Fox news vs Clinton (greatest interview ever)

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Read Clarke's book. Clinton gave orders to take OBL
OUT. But, as he said, the CIA, Pentagon, etc. said
it wasn't operationally possible. Conducting such
an operation requires 'boots on the ground' which
translates to you have to have permission for
overflights from Pakistan, support units on the ground
to assist the contact team, and alternatives if these
measures fail.

If you think you can do a fly-over with an F-22 Raptor
and neatly drop a missle in OBL's back pocket then
you've been watching too much TV and playing silly
computer games.

Civilians. They think its all about shoot-em-up heroics.
Isnt the democrats favourite word 'diplomacy'? I guess Clinton didnt have enough pull in the Middle East for cooperation. Thats a failure.

Also, what about all that time OBL was in Sudan or Somalia? Again, failure.

You're telling me a special ops with Pakistani support couldnt have nailed him? Its the President's job to get cooperation with other states. That is pure politics. He didnt.

I'm not saying it wouldve been easy. Far from it. But Clinton clearly failed. Just man up and admit it.
 

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Dubya & his INTELLIGENCE FAILURES

LOL !!!!
This just gets sillier & sillier.

Clinton goes on Faux news and RIPS THE neocons A NEW ONE and ends up singlehandedly BUSHWACKING the bushwackers who planned to ambush Billy boy at the Faux news corral!
The Duke, John Wayne couldn't have done it better!.......;)
So what's Rove's response: 'the same old same old' ....blame it all on Clinton after all these years!

After all Dubya never makes mistakes.... eh?

This cartoon pretty much sums up Dubya's Debacles and his sorry upcoming legacy.

Enjoy:

http://www.stripclublist.com/postimages/2139saw-it-but2dumb.jpg
 

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If you listened to what he said, he's attempting to shift the blame. He had plenty of opportunity to nail OBL and failed. Thats the bottom line. Sure, Bush didnt anything for his 8 mths. That is irrelevant to the hard fact that he failed to get OBL. Seeing Clinton so defensive was disgraceful. Again, he should accept the blame and admit it his failure. Richard Clarke was more honourable. At least he clearl admitted the entire failure.
Bush has been attempting to shift the blame for 9/11 onto Clinton. Clinton was setting the record straight insofar as Clinton had recognized the threat and at least took steps against OBL / AQ before 9/11. Bush did absolutely nothing until after the twin towers were gone. Those hijacked airliners were Bush's very first clue which is a bigger disgrace than a failed attempt.

Setting down the facts in one's own defence is not exactly blaming others. If the facts are clearly on the record for all to see, there is nothing wrong with Clinton restating them to counteract Bush's smear campaign. Clinton failed to get OBL but not because he was totally oblivious to the threat and living in his own little cocoon like Bush was.

They both failed to get OBL but you make it sound like it should have been a relatively simple operation. It was then and it is now just about impossible to get OBL. So they were never likely to get him. The difference is that Clinton was smart enough and paying attention enough to at least realize it was important.
 

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Bush has been attempting to shift the blame for 9/11 onto Clinton. Clinton was setting the record straight insofar as Clinton had recognized the threat and at least took steps against OBL / AQ before 9/11. Bush did absolutely nothing until after the twin towers were gone. Those hijacked airliners were Bush's very first clue which is a bigger disgrace than a failed attempt.

Setting down the facts in one's own defence is not exactly blaming others. If the facts are clearly on the record for all to see, there is nothing wrong with Clinton restating them to counteract Bush's smear campaign. Clinton failed to get OBL but not because he was totally oblivious to the threat and living in his own little cocoon like Bush was.

They both failed to get OBL but you make it sound like it should have been a relatively simple operation. It was then and it is now just about impossible to get OBL. So they were never likely to get him. The difference is that Clinton was smart enough and paying attention enough to at least realize it was important.
Hardly. Listen to Richard Clarke's testimony in 911 commission. He felt everyone was to blame. I agree with him.

That being said, it really is that simple to assasinate someone. It just depends on how bad you want to do it.
 

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That being said, it really is that simple to assasinate someone. It just depends on how bad you want to do it.
Since Dubya disbanded the CIA and military units assigned to search/assasinate OBL, it looked like Dubya wasn't all that concerned about taking out Osama in the first place!

No surprise since the Bush & Bin Laden families have been close friends for decades...........;)

Rumors have been floating about that the Bin Laden familiy told Dubya 'as long as you leave Osama alone'.......Osama won't hit the USA again.
 

