Free speech or hate speech??

Phil C. McNasty

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Dec 27, 2010
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Should this parking ticket officer be fired for his comments??
Or is it freedom of speech??

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ccount-that-appears-to-belong-to-officer.html


Toronto police investigating racist, anti-immigrant Twitter account that appears to belong to officer

Toronto police are investigating a Twitter account that appears to be that of a city parking enforcement officer — a personal account making anti-immigrant and racist remarks, including that Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to immigrate to democratic countries.

Toronto police confirm their professional standards unit — which conducts internal investigations into the conduct of employees — is examining the now-deleted Twitter account of a user named Scott Murphy.

A Toronto police spokesperson confirmed a Scott Murphy is employed as a parking enforcement officer. Photos posted on the Twitter account show the same man pictured in a LinkedIn account belonging to a Scott Murphy who identifies as an officer with the Toronto Police Service.

Kyle Ashley, a former Toronto police parking enforcement officer, said he worked in the same platoon as Scott Murphy and said he is the same person seen in photos posted by the Twitter account. Ashley was among the first to draw attention to the account earlier this week.

The Twitter account was closed as of early Thursday, a day after the Star asked Toronto police about the posts.

The Star made several attempts to contact Murphy and outlined the allegations in this story in phone, text and email messages, but did not receive a response.

Reached Thursday, Mike McCormack, president of the Toronto Police Association, said the union has been made aware that the officer is under investigation for tweets made on a private account.

“Wake up people all Muslims need to be stopped from immigrating to any democratic country,” read one tweet from the account, posted in February. “They come, they take advantage of all we have to offer, then try and say they’re victims. I don’t see any other religion waging war on democratic countries.”

“Immigrants don’t belong here… they are welcome to come here. Big difference!!!” reads another, responding to a Toronto Star article. “It would be fine if they merged with our culture and society but they don’t. Some/most come here and take advantage of our laws and good will.”

The account also shared a graphic video of a Black man being shot by police. The original tweet, which the Murphy account retweeted, says: “There’s too many folks in the Black community who do not respect authority. They push things so far that police officers have to shoot them. #BlueLivesMatter.”

The Murphy account added: “Don’t forget that after this happens all of the kids are portrayed as alter (sic) boys in the media. Good job by this officer!!!! Keep the blue line boys!!!!”

In response to recent news that three Toronto safe-injection sites were in limbo after the Doug Ford government did not approve them, the account tweeted: “Sorry if I’m not crying for funding cut to an organization that basically takes tax payers (sic) money to help the lowest form of people on the planet. If you use drugs you assume the risk of overdosing. The rest of us shouldn’t be responsible because you’re an idiot.”

In yet another tweet, responding to an article about a proposal to add heaters to TTC bus shelters, the account wrote: “Ya great idea, all those shelters will be taken up by homeless s--- rats.”

Ashley called attention to the Murphy account on Twitter earlier this week, saying he was mad and “anyone against xenophobia should be” as well.

Ashley said in an interview he’s “outraged” and “embarrassed” as someone who was once a “proud” public servant, “because I vehemently stood up for these kinds of things, and against these kinds of things.”

Ashley became a popular online advocate for cycling and road safety in 2017, through his Toronto police parking enforcement officer Twitter account.

Viewed as a hero by cycling proponents and praised by city leaders including Mayor John Tory, Ashley’s outspoken tweets — which typically called out motorists for blocking bike lanes — prompted his managers to investigate the “appropriateness” of some of his tweets following what a Toronto police spokesperson said were “numerous complaints.”

The Toronto Police Association filed a grievance over Ashley’s treatment. He later resigned.

In another tweet, the Murphy account responded to an announcement from Marvel saying there will soon be an openly LGBTQ superhero, saying: “Here’s an idea, why don’t you worry about making a good movie as opposed to trying to make marvel movies liberal (social justice warrior) bulls---!!!”

The account also used the word “trannies” — an offensive and disparaging reference to trans people — and, when former Ontario premier Kathleen Wynne lost the provincial election, wrote: “Ding dong the witch it (sic) dead.”
 
This is an easy one.

It's hate speech. Protected by Freedom of Speech Laws, that's why he is not being criminally charged.

Fire his ass we don't put up with that shit here.

Dude works for Toronto Police, Toronto is a city with a police force, not a police force with a city.

The tax payers of Toronto pay this dumbasses salary, and since the Toronto police works for the tax payers, whom also happen to be Muslim and Immigrants, he is getting his ass sent to the curb.
 
It should be freedom of speech but we have now have ridiculous laws that can be applied to call it hate speech.
We need to be careful what we say in public now.
Canada is becoming a police state.
 
It should be freedom of speech but we have now have ridiculous laws that can be applied to call it hate speech.
We need to be careful what we say in public now.
Canada is becoming a police state.

It's an HR issue within Toronto Police, not a criminal investigation.

The worse that can happen is he gets fired.

Property rights are not protected under the constitution of Canada. Therefore, your employment is not protected when you act like an ignorant human being.
 
“They come, they take advantage of all we have to offer, then try and say they’re victims."

Many do.

“It would be fine if they merged with our culture and society but they don’t."

Good point.

“There’s too many folks in the Black community who do not respect authority."

True.

"If you use drugs you assume the risk of overdosing. The rest of us shouldn’t be responsible because you’re an idiot.”

Agreed.

