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For sale brand new Chevy Volt asking $41 grand.

rafterman

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Damn, I just don't see the economics on the purchaser's side unles gas is $3 a litre or more?

Unless your some tree hugging green pussy and then no price is too high....ha ha ha.

GM’s Volt priced at hefty $41,000
Tom Krisher
14:29 EST Tuesday, Jul 27, 2010


Detroit — General Motors Co. said Tuesday its Chevrolet Volt electric car will cost $41,000 (U.S.) when it goes on sale in November.

While the price is about $8,000 more than its closest rival, the Nissan Leaf, GM said it will offer a $350-per-month lease deal that's essentially equal to the Leaf's. That will put the battery-powered Volt within reach of many people, GM said.

Both cars also are eligible for a U.S. federal tax credit that will cut their prices by $7,500. The Volt's price would fall to $33,500 while the Leaf's would drop to $25,280 from $32,780. Some states, such as California, Georgia and Oregon, offer additional tax breaks that lower the price further.

The Volt, a four-door sedan, runs on battery power for up to 65 kilometres but has a small gasoline engine to generate electricity once the battery runs down. The gas engine can generate power to run the car another 480 km.

That's a big selling point because some drivers worry about the battery going dead during trips. This so-called “range anxiety” dogged GM's experimental EV-1 electric car in the 1990s.

To give the car wider appeal, drivers must know “they're not going to get stranded,” said Joel Ewanick, GM vice-president of U.S. marketing.

Nissan's Leaf, which goes on sale in December, can go up to 160 km on a charge. The car doesn't have a gas engine and must be recharged once its battery is depleted. Nissan spokeswoman Katherine Zachary said the Leaf itself emits no pollution and is designed for people whose daily travels are within its range.

GM's $350-a-month lease deal is for 36 months with $2,500 down. Nissan's lease plan is $349 a month over the same period with $1,995 down.

The lease deals are particularly appealing because they are close to those offered with conventional cars. But depending on how far they drive, drivers would not have to pay for gasoline. GM said it would cost about $1.50 worth of electricity to fully recharge the Volt each night.

GM earlier this month offered an eight-year, 160,000 km warranty on the Volt's battery to allay fears that owners could get stuck with the hefty price of replacing the power pack. Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. matched that warranty Tuesday, a day that saw competing electric car announcements from the two auto makers.

GM will sell the Volt first in California, then move to New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Washington, D.C., Michigan and Texas. Orders are being taken at 600 Chevrolet dealers in those states. But in 12 to 18 months, dealers nationwide should offer the cars.

Nissan said Tuesday that 17,000 people have placed orders for the Leaf so far in the U.S. Buyers in California, Washington, Oregon, Arizona and Tennessee will get the first Leaf deliveries in December. The Leaf will go on sale in other markets through 2011 and be available nationwide by the end of next year.
 

Brill

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Damn, I just don't see the economics on the purchaser's side unles gas is $3 a litre or more?
I think that would be a good idea, maybe even jack it up to $10/litre. Then they would be paying for the true cost of their destruction and subsidize cleaner and more sustainable energy.
 

rafterman

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That's wackadoodle. Almost as bad as those U.S. councillers in Bellingham saying no to our fine, tarsands synthetic crude, the Chinese' money will be perfectly ok.

I think that would be a good idea, maybe even jack it up to $10/litre. Then they would be paying for the true cost of their destruction and subsidize cleaner and more sustainable energy.
 

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In this country and in the US, the only way to go is hybrid right now. You nee a range of 250 km in a metropolis like TO anad the battery only car limit themselves to city environment. To go anywhere in Canda on a trip you need a range that most battery only cars can't deliver. The Tesla S due in 2012 has a reasonable range for our big countries, 300 miles, up from 250 miles on their present model, but it will be 50Gs and that's in 2012. I wish Nissan would take the Sentra and turn it into a hybrid first then when the battery technology allows, make the jump to full electric, but at what cost. UIt all depends on the price of oil in 2 or 3 years. Even Tesla says they only expect a life span of 7 years or 100, 000 miles on a battery. Check out the price on replacing it, plus the environmental fee for disposal.

Not yet, but for those who have to have the latest and greatest, go for it.
 

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A new battery pack is expected to cost over 10K for this car; so, if most of the batteries die at 10 years I'll bet most people won't spend the money to put the new battery in unless they live in an area like Vancouver or California where weather doesn't assault cars as much as it does in Toronto.
 

rafterman

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Ha haha....would it be possible to make an ATOMIC car like the batmobile?
 

rafterman

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Toyota has three hvbrids, the Prius, Camry and Highlander, four if you add in the Lexus RX350. I'm curious to see if they bring out "enhanced" electric like the Volt.
 

Ceiling Cat

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That price is in


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There has to be a breakthrough in battery technology that reduces the battery price and make the electric car affordable before they can become a common sight on the streets

I hear that Porsche will be making an electric Boxter. Will it still be Boxter is it does not have a boxter engine?.
 

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I'd go for the Volkswagen Golf TDI diesel. Great handling, fuel economy at around 35mpg city and around 50 highway, and I personally think the latest one really looks classy.
 

rafterman

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In Europe diesel passenger cars are up to 50% of the market in some countires.
 

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In N America, or should I say the US there is a great hesitation for diesel and I cannot understand it. The new technology give cleaner running engines now and better mileage. The only reason that I can guess is that cars are relatively cheap her and diesel engines run forever and the car market wouldn't turn over quick enough for the retailers.
 

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I'm going to continue being bad for the environment until Capitalism cracks the whip on this stupidness...Hybrids dont make much difference at all and they clearly still havent completely figured out going full electric
 

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Damn, I just don't see the economics on the purchaser's side unles gas is $3 a litre or more?

Unless your some tree hugging green pussy and then no price is too high....ha ha ha.
The tree hugging green pussy market is so huge, they would be crazy not to market to them. But I don't think the economics are actually so bad.

If the car is $41K, where an equal gas shit-box would be $17K, then it is $24K more. So over an eight-year lifespan, that is $250 per month more expensive (ignoring interest, insurance, etc.). At current prices, that is 250 litres of gas, which in a shit-box at 5 litres per 100 km would be 5,000 km per month. Versus electricity that is virtually free. So for some drivers, it would make economic sense, if you could find a way to drive 200 km per day when the range (on pure electric) is less than that, and it takes over-night to charge.

And when gas gets to two dollars per litre, it makes more and more sense.
 

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The $350/month lease deal is the much more attractive option... No need to worry about the car's long term reliability.

People who live in condos won't have the option though.. Who knows in 5 years the battery costs may be half of what they are today.
 

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If the car is $41K, where an equal gas shit-box would be $17K, then it is $24K more. So over an eight-year lifespan, that is $250 per month more expensive (ignoring interest, insurance, etc.). At current prices, that is 250 litres of gas, which in a shit-box at 5 litres per 100 km would be 5,000 km per month. Versus electricity that is virtually free. So for some drivers, it would make economic sense, if you could find a way to drive 200 km per day when the range (on pure electric) is less than that, and it takes over-night to charge.

And when gas gets to two dollars per litre, it makes more and more sense.
Right now the average person is probably spending about 3300/yr is gas. It costs 1.50 a day to charge the volt = 547/yr. If the volt costs about 24K more than a comparable car it'll take 8.7 yrs in order to break even and thats not including the cost of the battery replacement. It doesnt make sense if you were to buy

It only makes sense if you are the type to continually lease and dont go over the km limits
 

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I don't think gas will ever be 6 or 8 bucks a gallon. With all the new electric cars coming out the demand will drop. It will keep gas prices in check or make them drop.
 
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