Fired from my job - and stunned

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Re: Re: Fired from my job - and stunned

By doing that, your ex-boss just fucked himself. This is going to cause some morale issues among employees.

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No offence intended to shinyam because I don't know his specific situation but what I will say, having had the unfortunate responsibility of having to fire several people over my career, is that when employees (especially in the IT field) are fired for performance issues, it rarely hurts morale. In fact most of the time it lifts morale and most of the employees that were left holding the bag and having to work extra hours because of a particular employee's performance gaps are relieved that the moment of truth finally arrived.

Firings for performance rarely come as a surprise to anyone

 

[happygrump]

I've been on both sides of the fence myself: hired and fired, and been hired and fired.

To this day there are a couple of jobs where I was let go and haven't any idea why, other than some office politics. But in one specific instance, I got an opportunity to sit down with the person who let me go, and she and I went through, in specific detail, exactly what the issues were. I left feeling kinda crappy, but all the same I felt that she at least had the courage to tell me why.

Most - not all, but a large proportion, at least in my experience - bosses simply don't have the courage or foresight to do a proper exit interview. They seem to forget that once the person leaves an organization, they don't exactly disappear. They re-enter the labour market, full of stories - true or otherwise - about how they may have been mistreated. Pretty soon, word gets around and then suddenly the company has a hard time attracting good people.

It's no different than pissing off a customer. One customer tells another, who tells another, and so on...

Alas, short-term thinking can lead to long-term problems. All it takes is a few minutes with the people involved to give them specific details. Treat them with dignity and they'll part as friends.

It's not rocket science. But it does take time and it's not always the easiest thing to do.

 

[buckybruce]

Most - not all, but a large proportion, at least in my experience - bosses simply don't have the courage or foresight to do a proper exit interview. They seem to forget that once the person leaves an organization, they don't exactly disappear. They re-enter the labour market, full of stories - true or otherwise - about how they may have been mistreated. Pretty soon, word gets around and then suddenly the company has a hard time attracting good people.

It's no different than pissing off a customer. One customer tells another, who tells another, and so on...

Alas, short-term thinking can lead to long-term problems. All it takes is a few minutes with the people involved to give them specific details. Treat them with dignity and they'll part as friends.

It's not rocket science. But it does take time and it's not always the easiest thing to do.

Well said, Happygrump....it's easier for "the boss" to be just ordinary...when will employers learn that just like employees compete for potential positions, employers complete for potential employees...most companys don't think beyond the end of the their next financial quarter...long term goals...what the fuck are they?

As I pointed out before, most boss's wallow in their own self assured ignorance about their own importance, while looking down on the "little" people who actually "do" make the company run day to day...Ref must occupy a lofty perch such as this....

 

[sweet guy]

Well said, Happygrump....it's easier for "the boss" to be just ordinary...when will employers learn that just like employees compete for potential positions, employers complete for potential employees...most companys don't think beyond the end of the their next financial quarter...long term goals...what the fuck are they?

You think you can be like Stone cold Steve Austin to show middle fingers and "stun" your boss?

Furget about it!! It is your boss who give you middle fingers and say "screw you". This is especially hurt when your boss is a single middle-aged "she-dog", cause she has the "balls" to say so.

As I pointed out before, most boss's wallow in their own self assured ignorance about their own importance, while looking down on the "little" people who actually "do" make the company run day to day...Ref must occupy a lofty perch such as this....

I don't think the bosses really care the sorry assess of the "little" people. They "may" show compassion and any sense of "decency" when the business is in a downhill and he or she has run out of option of cutting costs by firing "little" people.

 

[sweet guy]

Hey shinyam,

Just one question, did you get paycheck during the "probation period"?

I know some companies don't pay the new hired during the probation period. They want to see whether the new candidate can "make" it without money incentives and can "fire" his or her ass without compensation. The duration is usually 2 weeks.

 

[shinyam]

Yes, fortunately, I did get paid. And I got one week of severance pay, which is not much.

 

[Ref]

As I pointed out before, most boss's wallow in their own self assured ignorance about their own importance, while looking down on the "little" people who actually "do" make the company run day to day...Ref must occupy a lofty perch such as this....

Actually I do occupy a lofty perch. However not being insecure has allowed me to advance my career. And yes, at one time I was just another slug in the entry level position of the corporate world. Fortunately, my big priorities were not disrespecting my seniors and getting away from the office to smoke a "doob".

