Free speech or hate speech??

Your faulty cooking analogy was already sent back to the kitchen, before you changed the chef from yourself to some new and fabulous cook. Whatever his results, concealing when he was hired that he relies on cookware-color alone is misrepresentation of his knowledge and skills, and would endanger the restaurant's license, not to mention the health of its patrons. It's a matter of whether a chef — you or François le fabuleux — can be trusted to do on the job.

The identity of my cook didn't have anything to do with my hypotheticals. They were just vehicles for demonstrating my reasoning. Maybe you didn't find my alternative context amusing, or maybe it was the points I was making you didn't like, or both. I acknowledge that you were not persuaded, since you seem to continue to put a higher emphasis on what someone says or thinks, compared to what is revealed by what they do. In my opinion, it's easy to trust people to do their job well when they have a track record of doing exactly that, no matter what they may have to say. I acknowledge that you are entitled to a different opinion.

I'm glad you seem to see a reasonable connection might indeed be made between an officer's public statements on 'political' matters and the possibility that he might apply the same warped thinking to his work, and so enforce the laws less than fairly.

I think I said pretty clearly that I don't see the rational connection between views on immigration/cultural integration and the work of a parking enforcement officer. I also told another poster that I don't think there's any way of proving whether his views are "warped" or not. They are just opinions as to what makes for a better society. Since we live in a democracy, those opinions will only govern immigration policy if enough people hold the same views.

I certainly have not called for his dismissal, and in fact made the point above, that he and his postings are only being looked at (the sort of thing you might call "a cursory review").

It was his job performance I suggested be reviewed, not his social media posts. I don't care about his social media posts. I do care about his job performance as a civil servant with a certain measure of authority.

In fact, according to the OP, the PKO closed the Twitter account in question as soon as it attracted attention. We can debate a hypothetical whether someone that ashamed/embarrassed/regretful/scared about what they once saw fit to broadcast to the Universe, however hurtful or dangerous to those their words attacked, could ever be a worthy hire for a position of public trust and power any time you wish.

Knowing that others in positions of power may have an authoritarian and intellectually intolerant view of the world, and knowing that reason certainly does not always win out, especially when politics are involved, are good reasons to fear repercussions for actions or statements that really ought to be left to be. I don't think that protecting yourself against those with power over you, who aren't necessarily governed by reason, is tacit admission of anything, except perhaps your low expectations of others.
 
So where do we start drawing the line though???
One's hate speech is another one's not so much hate speech.

Who gets to decide whats hate speech, and what isnt??!!
 
BTW. It is reasonable to be concerned that a person in an authority position who publicly expressed xenophobic views might be influenced by those views while enforcing laws.

This is clearly where we disagree. Citizens are entitled to have opinions about immigration (increasing it, decreasing it, or focusing the source of it) and are also entitled to have opinions about how successfully or unsuccessfully groups have integrated into society, and whether integration is a good or bad objective.

Any views held by a police officer could influence how they enforce the law. The important question is whether the officer is the master of his biases and can hand out tickets without being governed by them.

As an illustration of this thinking, I am NOT suspicious that parking officers who strongly favor expanded immigration are going easy on immigrants who park illegally, and showing no leniency to long established Canadian citizens, and I think that if that were happening it would be quickly revealed. I am also NOT suspicious that women officers who feel that women are unfairly treated in society are giving female parkers a pass.
 
As an illustration of this thinking, I am NOT suspicious that parking officers who strongly favor expanded immigration are going easy on immigrants who park illegally, and showing no leniency to long established Canadian citizens, and I think that if that were happening it would be quickly revealed. I am also NOT suspicious that women officers who feel that women are unfairly treated in society are giving female parkers a pass.

But other people would rightfully be suspicious of his work and his bias, if its know publicly, could lead to all his charges being challenged in court.
 
But other people would rightfully be suspicious of his work and his bias, if its know publicly, could lead to all his charges being challenged in court.

I don't think people challenging their parking tickets would be successful on that basis, if the evidence is that they were parked in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It is not hard to predict that at least one person would bring forward such an unreasonable challenge. I just don't think that inevitability should be the threshold for restricting free speech.
 
So where do we start drawing the line though???
One's hate speech is another one's not so much hate speech.

Who gets to decide whats hate speech, and what isnt??!!

One thing that is always hated is challenging the status quo. The status quo always exists because it benefits someone, usually someone powerful.
 
We all have free speech in this country, we have the right to say whatever we like, however there may be consequences for the things we say and as long as you are willing to suffer the consequences you are free to say whatever you like.
If I go up to a man and tell him his daughter is a slut it is my right to do so, but I believe there will be consequences from doing that so I don’t do it. People should keep their negative thoughts to themselves.
 
People should keep their negative thoughts to themselves.

The problem is that political speech is always viewed negatively by a person who holds the opposite political view. Are you suggesting that people with political views which would be viewed negatively by others should always just keep those views to themselves? If people took that advice, how would society ever change?

Every right we have today exists because people spoke up and offended those who supported the previous status quo.
 
The problem is that political speech is always viewed negatively by a person who holds the opposite political view. Are you suggesting that people with political views which would be viewed negatively by others should always just keep those views to themselves? If people took that advice, how would society ever change?

