Ford Invokes State of Emergency

[Uncharted]

You can protest wherever you want, so long as you do not keep other people from enjoying THEIR rights.

Really? We allow this all the time.

Union picket lines do this constantly.
You have a right to go someplace unimpeded.

Yet Public sector unions always picket, which is a protest, outside the entrences of public buildings, and impede people's ability to get into them.
They block parking lots at Government buildings and purposely slow the rate of cars getting into the parking lots.
And this ability to impede the rights of others is enshrined in law.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

Really? We allow this all the time.

Union picket lines do this constantly.
You have a right to go someplace unimpeded.

Yet Public sector unions always picket, which is a protest, outside the entrences of public buildings, and impede people's ability to get into them.
They block parking lots at Government buildings and purposely slow the rate of cars getting into the parking lots.
And this ability to impede the rights of others is enshrined in law.

Not true. You are not allowed to prevent others from crossing the picket line. Sure, the picketers slow them down, but they don't prevent them from crossing.

 

[Uncharted]

job losses are not acceptable.

But apparently they are acceptable if the people are losing them because they choose not to participate in an experimental drug treatment.

 

[Frankfooter]

So, basically, they are free to protest at their own homes, right?

You can protest wherever you want if you have popular support, like BLM and Greta do.
If everybody hates you, good luck trying to convince anyone of doing anything but hate you more.

 

[realthing69]

Not true. You are not allowed to prevent others from crossing the picket line. Sure, the picketers slow them down, but they don't prevent them from crossing.

Wouldn't surprise some of the protesters are union members so they have experience in picketing/demonstrating.

 

[Uncharted]

Not true. You are not allowed to prevent others from crossing the picket line. Sure, the picketers slow them down, but they don't prevent them from crossing.

Slowing, and intimidating is impeding someone's right to freedom of movement.

And the truckers aren't preventing anyone from crossing the boarder. All anyone has to do is go an hour down the road and they can cross without issue.

 

[Frankfooter]

Injunction granted.

$100,000 fine now.
Go ahead and protest.

 

[silentkisser]

And let us make something very clear if we are going to do the comparisons.

Of the three examples given. The Truckers Protest is the least invasive and damaging.

The BLM protests were resulting in the burning of a city and looting night after night.
The Rail blockade resulted in a national shipping artery being completely immobilized for months with no alternative able to be put in place.

The Truckers protest results in one boarder crossing being blocked, when another boarder crossing exists an hour away, that is completely free from the protest.
It results in some streets being tied up in Ottawa with some honking.

Far cry from cities burning, stores being looted, and Police officers being attacked night after night.

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

First, not that I'm trying to defend arson during the BLM protests, but it's not like the torched the entire city. I mean, one building is too many, but let's not exaggerate what happened.

Second, the police were very aggressive from the beginning of the BLM protests. They shot rubber bullets without warning, pepper sprayed indiscriminately, and roughed up people with batons, shields and even bikes. I'm not saying all the BLM people were angels, but you can imagine why that just might fuel the anger the protesters were already feeling. I mean, what would have happened if the Ottawa police did that to the truckers at the start? Do you think there might have been a violent response?

 

[poker]

I supported what the Natives were protesting, and although that blockade was less than ideal. I leaned towards supporting it because they had little other recourse. When a group under persecution keeps getting ignored, it leaves very little options left.
So I am fine with my conscience.

Totally fair. I actually did a search, and your words were more than reasonable.

 

[fall]

At this point the protestors are slowing the conclusion of the mandates and restrictions. It seems like the era of these policies are coming to an end. The Govt cannot just end them now because it will look like they are only giving in to the protestor's demands. The protestors are cutting off their noses to spite their faces at this point. Just go home and give it a few weeks. When these policies end it needs to be all of them for everyday life. No more testing for travelers on any type of travel. Maybe only keep mask mandates for hospitals and retirement/nursing homes

Also it's border not boarder

And it says a lot about the integrity of the government. I hope people will realise it and voted out these clowns (and I am talking about both JT and Ford)

 

[drewstar]

Lol the govt and their supporters here really think threats of force are going to turn the tide? This is the hill people will die on, make no mistake. Trudeau, Ford and Tory among others are in for a rude awakening soon enough.

 

[fall]

I don't think that's a fair comparison.

