I like Tory's idea of the referendum. I could suggest few more topics like a referendum on his promise to privatize the garbage pick up, King Street right of way, gun ban, etc. Holding a referendum because some useless political hacks will be out of a job seems... self serving.
Ford to slash Toronto city council to 25 councillors from 47, sources say
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Perhaps because he talked of it constantly, and it was so widely predicted, studied and discussed for 16 years, and debated in televised and private sessions of all provincial and territorial Premiers and the Federal Cabinet before it went through all the ordinary proceeding of Parliamentary democracy from Throne speech through three readings, Committee study and the Upper Chamber in Ottawa and then again in London. What you do not remember may well speak to your mentality but there were certainly lots of dissenters and they were given ample opportunity to be heard and try to persuade. Please don't waste your time and mine with similar silliness; the only possible conclusion is that's how 'doing it by the book' is meant to operate,.
Dougie never mentioned reducing Toronto Council publicly, didn't campaign on the issue, neither for the Leadership nor in the Election, didn't mention it in the Throne Speech, discussed it with no one but his boot lickers, ducked debate, refused to allow and Committee study and rushed his whipped vote at warp speed. And no one got any more than the legally imposed minimum time to offer any opinion that differed from his lickspittle troops. Dictatorship dressed as democracy
As self serving as making lack of consultation a huge part of a platform and then making changes without any consultation?
You guys don't understand the rational argument...perhaps this argument will stick.
The choice is yours...your outrage will be the same regardless.
Carry on.
BS about the dysfunction? Have you looked at our transit system compared to other cities?
How about runaway projects like Union station?
How about the failed bike lane experiment on King St?
And on a good day, they can't agree on what to have for lunch!
You need to work within the laws that a democratic society creates. As a decision maker, you need to know the laws before developing a strategy for improvement.
Then decisions are made...not debated so that nothing can be done...which is part of the dysfunction at city hall.
Consensus? You mean consensus between the voices in your head?
It's not an attack...it's an improvement.
How come every time a political leader you don't like makes a decision, you throw your hopes on the courts? How has it worked for you so far?
How is this any different? It was debated in Toronto Council in 2013. https://torontosun.com/2013/07/18/s...enda/wcm/cbe380cd-57d8-4f14-98ce-1bfab23c12c9 Ford's views were well known to the electorate before the 2018 election. The Bill was passed in accord with the procedure of the Legislature. The Fords talked about it frequently both before and after the vote in 2013.
Your attempt at distinction is thin.
Remember when city council voted to strip Mayor Ford's power...I don't recall a public consultation on that do you? I don't recall any councillors seeking the input of their respective constituents.
How undemocratic of council to strip the power of a mayor that was democratically elected into the position of mayor along with the power that comes with it.
But I guess you parked your righteous democratic morals that time because you just didn't like the mayor, right? (I mean Left).
I did. I just get annoyed when people blindly back people or parties despite their complete hypocrisy.
They didn't run a campaign based around the need for more consultation and then completely avoid consultation with a surprise diktat.
p.s. What happened to Ford's promise not to touch the Basic Income pilot?
There's a lot of noise around this issue, mainly because there are so many vested interests involved. But, this decision is not unpopular and completely in line with what the Fords have been advocating for years. Nobody who follows politics, especially city politics, should be surprised by this. Least of all our mayor.
Then I'm sure you can easily find at least one quote from either brother advocating a City Council based on Federal political boundaries.
Actually, i heard Rob talking about it on his radio show. And both of them at their BBQ.
I can vouch for that too!
Everywhere I went, everyone who I talked to, everyone who came up to me all said the same thing:
We want 25 wards, we want 25 wards, we want 25 wards.
Do you remember those famous Ford placards that said:
"TORONTO 25!!!!"
Fine, but nothing to do with jcpro backing up to his phony assertion.
Still waiting for at least one quote from either brother advocating a City Council based on Federal political boundaries. How hard can that be, if "…the Ford's have been advocating it for years"
Do feel free to help him out. Betcha neither of you can find a one.
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PS to jc: And I heard Dougie say on TV, he'd never seen his brother drink; we know that wasn't true. If neither he nor the station have records who cares what he said there? Not either of them. Nor I.
If you want your vague memory to be considered 'finding a quote', you'll have to be a tad more specific about what he said than a waffling 'i heard Rob talking about it'.
PPS: Buddy did dig up a Council debate from five year's back in Rob's term when they and their coterie were unsurprisingly outvoted 2:1 on the specific issue. After that silence. Whatever were they/was he afraid of?
