 70's because they were bored and didn't have anything else to do. Or out of the goodness of their hearts

BTW...how are those subs doing? The ones you use to defend one of the largest and most rich coastlines in the world? The ones that leak? Don’t’ think the U.S. Navy isn’t defending Canada?

That's Hungary, not Hungry.

And in who's best interest would signing those joint defence agreements be? I'd say the USA is more interested in using Canada as a buffer zone to invasion than ever it was in protecting Canada. You'll forgive me if I don't believe in the idea of American altruism.

Besides, the only threat to Canada's sovereignty is the USA.

And Americans are grateful. And I am entirely confident that if the need arouse we would return the favor. So that give you a right to insult us every chance you get?

So, I gave you three examples of Canadian charity to the United States. Here's a fourth....Tehran Iran, 1980, when Canada gave save harbour to several Americans and eventually smuggled them out of the country.

So, in other words, you can't think of one example of American charity to Canada.

Hmm, on this we agree, neither could I.

 

[Never Compromised]

could someone please list the number of dead and wounded by enemy fire
vs
the number of dead and wounded by American "accidents"

 

[RTRD]

I don't...

MLAM, if you hate Canada so much, please feel free to start your own US Escort Review Board and keep your anger south of the 49th. We don't need your anger on TERB. Yankee go home.

...hate Canada so much, else I wouldn't be living here.

I could live without plenty of Canadians though....

 

[RTRD]

In response....

"Really.

I guess you are not aware that almost 17% of American oil imports come from Canada."

I was. Guess you were not aware that the OPEC nations purposely limit production in order to manipulate price. They agree on an output cap EVERY QUARTER. They would be more than glad to fill any breach Canada left open.

"There is no way in hell any or all other countries could or would ramp up production to account for that."

So...it would take time to ramp up....price of gas in the United States goes up...oh, I don't know...50% in the interim. In other words, something on order to what is currently the price of gas in the EU now. Have those economies collapsed? But...I don’t' know if the U.S. economy has ever seen a 50% increase in the price of gas before...it could send shockwaves through the economy. Oh...wait...WE JUST HAD ONE. Did the economy collapse? Perhaps if you Google “inelastic commodity” that will help you understand better….

So...let see....a 2 - 3% increase in production from each of the OPEC nations....oh, no way they could do that...and POOF...who ever heard of Canada?

BTW...just in case you get into another debate like this again, here is some help...it is REFINERY PRODUCTION that is the bottle neck....not the mining and delivery of crude. OPEC purposely limits how much they sell...

So...again...Mr All Knowing...who do you think might be hurt more...the U.S. forced to scramble to account for a temporary shortage of 17% of its oil input (ever hear of the strategic oil reserves?), or a country whose single largest export is oil...selling to essentially one customer??

"If you don't think that your economy would be crippled by eliminating your number one supplier of oil and natural gas, I have a bridge for sale you might be interested in."

I think we have covered this already...

"Please name those dozen other sources. And where exactly are they going to get that oil from."

Those would be the eleven OPEC nations, plus the United States (which actually is the 2nd largest producer of oil in the world...4 times larger than Canada...keep that in mind to Mr. Smug Smart Ass), then there is Russia, the third largest producer of oil in the world and NOT a member of OPEC...the same Russians who would fuck their mothers for a chance to bring more U.S. dollars into their economy.

It is nice that you know how to cut and paste though... next work on understanding the subject matter.

"Though the United States is not as export-oriented as is Canada, international trade does contribute significantly to the US economy. Last year, U.S. exports of goods and services comprised roughly 12 percent of the United States' GDP. (Exports to Canada accounted for roughly 20 percent of all US exports.) It has been estimated that nearly two million jobs in the United States are supported by US exports to Canada. "

Very good. You got all your facts here correct. Doesn't change what I said. Those 211 Billion dollars worth of exports are 2% of U.S. GDP. The U.S. economy grows at roughly twice that rate every year. Your 2% is NOTHING. Exports from Canada to the U.S. make up 20 to 30 percent of the Canadian economy. Not exactly comparable.

Those 2 million jobs? A tragedy if lost...no doubt. But LESS than 2% of the 150 million people who are in the work force in the United States. Would the unemployment rate shot through the roof? Absolutely....temporally. But it would not see levels that have not reached before, even in recent times. Unemployment would go up roughly 1.5%...to a little over 6. Not even close to economic collapse, but even still, nobody wants that. However...even YOU understand that is NOTHING compared to the 20% of Canadians who would find themselves out of work, right? You do understand that, right?

"The USA exports about 41 billion dollars worth of goods and services to China, vs. about 211 billion to Canada. "

Again you prove your search and cut and paste powers are intact. Doesn't change a damn thing I wrote in the proceeding two paragraphs. Keeping working on that comprehension thing and you will be just fine...

