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Except they just openly admitted that the two Canadians are being held as a tit for tat. Their girl is being held hostage by a third party. Canada. As somebody else pointed out. We are doing America's dirty work. Trudeau's pontificating that we can't start a precedent by caving doesn't really hold water. Quit holding their citizens hostage at the bidding of the U.S. and we shouldn't really run into this problem often. Many respected Canadians signed a letter asking him to do the right thing, because they see the bullshit. He apparently can't and thinks he is showing strength. He's not.
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It was a gigantic fuckup from the beginning. I blame it on Freeland (and Trudeau)
Trudeau is right to reject call to swap Meng Wanzhou for the ‘Two Michaels’
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has emphatically rejected a call by several prominent Canadians to politically intervene to end the extradition proceedings against Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou and send her home to China in exchange for the freedom of Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor.
To do so would “imperil thousands of Canadians travelling in China and around the world,” Trudeau said.
“The bigger question is whether or not we want China or other countries to get the message that all they have to do to get leverage over the Canadian government is randomly arrest a couple of Canadians,” Trudeau said, his face showing some irritation at the mention of the petition.
It was in Mindanao April 2016 that Robert Hall and John Ridsdel were beheaded after Trudeau stated that Canada would never negotiate with those who seized Canadians as hostages.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has emphatically rejected a call by several prominent Canadians to politically intervene to end the extradition proceedings against Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou and send her home to China in exchange for the freedom of Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor.
To do so would “imperil thousands of Canadians travelling in China and around the world,” Trudeau said.
“The bigger question is whether or not we want China or other countries to get the message that all they have to do to get leverage over the Canadian government is randomly arrest a couple of Canadians,” Trudeau said, his face showing some irritation at the mention of the petition.
It was in Mindanao April 2016 that Robert Hall and John Ridsdel were beheaded after Trudeau stated that Canada would never negotiate with those who seized Canadians as hostages.
What an idiot. There is no request or need for negotiations. Just let her travel back to China. USA can ask China for extradition.g
'Irritating questions'
Ridsdel and Hall were part of a group of people kidnapped in the southern Philippines in 2015 by Islamist militant Abu Sayyaf, who demanded a large ransom.
The hostages included Hall's Filipino girlfriend, Marites Flor, and a Norwegian man, Kjartan Sekkingstad.
Not really a fair comparison. China is pretty much a clear case of tit for tat. Release our girl.we will release your hostages. They kind of have a point. You are acting on behalf of somebody else's interests. The pressure Trudeau is under is from the Americans. We all know the Chinese are spying. Yet we still do business with them. The two Mikes are sacrificial lambs.
Canada has an extradition treaty with the US.
If the charges against Meng are baseless, she should go to the US and expose them.
Likewise, I assume you believe that, if the charges against the two Canadians held in China are baseless, they will surely be exposed.
That is an idiotic assumption as it presumes that you think China`s justice system is independent and just.
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The USA knows not a single other country would have detained her and extradited her to the US on bogus charges, I really have no idea what Trudeau was thinking on this one.
Everyone with a little common sense knows this was an attempt by Trump to try to persuade American allies and the world to avoid using Huawei equipment in their 5G telecommunications systems so the American telecommunications companies can catch up to Huawei on the technology, which by all reports they are nowhere close to catching up and it would take 5 years or so.
And this is where all the American disinformation about 5G technology comes in, as soon as the American telecommunications companies catch up on the 5G technology the disinformation will evaporate into thin air.
I do believe the Canadian government is now trying to drag this out so that they deal with it after Trump is out of the office in January.
Canada is NOT holding anyone hostage. To compare a lawful arrest under international treaties to what the Chinese are doing is misguided and completely misses the point of what is happening here.
This quarrel is between Washington and Beijing. If you notice China dare not kidnap or incarcerate any Americans over Meng, but goes after impotent Canada because they can. Trudeau should have publically insisted that China and Trump work out this problem as Canada is merely following treaty law. something that is lost on totalitarian China. Canada is beholden to American and Trudeau's advisers would not want to anger Trump, especially in an election year over Meng and the looming 5G issue. Considering a prisoner exchange is a non starter. Unfortunately, the two Canadians held hostage in Canada by the PRC are viewed as expendable by Canada and the Americans as the billionairess Meng living the luxury life in Canada is the big prize.