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No wonder the guy got mad - he was asked to do an interview and refused, then Fox comes back and says it's about his work in Africa and then they spring this question.
That's not what happened at all. It was agreed the interview would be split between his Africa/Global Warming work and anything else Fox wanted to ask. It was a legitimate question, as Clinton himself acknowledged. He just wanted a Bush41/Dan Rather episode to rally the base.
 

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Bush & Bin Laden family, close friends for years

An article in the French daily Le Figaro confirms that Osama bin Laden underwent surgery in an American Hospital in Dubai in July.

During his stay in the hospital, he met with a CIA official. While on the World's "most wanted list", no attempt was made to arrest him during his two week stay in the hospital, shedding doubt on the Administration's resolve to track down Osama bin Laden.

Barely a few days ago Defense Secretary Rumsfeld stated that it would be difficult to find him and extradite him. Its like "searching for a needle in a stack of hay". But the US could have ordered his arrest and extradition in Dubai last July. But then they would not have had a pretext of waging a war. Meanwhile, innocent civilians are being killed by B-52 Bombers as means "to go after" Osama bin Laden. According to UN sources, the so-called "campaign against international terrorism" could lead to the death of several million people from an impending famine.


The original article in French is also posted on the CRG webpage.

Michel Chossudovsky, CRG. 2 November 2001

The CIA met Bin Laden while undergoing treatment at an American Hospital last July in Dubai

by Alexandra Richard
Translated courtesy of Tiphaine Dickson

Le Figaro, 11 October 2001
Posted at globalresearch.ca 2 November 2001

Dubai, one of the seven emirates of the Federation of the United Arab Emirates, North-East of Abi-Dhabi. This city, population 350,000, was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July. A partner of the administration of the American Hospital in Dubai claims that public enemy number one stayed at this hospital between the 4th and 14th of July.

Having taken off from the Quetta airport in Pakistan, bin Laden was transferred to the hospital upon his arrival at Dubai airport. He was accompanied by his personal physician and faithful lieutenant, who could be Ayman al-Zawahari--but on this sources are not entirely certain--, four bodyguards, as well as a male Algerian nurse, and admitted to the American Hospital, a glass and marble building situated between the Al-Garhoud and Al-Maktoum bridges.

Each floor of the hospital has two "VIP" suites and fifteen rooms. The Saudi billionnaire was admitted to the well-respected urology department run by Teerry Callaway, gallstone and infertility specialist. Dr Callaway declined to respond to our questions despite several phone calls.

As early as March, 2000, 'Asia Week,' published in Hong Kong, expressed concern for bin Laden's health, describing a serious medical problem that could put his life in danger because of "a kidney infection that is propagating itself to the liver and requires specialized treatment". According to authorized sources, bin Laden had mobile dialysis equipment shipped to his hideout in Kandahar in the first part of 2000. According to our sources, bin Laden's "travels for health reasons" have taken place before. Between 1996 and 1998, bin Laden made several trips to Dubai on business.

On September 27th, 15 days after the World Trade Center attacks, at the request of the United States, the Central Bank of the Arab Emirates announced an order to freeze assts and investments of 26 people or organisations suspected of mainting contact with bin Laden's organization, and in particular at the Dubai Islamic Bank.

"Relations between the Emirate and Saudi Arabia have always been very close," according to sources, "princes of reigning families, having recognized the Taliban regime, often travelled to Afghanistan. One of the princes of a ruling family regularily went hunting on the land of bin Laden, whom he had known and visited for many years."

There are daily flights between Dubai and Quetta by both Pakistan and Emirates Airlines. As to private planes from Saudi Arabia or from the Emirates, they regulariy fly to Quetta, where their arrival is rarely registered in airport logs.

While he was hospitalised, bin Laden received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay, the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to go to bin Laden's hospital room.

A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited bin Laden. Authorised sources say that on July 15th, the day after bin Laden returned to Quetta, the CIA agent was called back to headquarters.

In late July, Emirates customs agents arrested Franco-Algerian activist Djamel Beghal at the Dubai airport. In early August, French and American authorities were advised of the arrest. Interrogated by local authorities in Abu Dhabi, Beghal stated that he was called to Afghanistan in late 2000 by Abou Zoubeida, a military leader of bin Laden's organization, Al Qaeda. Beghal's mission: bomb the US embassy on Gabriel avenue, near the Place de la Concorde, upon his return to France.

According to Arab diplomatic sources as well as French intelligence, very specific information was transmitted to the CIA with respect to terrorist attacks against American interests around the world, including on US soil. A DST report dated 7 September enumerates all the intelligence, and specifies that the order to attack was to come from Afghanistan.

