Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical

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Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical


For all their differences, Bush and Obama have nearly identical poll numbers at this point in their second terms …

When President Obama first ran for the White House in 2008, it was with the promise to turn the page on the presidency of George W. Bush. But for all their political differences, it turns out the American public pretty much view the two men in the same light, according to new polling data.

In the first week of November in the fifth year of their presidencies, Obama and Bush have nearly identical approval numbers, according to the latest Gallup polling.

In fact, Bush comes out one point ahead, 40 percent to 39 percent, respectively.


The Gallup daily tracking poll for November 5th 2013 puts Obama’s approval at 39 percent, with 53 percent disapproving of his job performance.

By comparison, polling for the first week of November in 2005 had Bush’s approval at 40 percent, with 55 percent disapproving of his job performance.

And the negative comparison to Bush’s numbers is potentially worse for Obama than just a tough headline.

As former Bush adviser Matthew Dowd said on ABC’s “This Week,” the real damage lies in the fact that historically low approval numbers often constrain a president’s ability to rebound with the public.

“I think what you have right now is you talked about the floor of the president's approval numbers, which are almost exactly where President Bush's were. Every time you establish a new floor, you establish a new ceiling,” Dowd said.


Noting that Bush’s approval free fall “wasn’t all about Katrina,” Dowd said Obama faces a similar assault from multiple fronts.

"The president's problems have been brewing for a while,” Dowd said. “What the Republican circus did was cover up a lot of the president's problems. That circus that went on with the Republicans for a while. And then once that was over, it revealed a deeper problem with the presidency."

Of course, the most recent numbers don't guarantee that Obama's second term will end up mirroring Bush's, whose approval continued to fall to a low of 25 percent on three separate occasions before he left office. Still, they do place Obama in an interesting historical context when compared to how some other presidents have fared in the fifth year of their presidencies.

Pulling back the curtain further to look at Obama’s approval rating during the 19th quarter of his presidency, Obama places 5th out of the last 8 presidents who served for the same length of time.

His quarterly Gallup approval rating of 44.5 percent places him ahead of Bush (43.9), Lyndon Johnson (41.8%) and Richard Nixon (31.8%). But Obama falls behind Bill Clinton (58.8%), Ronald Reagan (61.3%) Dwight Eisenhower (59.5%) and even Harry Truman (45%).

What might be most striking to Obama supporters is to compare the various challenges faced by Bush and Obama at this point in their respective presidencies. In the fall of 2005, Bush was reeling from fallout of Hurricane Katrina and arguably the low-point of the Iraq War. And while he had successfully won re-election against John Kerry, his approval rating had dropped 13 points from 53 percent since the November 2004 election.

In contrast, Obama has dealt with the continuing drag of a sluggish economy, partisan divisions, which led to a government shutdown, criticism over National Security Administration spying accusations and the recent fallout over problems associated with the launch of the Affordable Care Act.

And as a result of those challenges, Obama has experienced a nearly identical polling drop as Bush, falling a statistically identical 13 points from his approval ratings of 52 percent on election day in November, 2012 .

Of course, nothing is set in stone. Unforeseen events could restore Obama’s approval ratings: The economy could improve, the 2014 midterm elections could boost Obama’s standing and early setbacks of the Affordable Care Act could recede.

But if recent history is any indicator, Obama is likely to find himself in some unexpected and unwanted company – that of an unpopular president he was elected to replace.
 

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Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical


For all their differences, Bush and Obama have nearly identical poll numbers at this point in their second terms …

When President Obama first ran for the White House in 2008, it was with the promise to turn the page on the presidency of George W. Bush. But for all their political differences, it turns out the American public pretty much view the two men in the same light, according to new polling data.

In the first week of November in the fifth year of their presidencies, Obama and Bush have nearly identical approval numbers, according to the latest Gallup polling.

In fact, Bush comes out one point ahead, 40 percent to 39 percent, respectively.