The PRC and Trump have in common that they both use their immense power very childessly.
It is not a lawful arrest, if the charges are bogus. It is not China's fault that US telecommunication companies have fallen behind Huawei.
Actually, in the future we will be seeing China overtake USA in many areas of technology.
That’s why they are having the extradition hearing instead of just arresting her and immediately sending her to the US.
The Canadian authorities believe she violated the law. A court will determine if this is so which, by all appearances, appears to be the case. The process is lawful...unlike what tgd
So...if people want to call this a hostage situation by Canada then every person who has ever been arrested by the police was taken “hostage”.
I honestly do not understand what is so difficult for people to grasp about this.
So, you think it is a crime in Canada for a Chinese company to do business in other country, just because the USA president has sanctioned that country.
That is the basis for the arrest.
Any other minister but the idiot Freedland would have been smart enough to avoid this spectacle by giving Meng a hint to take another route to avoid Canada.
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It doesn’t matter what I think...but the judge thinks so:
Canada braces for economic retaliation from China following Meng Wanzhou court ruling
Ottawa sought to assure China that the court’s decision was a product of Canada’s legal system and out of its hands
www.theglobeandmail.com
Ms. Meng’s lawyers had argued that because Canada dropped its own sanctions against Iran in 2016, Ms. Meng’s actions would not be illegal here. But Justice Holmes said “the essence of the alleged wrongful conduct in this case is the making of intentionally false statements," or fraud, which is a crime in both countries.
It is a Kangaroo court ruling. And you complain about Chinese justice. The key to the charges against Meng is Huawei trading with Iran in conflict with USA sanctions. You can dress up that charge any way you want.It doesn’t matter what I think...but the judge thinks so:
Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes of the B.C. Supreme Court ruled that a key legal test to extradite had been met: that the criminal conduct alleged by the United States must also be considered criminal in Canada. The U.S. alleges the Chinese executive lied to HSBC about Huawei’s business in Iran, which put a U.S. subsidiary of the global bank at risk of running afoul of sanctions on Iran.Canada braces for economic retaliation from China following Meng Wanzhou court ruling
Ottawa sought to assure China that the court’s decision was a product of Canada’s legal system and out of its hands
Ms. Meng’s lawyers had argued that because Canada dropped its own sanctions against Iran in 2016, Ms. Meng’s actions would not be illegal here. But Justice Holmes said “the essence of the alleged wrongful conduct in this case is the making of intentionally false statements," or fraud, which is a crime in both countries.
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This is an important distinction between us vs China. There is nothing similar about Canada’s arrest of Weng vs China’s arrest of our citizens.
If you think Canada should have not honoured it’s international treaty obligations then you are entitled to that point of view. I strongly disagree with you on that too, though.
Canada is a nation of laws. We work constructively with other countries and try to be good international citizens. It defines us as a nation and has helped us develop our country to be one if the best places in the world to live. We need to stand by our values, defend them, and not allow ourselves to be bullied by less ethical nations.
Sometimes there is a cost for standing up for our beliefs...but the cost of selling ourselves out is higher. Canadians who complain about this need to grow a set and stop being such cowards.
It is NOT a kangaroo court. It is entirely legal and completely appropriate. You can disagree with the judge’s decision if you like...you can disagree with the decision to arrest Weng....but there is NOTHING illegal or improper about Canada’s actions.
This is an important distinction between us vs China. There is nothing similar about Canada’s arrest of Weng vs China’s arrest of our citizens.
If you think Canada should have not honoured it’s international treaty obligations then you are entitled to that point of view. I strongly disagree with you on that too, though.
Canada is a nation of laws. We work constructively with other countries and try to be good international citizens. It defines us as a nation and has helped us develop our country to be one if the best places in the world to live. We need to stand by our values, defend them, and not allow ourselves to be bullied by less ethical nations.
Sometimes there is a cost for standing up for our beliefs...but the cost of selling ourselves out is higher. Canadians who complain about this need to grow a set and stop being such cowards.
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