In August, at the US Embassy in Paris, an emergency meeting was called between the DGSE (French foreign intelligence service) and senior US intelligence officials. The Americans were extremely worried, and requested very specific information from the French about Algerian activists, without advising their counterparts about the reasons for their requests. To the question "what do you fear in the coming days?", the Americans kept a difficult-to-fathom silence.

Contacts between the CIA and bin Laden began in 1979 when, as a representative of his family's business, bin Laden began recruiting volunteers for the Afghan resistance against the Red Army. FBI investigators examining the embassy bombing sites in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam discovered that evidence led to military explosives from the US Army, and that these explosives had been delivered threee years earlier to Afghan Arabs, the infamous international volunteer brigades involved side by side with bin Laden during the Afghan war against the Red Army.

In the pursuit of its investigations, the FBI discovered "financing agreements" that the CIA had been developing with its "arab friends" for years. The Dubai meeting is then within the logic of "a certain American policy".

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html
 

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Mao Tse Tongue said:
Clinton knew exactly what he was doing when agreed to the interview, as Bill Kristol pointed out in one of his columns. He's not an idiot--he knew Wallace would spring it on him (FOX after all), and he found a great way to rally the Dems and give a boost to Hillary, while she floats above the fray.

Clinton is a very smart man, and he knew his histrionics would play all over the media and blogosphere, and put heat on the Bush Admin. Though Clarke is critical of Clinton at times, Clinton knows that Clarke's rep cannot be sullied, so he's using that as a battering ram.

It's great to see Clinton pissed again. Lately he's been a little too Dalai Lama for me, though I applaud his work, which is truly amazing. You know Bush will never do such work.
I see it the same way, but apparently Clinton attacked his staff after the interview, threatening to fire them if they put him in a situation like that again. What an asshole. Clinton is supposedly one the smartest politicians around (IQ and political smarts) yet he had no idea FOX would ask him that question?
 

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Fritz96 said:
I see it the same way, but apparently Clinton attacked his staff after the interview, threatening to fire them if they put him in a situation like that again. What an asshole. Clinton is supposedly one the smartest politicians around (IQ and political smarts) yet he had no idea FOX would ask him that question?

Interesting 'spin' there Fritz.

Thought Rove would prep you boys better than that!

Unfortunately it doesn't make much sense when one thinks it over.
Bill's staff is expected to be clairvoyant and somehow know a 'bushwacking' was planned by Faux news????.......:rolleyes:
 

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Typical bullshit post from you. First off, I don't like FOX anymore then I like Clinton. It's not that they're rightwing, it's that they claim to be fair and balanced. My points an obvious one. If Clinton didn't think FOX news would ask him that question, he's a fool. As for your lack of intelligence, you really think Clinton walked in there in good faith expecting a bunch of softball questions about global warming? The agreement was for 7 minutes of whatever FOX wanted to ask him. Everyone except you and Clinton knew one question would be why didn't he try harder to get Bin Laden. Clinton wanted to energize the left and considering how much you and the C&L nuts are (insert Clinton sexual reference here) it worked.
 

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Dubya's lame bush-league rebuttal to Bill Clinton

Guess "finger-pointing" is the K Rove buzz word today!
Condi parrots it nicely also.......
After two long days after Clinton took Team 'w' to the woodshed on Faux news......this is Dubya's lame retort.........:rolleyes:


Bush dismisses Clinton critique as "finger-pointing"

By Matt Spetalnick
1 hour, 59 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
President Bush on Tuesday dismissed as "finger-pointing" criticism from his predecessor
Bill Clinton of his counter-terrorism efforts in the months leading up to the September 11 attacks.


Clinton, angrily defending his own administration's attempts to capture or kill
Osama bin Laden, had accused the Bush administration of doing far less to stop the al Qaeda leader before the 2001 hijack plane attacks.

Bush, who is trying to stave off a Democratic takeover of Congress in November, seemed to bristle when asked about Clinton, only to sidestep his assertions.

"We'll let history judge all the different finger-pointing and all that business. I don't have enough time to finger-point," he said at a news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

"I've got to do my job," he added, "and that is to protect the American people from further attacks."

Bush spoke two days after "Fox News Sunday" aired a heated interview in which Clinton defended steps he took after al Qaeda's attack on the
USS Cole in 2000 and faulted criticism by "right-wingers" of his efforts to capture bin Laden.

"They had eight months to try, they did not try," Clinton said of the Bush administration response. The September 11 attacks occurred almost eight months after Bush succeeded Clinton.

Clinton also said when his term ended he left the new Republican administration "battle plans" for going into
Afghanistan, overthrowing the Taliban and launching a full-scale search for bin Laden.

U.S. Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice disputed Clinton's statement. "We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda," she told the New York Post.