The rest of it is pretty hateful though. Should he be fired? Probably, as this reflects poorly on an organization that already has an image problem. And as keepers of the peace, having an image problem is a very big problem.
 
Absolutely he should have been fired. The following statements are hateful.

“Wake up people all Muslims need to be stopped from immigrating to any democratic country,”

“They come, they take advantage of all we have to offer, then try and say they’re victims. I don’t see any other religion waging war on democratic countries.”

“Immigrants don’t belong here… they are welcome to come here. Big difference!!!”

“It would be fine if they merged with our culture and society but they don’t. Some/most come here and take advantage of our laws and good will.”
 
Yes it is Hate Speech and Yes he should be fired.

The views he is expressing are in conflict with the values and policies of his organization.

Moreover, on a purely practical level, his actions as a law enforcement officer are now going to be suspect. Every time he writes a ticket to s Muslim or a person of colour he will be vulnerable to accusations that he is racially profiling them (which he may well be doing). He has just made it impossible for himself to do his job effectively and for his employer to support him.

Nobody wants idiots like this on the police force (except, of course, other idiots like this).
 
It's not hate speech. But by any standard it's egregious speech and should not be representative of someone who's salary is being paid by taxpayers. Grounds for dismissal.
 
It's not hate speech. But by any standard it's egregious speech and should not be representative of someone who's salary is being paid by taxpayers. Grounds for dismissal.
Add to that, his job is is a position of very public trust, in which he must apply punitive laws fairly, without discrimination, and during which his reports are given exceptional credence by the justice system. Just as his 'private' life was properly subject to inquiry when he was hired, so it continues to be.

No one who 'thinks' what these posts express has any business being any sort of police officer. That he was unwise enough to express these loathsome views for all to read is cause enough for dismissal.
 
There is so much rhetoric about Muslims now and you can’t even utter a negative word or have an opinion any longer .
The simple fact is Islam is not a religion it is an ideology. Many here should go and buy an English copy of the Quran . It is clearly a book of peace if you are Muslim but it is clearly full of hate and violence if you are a non believer . I personally completely agree with every point he made regarding Muslims . I was just In London you would be very surprised to feel the tensions that are clearly present in their communities at this moment . An awful Muslim family moved into the house next to me and not a week later I had my house up for sale . I can’t stand the hypocrisy of the Muslim community . I am willing to bet that my account will be closed over this post and all I am doing is expressing my opinion . I will close with one thought , how do you think it would be received if I immigrated or had to move my life to a predominant Muslim country and I wanted to start to change their laws toward a more moderate way of thinking as the Muslims want to do with Sharia ? Death for me possibly ?? I have worked in Dubai , Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in the oil business and let me tell you it would not be appreciated in the very least . The Muslim community uses our democratic system against us and only for their advantage and I for one am so sick and tired of their victim mentality .
 
I wouldn't be surprised if parking enforcement was the only job he could get. Perhaps he applied and failed to become an officer or some other role in the police services. Regardless of salary pensions, etc. parking enforcement is a lousy job since you're outside all the time in good and bad weather. You're seldom interacting with people and when you do some can become abusive. That's likely where all his negativity is coming from. IMO, people that think this way have a victim mentality, which is why he's projecting all this anger towards other people.

I think he should be disciplined for his conduct online, but I'm not sure if termination is the right answer. You have to look at his entire career to see if this is a one-off or a pattern.

Being mindful of what you say or do in public has always been a norm. The internet and social media (which is in the public eye) has just made it easier for people to post their random thoughts and others to swiftly react to it. Unfortunately, social media has exposed a core weakness in people where they cannot formulate complete thoughts anymore. Nor are they able to write, speak or think rationally.
 
He deserves to be fired.
What idiot doesn't have an anonymous twitter account to shitpost on?
Anyone that stupid shouldn't wear a badge.
 
It's an HR issue within Toronto Police, not a criminal investigation.

The worse that can happen is he gets fired.

Property rights are not protected under the constitution of Canada. Therefore, your employment is not protected when you act like an ignorant human being.

If he said that to an individual in public then he could be charged criminally for hate speech but being employed by the police I doubt that would happen.
 
It's an HR issue within Toronto Police, not a criminal investigation.

The worse that can happen is he gets fired.

Property rights are not protected under the constitution of Canada. Therefore, your employment is not protected when you act like an ignorant human being.

If he said that to an individual in public then he could be charged criminally for hate speech but being employed by the police I doubt that would happen.
 
There is so much rhetoric about Muslims now and you can’t even utter a negative word or have an opinion any longer . ....

Yes, rhetoric that targets an entire group is racist/xenophobic/whatever term you want to use to describe your views. There is nothing wrong with saying Omar smells or that the family beside you are assholes. But you obviously prefer to ascribe the problems to the entire group.

And you are completely free to express whatever view you want. You just want a world where there are no consequences to your actions.
 
If he said that to an individual in public then he could be charged criminally for hate speech but being employed by the police I doubt that would happen.

If he did that in public it would be a criminal act, his ass would be thrown on jail and probably get a sentence that's double harsh than a member of the public. As an officer working for Toronto Police he should know better.

It's hate speech what he wrote, but he wrote it on his own account, which gives him the right of expression. He was not addressing the public.

Let's say he would have made 1 flyer and place it on a poll in public, then the hate speech laws would be used to charge his stupid ass.