The Gallup daily tracking poll for November 5th 2013 puts Obama’s approval at 39 percent, with 53 percent disapproving of his job performance.

By comparison, polling for the first week of November in 2005 had Bush’s approval at 40 percent, with 55 percent disapproving of his job performance.

And the negative comparison to Bush’s numbers is potentially worse for Obama than just a tough headline.

As former Bush adviser Matthew Dowd said on ABC’s “This Week,” the real damage lies in the fact that historically low approval numbers often constrain a president’s ability to rebound with the public.

“I think what you have right now is you talked about the floor of the president's approval numbers, which are almost exactly where President Bush's were. Every time you establish a new floor, you establish a new ceiling,” Dowd said.


Noting that Bush’s approval free fall “wasn’t all about Katrina,” Dowd said Obama faces a similar assault from multiple fronts.

"The president's problems have been brewing for a while,” Dowd said. “What the Republican circus did was cover up a lot of the president's problems. That circus that went on with the Republicans for a while. And then once that was over, it revealed a deeper problem with the presidency."

Of course, the most recent numbers don't guarantee that Obama's second term will end up mirroring Bush's, whose approval continued to fall to a low of 25 percent on three separate occasions before he left office. Still, they do place Obama in an interesting historical context when compared to how some other presidents have fared in the fifth year of their presidencies.

Pulling back the curtain further to look at Obama’s approval rating during the 19th quarter of his presidency, Obama places 5th out of the last 8 presidents who served for the same length of time.

His quarterly Gallup approval rating of 44.5 percent places him ahead of Bush (43.9), Lyndon Johnson (41.8%) and Richard Nixon (31.8%). But Obama falls behind Bill Clinton (58.8%), Ronald Reagan (61.3%) Dwight Eisenhower (59.5%) and even Harry Truman (45%).

What might be most striking to Obama supporters is to compare the various challenges faced by Bush and Obama at this point in their respective presidencies. In the fall of 2005, Bush was reeling from fallout of Hurricane Katrina and arguably the low-point of the Iraq War. And while he had successfully won re-election against John Kerry, his approval rating had dropped 13 points from 53 percent since the November 2004 election.

In contrast, Obama has dealt with the continuing drag of a sluggish economy, partisan divisions, which led to a government shutdown, criticism over National Security Administration spying accusations and the recent fallout over problems associated with the launch of the Affordable Care Act.

And as a result of those challenges, Obama has experienced a nearly identical polling drop as Bush, falling a statistically identical 13 points from his approval ratings of 52 percent on election day in November, 2012 .

Of course, nothing is set in stone. Unforeseen events could restore Obama’s approval ratings: The economy could improve, the 2014 midterm elections could boost Obama’s standing and early setbacks of the Affordable Care Act could recede.

But if recent history is any indicator, Obama is likely to find himself in some unexpected and unwanted company – that of an unpopular president he was elected to replace.
Someone failed to mention recovery from the near fatal economic meltdown, second only by the '29 crash, two wars he didn't start and the aftermath of hurricane Sandy.
 

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Someone failed to mention recovery from the near fatal economic meltdown, second only by the '29 crash, two wars he didn't start and the aftermath of hurricane Sandy.
Yes, yes, the blame Bush parade has run it's course and now Obama is dealing with issues of his own making and the polls reflect that.
 

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Yes, yes, the blame Bush parade has run it's course and now Obama is dealing with issues of his own making and the polls reflect that.
Who's blaming Shrub? Certainly not I. I have said more than once in the past the crash was 30 years in the making. Obama was just the POTUS who ended up with having to deal with it. You really are way too sensitive trying to deflective criticism from your idol.
 

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Who's blaming Shrub? Certainly not I. I have said more than once in the past the crash was 30 years in the making. Obama was just the POTUS who ended up with having to deal with it. You really are way too sensitive trying to deflective criticism from your idol.
And you are far too sensitive in defending Obama from Obama's own bumbling of multiple issues. He reads a great teleprompter but there is little substance to the man. Cult of personality elected him. he's an empty suit.
 