First, not that I'm trying to defend arson during the BLM protests, but it's not like the torched the entire city. I mean, one building is too many, but let's not exaggerate what happened.

Second, the police were very aggressive from the beginning of the BLM protests. They shot rubber bullets without warning, pepper sprayed indiscriminately, and roughed up people with batons, shields and even bikes. I'm not saying all the BLM people were angels, but you can imagine why that just might fuel the anger the protesters were already feeling. I mean, what would have happened if the Ottawa police did that to the truckers at the start? Do you think there might have been a violent response?

Truckers are staying in one place, do not burn anything and do not damage any property. BLM protesters were throwing rocks, damaging cars and store windows, setting things on fire. Police job is to protect people, so, they should stop violent protests. A parked truck does not present an immediate danger.

 

[Frankfooter]

Truckers are staying in one place, do not burn anything and do not damage any property. BLM protesters were throwing rocks, damaging cars and store windows, setting things on fire. Police job is to protect people, so, they should stop violent protests. A parked truck does not present an immediate danger.

They are shitting on the streets, honking their horns and making the locals feel unsafe in Ottawa.
They are shutting down factories all over by stopping other non-protesting, truckers from doing their jobs.

This protest is costing hundreds of millions in losses every day, its way more economically damaging than BLM protests.

 

[Male4Strapon]

And it says a lot about the integrity of the government. I hope people will realise it and voted out these clowns (and I am talking about both JT and Ford)

I agree that pride and stubbornness shouldn't factor. If these protests continue much longer they will pretty much guarantee Trudeau's re-election. Whether supporters want to believe it or not, most Canadians are getting fed up with these protests. Every day it goes on they lose support. There was a sweet spot a few days ago when they could have claimed victory and headed home as politicians were calling out our Prime Minister. I believe they have gone over that hump and support is plummeting.
Ford on the other hand just gained a lot of support and significantly boosted his reelection chances as the guy who stood up and said enough was enough, even though it went counter to his party.

A week ago I would have said neither Trudeau or Ford would win their next elections. Today I think their odds have increased substantially. Trudeau will campaign that he never buckled against this protest, Ford will remind everyone that he was the one who came down on it.

 

[toguy5252]

Parliament's ground in Ottawa are very small to fit all protesters, so, protesters had to stay on neighbouring streets streets. This is what they do.

There is no shortage of public space in Ottawa to hold a rally or protest ot whatever and many groups have without incident. To suggest that the grounds are small so the truckers have to clog bridges and roads etc. is absurd.

 

[drewstar]

‘Next Step is Civil War’: Big Money Convoy Donor Says Ottawa Siege May Be Canada’s Last Hope

“The next step is they all go back and they have a gun in their hands”

pressprogress.ca

 

[NotADcotor]

He does have nice hair… I get it.

I don't get it at all. I think he has horrid unkempt hair.

Assuming we are talking about Trudeau and not Ford.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is no shortage of public space in Ottawa to hold a rally or protest ot whatever and many groups have without incident. To suggest that the grounds are small so the truckers have to clog bridges and roads etc. is absurd.

They should be free to protest, just leave the trucks out or have them impounded.
convoytraitors.ca is going to be busy.

This is going to feature during the provincial elections this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492180274070929414

 

[fall]

There is no shortage of public space in Ottawa to hold a rally or protest ot whatever and many groups have without incident. To suggest that the grounds are small so the truckers have to clog bridges and roads etc. is absurd.

yes, and a few downtown streets in front of parliament is the best for it. Or do you want the protests happen in woods outside the city? Blocking some border crossing is a bit too much, but it is a graduate extension of Ottawa protests because the government refuses to engage in a dialogue. Naturally, the protests extends for as long as the government do something to address the raised issues.

 

[toguy5252]

yes, and a few downtown streets in front of parliament is the best for it. Or do you want the protests happen in woods outside the city? Blocking some border crossing is a bit too much, but it is a graduate extension of Ottawa protests because the government refuses to engage in a dialogue. Naturally, the protests extends for as long as the government do something to address the raised issues.

Now you are just reaching trying to justify the unjustifiable. Why would the government negotiate its policy. They ate the government and them make policy and law. The truckers are looking for capitulation. You seem to have difficulty understanding how the law works in a democracy.