Formula 1 thoughts:

TQM

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It's pretty amazing, to me, that there isn't a thread about this here.

Without a doubt this has been the most intense and exciting season for Formula 1 since Jacques Villeneuve won his World Championship a decade ago.

First, we start with the titanic struggle between the two heavyweight teams - Mclaren-Mercedes and Ferrari. The Mclaren-Mercedes team has added vehicle reliablity and two new drivers to its team - one the reigning world champion Fernando Alonso; the second the very, very young phenom, Lewis Hamilton.

Ferrari replaced many time champ Michael Schumacher with the former next best thing - Kimi Raikkonen, and back up Felipe Massa (a big improvement over Rubens Barrichello).

After the first few races, it became clear these were the two teams who'd be duking it out all season, leaving all the rest behind (including Renault - who's success the last couple of years has apparently vanished).

Things haven't gone smoothly from the outset for Mclaren-Mercedes. Both drivers accused their team of supporting the other driver. Hamilton pointed out to the orders he received one race to not challenge Alonso for the lead late in a race (Monaco, I think). Alonso countered that Mclaren-Mercedes is based in Britain and Hamilton is British and therefore was favoured.

Most saw this bickering as the bickering expected when two teamates realize they are competing against each other as much as they are competing against the rest of the field - and given that Hamilton and Alonso were ranked 1-2, this feeling intensified. But no big deal.

Then things got interesting.

The spying scandal errupted. A Mclaren employee was found to have private Ferrari documents in his possession in his home (raided by the police). A longtime respected Ferrari employee was immediately fired and accused of espionage. In response, Mclaren removed the Mclaren employee from his job with them and claimed they gained no knowledge of what had transpired until the matter became public.

Ferrari, naturally, doesn't buy this line from Mclaren. Mclaren then upped the ante, claiming the Ferrari employee was providing them evidence that the Ferrari car which raced in the first races was in fact knowingly illegal - a claim which basically means that Ferrari was cheating.

Accusations are now flying back and forth and the blood between the two teams is rising. (Hard to believe that a Ferrari employee, out of the goodness of his heart, wanted to confess to cheating - but confess, not to the authorities, but instead, to the most bitter rival.)

Then came this last weekend at the Hungaroring.

Hamilton allegedly ignored a team order to let Alonso pass in the pit lanes during qualifying (who knows why?), and then Alonso, who had the fastest qualifying times until then, with Hamilton a close second, blocked Hamilton from attempting his last qualifying lap. This "guaranteed" Alonso would start from the pole position, with Hamilton behind him.

Fireworks went off.

F1 stewards got wind of this and knocked Alonso back 5 positions on the grid, giving the pole position, ironically, to Hamilton. They also penalized the Mclaren team stripping it of any points it would achieve toward the Constructors' championship(the combined points of both racers).

Hamilton won the race. Alonso was only able to finish 4th. It's apparent they now hate each other intensely.

News reports now suggest Alonso has been given the green light to leave Mclaren at the end of the season. Reports also suggest Ferrari is going to court Alonso and other reports suggest Ferrari will court Hamilton - who is exceptionally poorly paid by Mclaren.

So - Hamilton is closing in on a World Championship and is poorly paid and hated by his teamate. He is also on the outs with his team. Alonso can't stand his team or his teamate. And all of this with a spy scandal as icing!
 
Sheik said:
Three words come to mind...... too much drama

That's what makes it great! It's like a cross between a sport and a soap opera?

I've tried a couple of times to get an F1 thread going but I don't think a lot of terb regulars care about it. I was surprised.

As for this season, it's been memorable for sure. Lots of twists and surprises. I'm pretty sure we'll see Hamilton go to Big Red next season. This past weekend he definitely got on the wrong side of Ron Dennis.
 
What a great update! Unfortunitly I havn't had a lot of time this year to follow the races but this makes up for it TQM
thanks
B D
 
looking,

Well there is certainly a rumour out there that Fiat has given Ferrari orders to pursue Hamilton. And Hamilton certainly won't be available for the salary he's getting this year (Raikkonen is earning about 50 times more).

So - I'm guessing Hamilton is a) thinking he's the most underpaid driver ever; b) not to happy with Ron Dennis right now; and c) thinks Fernando Alonso is a prick.
 
Sheik - sorry to disturb you.

You're right too much drama. What was I thinking, wanting sports to be dramatic?

Go back to your lawn bowling.
 
Formula 1 is the worst car racing there is. If you win the poll basically you win the race. There is very little passing. There is only 2 teams really that can win. Yes I know it is popular in Europe
 
Dartman,

Passing can be very difficult - but why should it be easy?

