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How many doses of AZ are we getting?
 
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37 reports of blood clots out of 17 million doses with no evidence of a causal link.

Meanwhile, blood clots hit around 1 in 1000 people going up to 7 in 1000 for older populations.
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But lets hear a bunch of people who think vaccines are bad complain about a vaccine that they never planned to get.
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I'm not against vaccines, but I was reading somewhere today that those that got the pfizer and moderna didn't get no blood clots.
 
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I haven't read the report or anything yet. But I do know that blood clot cases has increase a lot since the pandemic. Were these people positive, maybe. Or maybe this vaccine increase the risk, which are already much higher with this virus.

I will not be surprise to see the same with the other 3 vaccines we have so far.
 
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Got my AstraZenica today. So if I get hit by a car next week does that mean the vaccine causes traffic fatalities?
 
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Perhaps we should not play politics, here. France, Germany and Italy are not third world countries nor the hotbeds for anti vaxers. They made their decisions based on something other than beliefs and emotions, I assume.instead of taking uninformed sides, we should be watching the development carefully and possibly follow in their foot steps. There are other vaccines and the vaccines were developed in "warp speed" without the usual long term trials.
 
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jcpro said:
Perhaps we should not play politics, here. France, Germany and Italy are not third world countries nor the hotbeds for anti vaxers. They made their decisions based on something other than beliefs and emotions, I assume.instead of taking uninformed sides, we should be watching the development carefully and possibly follow in their foot steps. There are other vaccines and the vaccines were developed in "warp speed" without the usual long term trials.
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Germany actually has a better vaccination record historically than Canada does
We have more anti-vaxxers than they do
 
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Twister said:
I'm not against vaccines, but I was reading somewhere today that those that got the pfizer and moderna didn't get no blood clots.
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There are no reports of serious clots after those shots. In science speak, doesn't quite mean they aren't there. The reason why this is being investigated is the statistical anomaly of these cases being only identified after the AZ shot and even more so because they seem to all be from the same batch. It's worth investigating whether there is a connection or whether it's just a coincidence.

When discussing the 37 cases, it's also worth noting that there were 17 million doses that started with the most vulnerable.
 
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Question is why ONLY people who are getting Astra Zeneca are getting blood clots. Why NOT the remaining other million Vaccines doing similar reactions.

Canada is supposed to get:

40m Pfizer
44m Moderna
10m J&J
20m Astra Zeneca

Pfizer & Moderna have 95 Efficacy, which the other two can't touch. Freaking Stuck in my house for a year now. I can wait a few more days to get Pfizer and Moderna.
 
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spacyfoil said:
Question is why ONLY people who are getting Astra Zeneca are getting blood clots. Why NOT the remaining other million Vaccines doing similar reactions.

Canada is supposed to get:

40m Pfizer
44m Moderna
10m J&J
20m Astra Zeneca

Pfizer & Moderna have 95 Efficacy, which the other two can't touch. Freaking Stuck in my house for a year now. I can wait a few more days to get Pfizer and Moderna.
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If I had a choice I would choose J&J first for the one-shot only factor.

It comes in at 100% reducing hospitalization and death. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/03/4...n-covid-19-vaccine-heres-what-you-should-know

The second choice would be Pfizer and Moderna and last Astrazenca and this is only because of having a choice which I do not believe we will have in the near future.

The reality is I will take whatever I can get my hands on when it's my turn.
 
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spacyfoil said:
Question is why ONLY people who are getting Astra Zeneca are getting blood clots. Why NOT the remaining other million Vaccines doing similar reactions.

Canada is supposed to get:

40m Pfizer
44m Moderna
10m J&J
20m Astra Zeneca

Pfizer & Moderna have 95 Efficacy, which the other two can't touch. Freaking Stuck in my house for a year now. I can wait a few more days to get Pfizer and Moderna.
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1st question, we don't know and we don't even know if there is a connection or if it just a statistical coincidence.

AstraZeneca was tested later and a significant amount of testing was in South Africa while that variant was common. It is quite likely that both Moderna and Pfizer wouldn't have performed in those circumstances.