Asked about Clinton's comments, Bush said, "I've watched all the finger-pointing and namings of names and all that stuff. Our objective is to secure the country. We've had investigations. We had the 9/11 commission, we've had the look-back this, we had the look-back that."

Bush also said it was "preposterous" for opponents of his
Iraq war strategy to call for a swift U.S. troop withdrawal.

He has sought to rally public support for the unpopular Iraq war by framing it as an extension of the "war on terrorism" he declared after the September 11 attacks. Many Democrats say Iraq is a distraction from the broader fight.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060926/pl_nm/bush_clinton_dc_1
 

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Bush also said it was "preposterous" for opponents of his
Iraq war strategy to call for a swift U.S. troop withdrawal.
He actually got his tongue around a 4 syllable word. That must have taken Rove a whole morning ...at least...

Well done George...
 

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Well, here's Clinton confirming only half the questions were supposed to be about his humanitarian work. Clinton getting angry that half the questions weren't about global warming only 3 minutes into a 15 minute interview is another issue. I basically agree with the rest of your post, it was a leading question. That goes with the territory, every leader gets them. If that's a good basis for exploding at the media, Harper would have attacked several interviewers by now. Clinton knew this was a great opportunity to finally hit back at the right after being falsely blamed and he took it.


CLINTON: You set this meeting up because you were going to get a lot of criticism from your viewers because Rupert Murdoch's supporting my work on climate change.

And you came here under false pretenses and said that you'd spend half the time talking about — you said you'd spend half the time talking about what we did out there to raise $7-billion-plus in three days from 215 different commitments. And you don't care.
 

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Fritz96 said:
Typical bullshit post from you. First off, I don't like FOX anymore then I like Clinton. It's not that they're rightwing, it's that they claim to be fair and balanced. My points an obvious one. If Clinton didn't think FOX news would ask him that question, he's a fool. As for your lack of intelligence, you really think Clinton walked in there in good faith expecting a bunch of softball questions about global warming? The agreement was for 7 minutes of whatever FOX wanted to ask him. Everyone except you and Clinton knew one question would be why didn't he try harder to get Bin Laden. Clinton wanted to energize the left and considering how much you and the C&L nuts are (insert Clinton sexual reference here) it worked.
I actually do remember reading somewhere (i can't find that article for the life of me right now) that Clinton did blow up on an aide after the interview. But I can't blame him, I'd be pissed off too if I were put in his position.

Nevertheless....

CLINTON/OBAMA 2008!!!
 

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bias? that isn't bias, THIS is:

allaboutben said:
If you listened to what he said, he's attempting to shift the blame. He had plenty of opportunity to nail OBL and failed. Thats the bottom line. Sure, Bush didnt anything for his 8 mths. That is irrelevant to the hard fact that he failed to get OBL. Seeing Clinton so defensive was disgraceful. Again, he should accept the blame and admit it his failure. Richard Clarke was more honourable. At least he clearl admitted the entire failure.
Clinton several times admitted his failure in the interview, clearly and undeniably. When has Bush ever admitted responsibility for anything, much less actual failure? And this, from the most inept presidency since Harding and U.S Grant.

MW
 

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Geography 201

DonQuixote said:
Both Harding and Grant are from Ohio.
How dare you compare a Texan from
my beloved fellow Ohioans.
But, DQ! Weren't they both from southern Ohio? You know, near the Texas border?

MW
 

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DonQuixote said:
Why would you. The surveys are pointing to
the perception that he got the better of the
interview.

I got the impression we saw the real Bubba
in action. He didn't show much regard for
Wallace's position. Nothing dainty about
that dialogue.

Then he goes off to London and charms
their parliament. What a political actor.
His body language was that of a liar. He didn't look comfortable at all.
 

Mcluhan

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DonQuixote said:
You should consider a career as a clinical
psychologist or a political operative.

He was pissed and he'd had enough.
You're entitled to your opinion. So
too me.

9/11 has become another divisive issue
in American politics and culture.

One fact is clear, Bush didn't take OBL
seriously prior to 9/11.
Clinton's ire put him in top form. What a communicator. You couldn't pay me enough gold coins to be on the receiving end of that wrath.. You have to be one hell of man to pick holes in that guy face to face. A true powerhouse, probably the greatest politician of our time.
 

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Addendum

DonQuixote said:
One fact is clear, Bush didn't take OBL
seriously prior to 9/11.
For that matter, he didn't take OBL seriously, after 9/11. Imagine it, here is the greatest criminal perpetrator against the US in the history of the country, and they have him cornered on a mountain side, with the whole world watching the field commander screams into his uplink for 600 special forces, and they send in 60...1/10. I have never seen to this day a reasonable explanation... there can't be one.
 
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