The fact is, every aspect of an F1 race is crucial - from pit stop & fuel strategy to pit stop execution; from tire selection to starting strategy to even to passing strategy.

Who can forget Kimi Raikonnen and Michael Schumacher in the past couple of years starting from dead last and making their way into the top positions?

Sure - curently, only two teams are really in it, though suprisingly, the old Sauber team - now BMW - has performed really, really well for a solid 3rd place - still techinically within reach of a Constructor's championship.

and when the winner wins by less than 5 seconds - after 70 laps, it's hard not to think that exciting.
 
TQM said:
Well there is certainly a rumour out there that Fiat has given Ferrari orders to pursue Hamilton. And Hamilton certainly won't be available for the salary he's getting this year (Raikkonen is earning about 50 times more).

So - I'm guessing Hamilton is a) thinking he's the most underpaid driver ever; b) not to happy with Ron Dennis right now; and c) thinks Fernando Alonso is a prick.

If Hamilton replaces Masa at Ferrari we could see the same situation there we are seeing at McLaren this season. Two high quality drivers on the same competetive team. Maybe Hamilton should prove himself at Renault (Beneton) like Alonso and Shuey did.

From what I've heard Hamilton wasn't very cooperative with the team this weekend. If so, Ron Dennis is going to side with Alonso (a few weeks ago the talk was Alonso was feeling the British team was favouring the British driver) so I would be very surprised if Hamilton remains with McLaren next season.

As for the blocking incedent in the pits during qualifying, Alsonso was being held by his engineers. The tactic may have been a stalling one but it's hard to blame Alonso for not pulling away with the lolipop sitting on his nose.
 
Dartman said:
Formula 1 is the worst car racing there is. If you win the poll basically you win the race. There is very little passing. There is only 2 teams really that can win. Yes I know it is popular in Europe

There is some truth to what you're saying.

Still, IMO, it beats the hell out of watching cars go around in circles for 4 hours.
 
I like any form of car racing. The faster they go the better. That being said however the things I don't like the most about F1 have already been pointed out. Hard to pass?? Hell it's damn near impossible. The only way a race is won in F1 is by taking the pole (82% of all wins in F1 are won from the pole) in the pits (15% are won by pit errors or strategies played out properly) or thanks to a crash (1.5%) the final 1.5% is when there is an actual pass on the track that is not pit related in any way. I have seen hundreds of races and the same still holds true: fastest in qualifying = fastest on race day. Hamilton is going to win the series in his rookie year and command a salary that is worthy of his driving skill and prowess. Finally a black driver that has proven that it is about THE race.... and not just about race.

Champ car and Indy have completely lost me as a fan because of the small fields that each league runs every race. 17 cars? Come on people... re-combine for the love of your sport and put the ego's behind you. You've killed what was once the best North American race car series.

NASCAR has gotten my full attention in the past few year. 42 - 43 cars in teh field, 12 - 15 lead changes in each race by 5 - 8 different drivers, passes on the track are easily done, pit mistakes and strategies can make or break a race. If you can get over the "redneck factor" it really is an awesome series to watch. Bad news with NASCAR though is that the races are too long over all. But I guess that the endurance of the high milage is what makes the things I like about it that much more attractive.
 
F1 took a hit when Aryton Senna died. The rivalry between him and Schumacher would have taken racing to another level; without him, once Ferrari got it together, Schumacher dominated F1 to the point of apathy.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Senna crash at Ferrari's home track at Imola?
 
Von Wigglestaff said:
F1 took a hit when Aryton Senna died. The rivalry between him and Schumacher would have taken racing to another level; without him, once Ferrari got it together, Schumacher dominated F1 to the point of apathy.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Senna crash at Ferrari's home track at Imola?

Yes, the San Marino GP at Imola.
 
further thoughts:

1) Kimi's not the feuding type. He doesn't care who his team mate is.

2) The Alonso - my engineers were holding me up - excuse - don't buy it for a minute. When the lollipop lifts, you go. Find me one other example in the history of F1 when that wasn't so.

It was obvious. It was deliberate. If there really were some engineer at fault, why hasn't he been named? Why hasn't he been fired? It would help to exonerate Alonso. The bottom line is it was an excuse - and a bad one at that. He was trying to cover his tracks.

Again, Dennis has given Alonso permission to leave the team at the end of the season in spite of a 3 year contract. That tells you who he's siding with. The problem is, he may end up losing both drivers.
 
Thanks Jaedon for the percent winning from the pole. To the person who said why should passing be made easiler, well if you don't have the poll you have to pass. Don't get me wrong Formult 1 has its moments but there are very few combared to other racing.
 