"Some real purchasing power there eh. I bet they'll be buying all kinds of new camaros."

Would those be the new Camaros that are planned to be purchased right here in Ontario, thanks to the SWEET deal the Ontario government gave GM to help keep some Canadian workers employed? Those Camaros? I don't think selling 50,000 (they hope) Camaros a year is going to be the life or death of GM...it is going to hell anyway. Me thinks selling those Camaros means a HELL of a lot more to the thousands of Canadians who will have jobs making them.

Nice try though...lol

"That's Hungary, not Hungry."

Why thank you. You help me with my spelling, and I'll help you understand trade and global economics...

"And in who's best interest would signing those joint defence agreements be? I'd say the USA is more interested in using Canada as a buffer zone to invasion than ever it was in protecting Canada. You'll forgive me if I don't believe in the idea of American altruism."

This is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. You could be right. I doubt it, but you could be.

"Besides, the only threat to Canada's sovereignty is the USA."

This would be your Canadian inferiority complex talking again. Like I said, stop obsessing about events in the U.S., stop buying out GAP stores and crowding Starbucks everywhere, stop flocking to Florida in droves and stop trying to secure your own NFL franchise, and perhaps you can go back to having an identity of your own instead of assimilating everything American every chance you get. Then you wouldn't feel so insecure. "The Americans are coming...The Americans are coming.....let's hope they are bringing some U.S. Dollars with them!!"

Now...on the whole charity thing...honestly, I gave it no thought. I am sure if it were that important to me to play tit for tat with you I could Google up some instances of American charity to Canadians.

I am not willing to do that because yes, Canada has been MUCH more than generous to MANY Americans through the years. Canada is our closest neighbor and closest ally. And there is NOBODY more grateful for that than me - I came running here after I lost everything, and then chose to stay once I got it back. I am not interested in a pissing contest regarding Canadian generosity because *I* have benefited personally and *I* am grateful.

That doesn't change SHIT about my original sentiment - which is that I am tired of Canadians taking broad ass pots shots at Americans as a whole, when your fucking livelihood as you know it DEPENDS on Americans. That isn't about "feeling superior" or "being arrogant". It is FACT, and if you have a problem comprehending it, it doesn't change THE FACTS.

Now, I understand that what used to be just brotherly chiding has escalated into something uglier because Canadians don't agree with U.S. Foreign Policy. I get that. I don't agree with it either.

But if you think mocking an event which changed the lives of millions...which left a nation in mourning, an event which marked the death of more than 2,000 people...and broadcasting that mocking on mainstream radio as "perspective" is on the same order as a few Bob and Doug Mackenzie jokes and a few ignorant statements about how cold it must be up there, then you are a more ignorant ass than you have already shown yourself to be. You would go from simply being ignorant of how trade and economics works to being a true asshole.

Now…go back and read everything over again to make sure you understand…like I said, it helps to keep in mind that the U.S. has an economy and population about TEN TIMES that of Canada…and keep focusing on that “3% vs. 30%” of GDP / GNP comparison. If you still don’t understand, feel free to PM me, because you are embarrassing yourself here…

 

[bestillmehard]

My son is a soldier with Edmonton's 3rd Battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group (3 PPCLI). He has been in Afghanistan since late May. He is one of the injured, ( thank god not one of the dead). I spoke with him last night and he is quite devastated that his comrades are gone, but he is even more determined to stay and fight the war on terrorism. In no way does he blame the Americans for this accident. He said to me..." Dad, its part of war...war is part of life and so is dying, we know what we are doing here and we feel its right." He is proud to be serving his country...and I'm very proud to be his father.

 

[LancsLad]

My son is a soldier with Edmonton's 3rd Battalion of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group (3 PPCLI). He has been in Afghanistan since late May. He is one of the injured, ( thank god not one of the dead). I spoke with him last night and he is quite devastated that his comrades are gone, but he is even more determined to stay and fight the war on terrorism. In no way does he blame the Americans for this accident. He said to me..." Dad, its part of war...war is part of life and so is dying, we know what we are doing here and we feel its right." He is proud to be serving his country...and I'm very proud to be his father.

Good on ya.

 

[peteeey]

You forgot when Canadians opened their homes to the thousands of stranded U.S. airline passengers after 9/11.

Also after Hurricane Katrina when Canadians headed to New Orleans before U.S. officials could get their act together, let alone ask for help.

Really.

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So, I gave you three examples of Canadian charity to the United States. Here's a fourth....Tehran Iran, 1980, when Canada gave save harbour to several Americans and eventually smuggled them out of the country.