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And you are far too sensitive in defending Obama from Obama's own bumbling of multiple issues. He reads a great teleprompter but there is little substance to the man. Cult of personality elected him. he's an empty suit.
To be fair it was more than just cult of personality, it was also class envy and the promise of free stuff......

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Five years in, Obama and Bush poll numbers nearly identical




For all their differences, Bush and Obama have nearly identical poll numbers at this point in their second terms …

When President Obama first ran for the White House in 2008, it was with the promise to turn the page on the presidency of George W. Bush. But for all their political differences, it turns out the American public pretty much view the two men in the same light, according to new polling data.

In the first week of November in the fifth year of their presidencies, Obama and Bush have nearly identical approval numbers, according to the latest Gallup polling.

In fact, Bush comes out one point ahead, 40 percent to 39 percent, respectively.


The Gallup daily tracking poll for November 5th 2013 puts Obama’s approval at 39 percent, with 53 percent disapproving of his job performance.

By comparison, polling for the first week of November in 2005 had Bush’s approval at 40 percent, with 55 percent disapproving of his job performance.

And the negative comparison to Bush’s numbers is potentially worse for Obama than just a tough headline.

As former Bush adviser Matthew Dowd said on ABC’s “This Week,” the real damage lies in the fact that historically low approval numbers often constrain a president’s ability to rebound with the public.

“I think what you have right now is you talked about the floor of the president's approval numbers, which are almost exactly where President Bush's were. Every time you establish a new floor, you establish a new ceiling,” Dowd said.


Noting that Bush’s approval free fall “wasn’t all about Katrina,” Dowd said Obama faces a similar assault from multiple fronts.

"The president's problems have been brewing for a while,” Dowd said. “What the Republican circus did was cover up a lot of the president's problems. That circus that went on with the Republicans for a while. And then once that was over, it revealed a deeper problem with the presidency."

Of course, the most recent numbers don't guarantee that Obama's second term will end up mirroring Bush's, whose approval continued to fall to a low of 25 percent on three separate occasions before he left office. Still, they do place Obama in an interesting historical context when compared to how some other presidents have fared in the fifth year of their presidencies.

Pulling back the curtain further to look at Obama’s approval rating during the 19th quarter of his presidency, Obama places 5th out of the last 8 presidents who served for the same length of time.

His quarterly Gallup approval rating of 44.5 percent places him ahead of Bush (43.9), Lyndon Johnson (41.8%) and Richard Nixon (31.8%). But Obama falls behind Bill Clinton (58.8%), Ronald Reagan (61.3%) Dwight Eisenhower (59.5%) and even Harry Truman (45%).

What might be most striking to Obama supporters is to compare the various challenges faced by Bush and Obama at this point in their respective presidencies. In the fall of 2005, Bush was reeling from fallout of Hurricane Katrina and arguably the low-point of the Iraq War. And while he had successfully won re-election against John Kerry, his approval rating had dropped 13 points from 53 percent since the November 2004 election.

In contrast, Obama has dealt with the continuing drag of a sluggish economy, partisan divisions, which led to a government shutdown, criticism over National Security Administration spying accusations and the recent fallout over problems associated with the launch of the Affordable Care Act.

And as a result of those challenges, Obama has experienced a nearly identical polling drop as Bush, falling a statistically identical 13 points from his approval ratings of 52 percent on election day in November, 2012 .

Of course, nothing is set in stone. Unforeseen events could restore Obama’s approval ratings: The economy could improve, the 2014 midterm elections could boost Obama’s standing and early setbacks of the Affordable Care Act could recede.

But if recent history is any indicator, Obama is likely to find himself in some unexpected and unwanted company – that of an unpopular president he was elected to replace.
I hate when people are one sided criticizers. While I was an Obama supporter.... he lied. He lied about the ACA not affecting anyone's insurance. We know now that 5% of people are going to be forced to drop their garbage coverage, and get actual coverage..... His poll numbers reflect that...