Every right we have today exists because people spoke up and offended those who supported the previous status quo.

I am not talking about a difference of opinion or somebody’s political views, I am suggesting that we should not insult each other.
 
The identity of my cook didn't have anything to do with my hypotheticals. They were just vehicles for demonstrating my reasoning. Maybe you didn't find my alternative context amusing, or maybe it was the points I was making you didn't like, or both. I acknowledge that you were not persuaded, since you seem to continue to put a higher emphasis on what someone says or thinks, compared to what is revealed by what they do. In my opinion, it's easy to trust people to do their job well when they have a track record of doing exactly that, no matter what they may have to say. I acknowledge that you are entitled to a different opinion.

I think I said pretty clearly that I don't see the rational connection between views on immigration/cultural integration and the work of a parking enforcement officer. I also told another poster that I don't think there's any way of proving whether his views are "warped" or not. They are just opinions as to what makes for a better society. Since we live in a democracy, those opinions will only govern immigration policy if enough people hold the same views.

It was his job performance I suggested be reviewed, not his social media posts. I don't care about his social media posts. I do care about his job performance as a civil servant with a certain measure of authority.

Knowing that others in positions of power may have an authoritarian and intellectually intolerant view of the world, and knowing that reason certainly does not always win out, especially when politics are involved, are good reasons to fear repercussions for actions or statements that really ought to be left to be. I don't think that protecting yourself against those with power over you, who aren't necessarily governed by reason, is tacit admission of anything, except perhaps your low expectations of others.
All that boils down to how and for what we judge people when we must judge who we will trust with power to affect our safety and who we won't. You say wait until the guy is on the job and wait for reactions and complaints from the public. That strategy might be deadly in the case of an unqualified or prejudiced cook with grudges against certain races or nationalities similar to those this PKO expressed. And Parking Officers do frequently interact with drivers, with ample opportunity to exercise bias or favouritism. The mere absence of complaint is in no way proof of anything positive about any individual cook or cop.

But there were complaints.

I did like your last sentence though. Protecting ourselves from someone with power over us, who is not necessarily governed by reason, is exactly what's involved in looking into the complaints about the prejudiced posting history of this particular guardian of the law. Surely you're not suggesting complaints should be ignored? If the relevant supervisors are satisfied they have no bearing on, or relevance to his performance, he'll continue working as before. But unless it's a pure coincidence, closing his Twitter feed as soon as complaints arose would suggest he sees some relevance.

Quis custodiet custodes, if not the guardian himself?
 
The problem is that political speech is always viewed negatively by a person who holds the opposite political view.

This again is far more of an American issue (and a fairly modern one at that)
It really has become a war between Rep and Demo
The Lib vs Cons is nothing similar
 
I don't think you understand. I'm not talking about people's right to oppose other's free speech or their right to peaceful assembly, we're talking about suppression of free speech on college campuses to which there are ample examples of and a litany of cases that are being settled as we speak ie: Berkeley.
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Despite what fox news may tell you, colleges are just as full of free speech and extremely diverse opinions as they always have been. As always some people in power abuse their authority and push their views. If you had tried arguing against god in a religion lecture in the 30's or 40's, partisan professors would 'crucify' you just like if you take a class in feminism with a rigid prof, you will fail if you argue that feminism is bad.

You are just upset that people who don't like your ideas are allowed to freely criticize you for it.
 
I don't think there are any scientific facts about whether a society is better off receiving immigrants from particular groups, or not. There is just opinion. Political opinion.

So therefore there is no basis for your arguments that immigration is bad.

p.s. there is actual lots of data on how immigration in Western countries has produced an economic advantage for the country.
 
There is so much rhetoric about Muslims now and you can’t even utter a negative word or have an opinion any longer .
The simple fact is Islam is not a religion it is an ideology. Many here should go and buy an English copy of the Quran . It is clearly a book of peace if you are Muslim but it is clearly full of hate and violence if you are a non believer . I personally completely agree with every point he made regarding Muslims . I was just In London you would be very surprised to feel the tensions that are clearly present in their communities at this moment . An awful Muslim family moved into the house next to me and not a week later I had my house up for sale . I can’t stand the hypocrisy of the Muslim community . I am willing to bet that my account will be closed over this post and all I am doing is expressing my opinion . I will close with one thought , how do you think it would be received if I immigrated or had to move my life to a predominant Muslim country and I wanted to start to change their laws toward a more moderate way of thinking as the Muslims want to do with Sharia ? Death for me possibly ?? I have worked in Dubai , Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in the oil business and let me tell you it would not be appreciated in the very least . The Muslim community uses our democratic system against us and only for their advantage and I for one am so sick and tired of their victim mentality .
the same thing can be said about the Bible
 
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Actually, it's more social media like twitter and the media itself.

Funny that the argument for free speech often results in people complaining about other people's free speech.

A similar story from down under where one of the top rugby players in the world just got fired. Though some people are complaining about an infringement of free speech it simply comes down to the big money contract he signed having a clause about violating the inclusive values of Australian rugby federation.
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