Both of these are part of the issues involved with biological experiments; there are so many variables that can't be controlled so the conclusions are less sure than with physical properties.
 
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squeezer said:
If I had a choice I would choose J&J first for the one-shot only factor.

It comes in at 100% reducing hospitalization and death. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/03/4...n-covid-19-vaccine-heres-what-you-should-know

The second choice would be Pfizer and Moderna and last Astrazenca and this is only because of having a choice which I do not believe we will have in the near future.

The reality is I will take whatever I can get my hands on when it's my turn.
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That Kool Aid is strong stuff
Grape I bet

No vaccine ever in history of the world is 100% effective
To even try and make that claim is even more ludicrous than some of the other nonsense you have been posting



*edit and even your own source disavows what you claim lol
 
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I still don't see why people dont take a step back and think outside the box. By law, or at least unless its changed, you can't patent a natural remedy. So they got scientists making artificial shit with side effects. Now then, you are responsible for your own health, I hope everyone of us can agree on this. So taking a rushed, mind you, man-made vaccine, should click in our minds to be the equivalent of taking a skinny pill to lose weight automatically. It is not a substitute for poor health choices. We should not be relying on a vaccine to prevent us from getting sick, I mean people get the flu every year, and look how effective those vaccines are XD Stay safe and think nutrient rich animal foods to nourish the body because there won't be anything to detox if your body doesn't have the minerals to communicate that information to the rest of you.
 
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TeeJay said:
That Kool Aid is strong stuff
Grape I bet

No vaccine ever in history of the world is 100% effective
To even try and make that claim is even more ludicrous than some of the other nonsense you have been posting



*edit and even your own source disavows what you claim lol
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Read the article and read it carefully so you don't come off as a dimwit in every post you post!!!

100% effective in curving serious illness and hospitalization NOT contracting. READING IS YOUR FRIEND. Just do it slow so you grasp what you are reading.
 
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Chunky Protoss said:
I still don't see why people dont take a step back and think outside the box. By law, or at least unless its changed, you can't patent a natural remedy. So they got scientists making artificial shit with side effects. Now then, you are responsible for your own health, I hope everyone of us can agree on this. So taking a rushed, mind you, man-made vaccine, should click in our minds to be the equivalent of taking a skinny pill to lose weight automatically. It is not a substitute for poor health choices. We should not be relying on a vaccine to prevent us from getting sick, I mean people get the flu every year, and look how effective those vaccines are XD Stay safe and think nutrient rich animal foods to nourish the body because there won't be anything to detox if your body doesn't have the minerals to communicate that information to the rest of you.
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I see, do you think a good diet will cure COVID or even be able to not contract it?
 
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TeeJay said:
That Kool Aid is strong stuff
Grape I bet

No vaccine ever in history of the world is 100% effective
To even try and make that claim is even more ludicrous than some of the other nonsense you have been posting



*edit and even your own source disavows what you claim lol
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Vaccines don't need to be 100% effective.
Google smallpox.
Polio declared eradicated in Canada 1977 and 1979 (in US) , 3 doses are 99-100% effective.
Canada's elimination status for measles was achieved in 1998 with all the Americas achieving elimination status in 2002, resurgence in 2007 due to lack of vaccinations caused by vaccine misinformation.
Here is a list of 14 vaccines (including the two above) that could or have been eradicated through mass vaccinations.
 
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PeteOsborne

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TeeJay said:
Vaccine causes FATAL BLOODCLOTS

Now go be good puppies and take your jabs

www.ctvnews.ca

Germany, France suspend use of AstraZeneca vaccine

Germany and France have suspended the use of AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine over new reports of dangerous blood clots in connection with the shot.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
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Preliminary report on blood clot investigation from the EMA released yesterday, investigation is continuing.
Two main points outlined.
  • the vaccine is not associated with an increase in the overall risk of blood clots (thromboembolic events) in those who receive it;
  • there is no evidence of a problem related to specific batches of the vaccine or to particular manufacturing sites;
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/c...-risks-despite-possible-link-rare-blood-clots
 
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