However I still cannot understand why you do not accept the higher position if you are the man who is indeed running the show.

If the senior boss is replaced and his/her replacement analyses the existing staff he/she is going to see from your file that you have been stuck in the same position for too long and have not moved up the corporate ladder, and as you state, do not want to do that job. Great career move indeed.

Also, what would you state on your resume - I prefer to be the low guy on the totem pole because I'm afraid to take on the responsibilities and decision making that a real manager would be expected of.

Ah yes Bucky, you are just another one of those "Let's see 'em run the company without me!" bozo's.

I do encourage you to keep up the strong work ethic and attitude though.

 

[buckybruce]

Actually I do occupy a lofty perch. However not being insecure has allowed me to advance my career. And yes, at one time I was just another slug in the entry level position of the corporate world. Fortunately, my big priorities were not disrespecting my seniors and getting away from the office to smoke a "doob".

However I still cannot understand why you do not accept the higher position if you are the man who is indeed running the show.

If the senior boss is replaced and his/her replacement analyses the existing staff he/she is going to see from your file that you have been stuck in the same position for too long and have not moved up the corporate ladder, and as you state, do not want to do that job. Great career move indeed.

Also, what would you state on your resume - I prefer to be the low guy on the totem pole because I'm afraid to take on the responsibilities and decision making that a real manager would be expected of.

Ah yes Bucky, you are just another one of those "Let's see 'em run the company without me!" bozo's.

I do encourage you to keep up the strong work ethic and attitude though.

Oh Ref...I am about to pick you apart piece by piece. Did you even read my post, or just skim it?

First off...I never had to start at the entry level, I was already established when I was recruited. They head-hunted me.
I never dis-respected or "dissed" anyone if they were competent and honest...but these two replacements for my former supervisor are so green....they don't know the're green. However, I have made every effort to keep things running smoothly because it would affect my junior co-workers. As far as smoking a "doob", some people relax with alcohol, some with pot...same difference as far as I'm concerned

2nd, it was made abundantly clear at my interview that, due to my senority and experience, they simply could not afford to "promote" me. Policy was that all positons must be advertised internally first. I never turned down the position because it was never offered...although I would have taken it. Read my post again...I never said I didn't want the position, or turned it down. Your attention to detail is what must make you truly a great "boss" to work for...does someone have to cut your meat for you too?

I never said the company couldn't get along with me. I would be missed a great deal, especially since my immediate supervisor could not be expected to jump into the "breach" since she does not possess the experience, and product knowledge I have....but they would survive and the only people hurt would be their customers.

You must be the one who's insecure...one of the young "studs" at work making you nervous as far as your own position is concerned? Your post makes that clear, since you had to resort to calling me a "bozo", while I never stooped to name calling.

Later....make that much later...you bore me...

 

[Ref]

Oh Ref...I am about to pick you apart piece by piece. Did you even read my post, or just skim it?
I never dis-respected or "dissed" anyone

Hehehehe.

I guess referring to the two female managers as "Bitches" makes you the employee of the year right? Not only does your lack of respect for a senior management show through, but your lack of respect for women also.

Here's some advice for you Bucky. Take a copy of my posts in this thread and save it to a word file. Print it out and post it on your bathroom mirror. Every morning you can look at it and learn from it. One day you will be thank me for the career advice I have offerred to you.

 

[buckybruce]

Hehehehe.

I Not only does your lack of respect for a senior management show through, but your lack of respect for women also.

Here's some advice for you Bucky. Take a copy of my posts in this thread and save it to a word file. Print it out and post it on your bathroom mirror. Every morning you can look at it and learn from it. One day you will be thank me for the career advice I have offerred to you.

Respect is earned...if it had been two wet-behind-the-ears males hired, I would have been just as comfortable calling them "pricks", if they had exhibited the same arrogance the "bitch's" had when they first started.

You know what you can do with your career advice...I can think of a better place to post it in the bathroom than the mirror...

And....learn to type and spell....

 

[happygrump]

Shinyam;

Here's a link that has some case law background from the Law Society of Upper Canada. If you think that you may have a case for wrongful dismissal - and I'm of no opinion on that matter, one way or another - then this may be a good resource.

 

[shinyam]

thanks, happygrump, I'll take a look at it. I probably won't do anything though.