Where were you when GWB lied about WMD's in Iraq? You defended him.... that's where.
 

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I hate when people are one sided criticizers. While I was an Obama supporter.... he lied. He lied about the ACA not affecting anyone's insurance. We know now that 5% of people are going to be forced to drop their garbage coverage, and get actual coverage..... His poll numbers reflect that...

Where were you when GWB lied about WMD's in Iraq? You defended him.... that's where.

I guess he should have figured that the Health Insurance companies were going to say fuck you to the customers who could afford to be dropped the least. OTB's going to use the old 'he believed they were there, so it's not a lie' argument.
 

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Speaking well on your feet is an essential quality to become Prime Minister in a Westminster System it is not to be a successful President in the U.S. system. If speaking very well in public and being telegenic had been important in 1789 Washington would never have been President.
Never more true than today. A silver tongued president who has little more skill than that of a snake oil salesman.
 

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Speaking well on your feet is an essential quality to become Prime Minister in a Westminster System it is not to be a successful President in the U.S. system. If speaking very well in public and being telegenic had been important in 1789 Washington would never have been President.
Most of us do not livein the 18th century.

So it's not uncommon for POTUS' to use tele-prompters.
 

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Never more true than today. A silver tongued president who has little more skill than that of a snake oil salesman.
... and he's still ranked higher than Bush who never succeeded in any business, even the ones his daddy got him.
 

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Everything is Bush's fault, Everything. Obama has been cleaning up his mess for years. Bush and Greenspan caused the 2007 meltdown.
 

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I hate when people are one sided criticizers. While I was an Obama supporter.... he lied. He lied about the ACA not affecting anyone's insurance. We know now that 5% of people are going to be forced to drop their garbage coverage, and get actual coverage..... His poll numbers reflect that...

Where were you when GWB lied about WMD's in Iraq? You defended him.... that's where.
He didn't lie, he was wrong - there is a difference, and I think it impacted his poll numbers as well.

And I think it's a little more extreme than your minimizing "5% of people are going to be forced to drop their garbage coverage, and get actual coverage….."
49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%


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Everything is Bush's fault, Everything. Obama has been cleaning up his mess for years. Bush and Greenspan caused the 2007 meltdown.

Yes, yes, that's the brain dead left view…..
 

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He didn't lie, he was wrong - there is a difference, and I think it impacted his poll numbers as well.

And I think it's a little more extreme than your minimizing "5% of people are going to be forced to drop their garbage coverage, and get actual coverage….."
49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%
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Sorry OTB

Didn't certain members of his intelligence community tell him beforehand that he was wrong but he chose not to listen because it didn't fit his plan.

Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. To name just two.

He basically said only give me the intelligence that tells us they exist.
 

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Sorry OTB

Didn't certain members of his intelligence community tell him beforehand that he was wrong but he chose not to listen because it didn't fit his plan.

Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. To name just two.

He basically said only give me the intelligence that tells us they exist.
I can't do this yet again, it's been done a million times, only TRUE idiots believe Bush lied or there is a 911 conspiracy.... True idiots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tenet

Both Clinton's, John Kerry.... Literally every fucking democrat of consequence

As I said, true idiots
 

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We've been over this time after time after time. The Russians believed it, the Germans' believed it, the French believed it, the Chinese believed it.
 

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I can't do this yet again, it's been done a million times, only TRUE idiots believe Bush lied or there is a 911 conspiracy.... True idiots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tenet

Both Clinton's, John Kerry.... Literally every fucking democrat of consequence

As I said, true idiots
That your opinion and probably the recently departed Yolo.

They all agreed tot the offensive based on the lies that Bush lined up for them. Since the information had to go through the Bush Oval Office Whitehouse filter, it's Bush's lie, no one else's.
 
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