TQM said:
1) Kimi's not the feuding type. He doesn't care who his team mate is.

2) The Alonso - my engineers were holding me up - excuse - don't buy it for a minute. When the lollipop lifts, you go. Find me one other example in the history of F1 when that wasn't so.

It was obvious. It was deliberate. If there really were some engineer at fault, why hasn't he been named? Why hasn't he been fired? It would help to exonerate Alonso. The bottom line is it was an excuse - and a bad one at that. He was trying to cover his tracks.

Again, Dennis has given Alonso permission to leave the team at the end of the season in spite of a 3 year contract. That tells you who he's siding with. The problem is, he may end up losing both drivers.

You're right the lolipop was up but I remembered seeing an engineer counting him out of the pits while Hamilton waited.

All the same, Hamilton wasn't very cooperative during qualifying either.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/08/04/dennis-hold-up-is-hamilton-s-fault/
 
TQM said:
The problem is, he may end up losing both drivers.
I don't know about that...

Alonso has a better chance of bouncing than Hamilton. And if he does, why would Hamilton leave?

Hard to see the highest spending team in F1 drop a driver who they have developed in their system since he was 12 and grooming to be their number 1, right after he wins the Drivers Championship (assumption here but very likely or worst case, 3rd) as a rookie with tremendous upside...because they got outbid by Ferrari? Not likely.
 
the problem with F1 has been stated before, basically 2 or 3 teams have a chance of winning and thats it, put Lewis Hamilton in a Spykercar or Toro Rosso and we will see how awesome he really is, the disparity of money between teams is insane and makes any other sport just peanuts, give me NASCAR all the cars are pretty much the same, its a marathon with 43 cars in a blender, yes the races can be very long, but with 3 cars long and 4 cars deep in some parts of the track you know something is gonna happen
 
I used to be a big F1 fan, but ever since the rule changes in '98, namely, narrower cars and grooved tires, the racing has been extremely boring to watch. I understand they did it for the safety of the drivers and that's all good, but the entertainment value has suffered.

Also, the tv coverage stinks. Where are the in car shots? Bring the viewers to the action for chrissakes. Maybe the in car cams are used more now, but they certainly weren't used 7, 8 years ago.

As others have stated, it's all about qualifying and making it thru the first turn. Aside from that, you might be able to overtake with faster pit stops. Exciting.

The best racing I've seen was in the old British and German touring car championships. There would be the same bumping and trading paint as Nascar, but all on classy, historic road courses such as Donnington Park and Brands Hatch to name a few. All production cars too, BMW, Audi, Renault, Volvo etc.
 
my thoughts

here are my thoughts about everything thats going on in F1.

1) the spy scandal.
I'm glad the they are going to appeal the decision because it doesn't make any sense how you can find a team guilty of the sports code and not punish them. I don't want to see Mercedes disqualified, but just take points away from the team.

2) the drivers situation @ Mercedes.
Fernando has to smarten up and start acting like a champion! he was very, very lucky this past weekend when he was only dropped back to 6th when we all remember what happened last year to schumi when he "stalled" and was forced to start at the back of the grid. Hamilton is a great driver and i think he deserves to be where he is. He is challenging his team-mate which makes for good racing. i've never liked alonso, he is a good driver however. but his attitude sucks. i think that he (alonso) will leave mercedes at the end of year if he doesn't win the drivers championship. if he wins his third (which i hope he doesn't) he will stay and the same shit will happen next year.

3) the rest of the teams.
I'm glad to see that youngsters like Vettel are getting a shot, however it sucks that he has to do it with a shit car underneath him. Ferrari are in good shape i think, although i'm a little disappointed in both of the drivers performances but they are starting to pick it up. kimi more so than massa. i am extremly happy to see BMW up there with mercedes and ferrari. they have two great drivers and a very very good car. i predict next year it will be a 3 team race. honda is simply stinking it up.

4) final thoughts
For everyone who says that its only a two team race and so on, F1 is an expensive sport. if a team has money they will have a good car. i like to compare it to european football. look at all the great teams. they have money and during the season its really only a fight between a couple of teams. so in the end i think you'd have to have an appreciation for the sport.

once again my thoughts
 
abear said:
if a team has money they will have a good car.

Not true.
Toyota reputely has the biggest budget but can't buy a podium finish.

Dartman said:
There is only 2 teams really that can win.

But which 2 teams?
For years Ferrari was crap. They got Michael and it still took several years for them to get their shit together. Remember when Williams was on top? And Renault/Beneton? The ebb and flow of the ability to win is based on talent. The synergism of driver, engineering, money and organization.