Financially Motivated

[ncn2004]

What does everyone think when an MP or SP is evidently financially motivated?

I understand that everone is in business to make money, and that is definately acceptable. However, especially in this industry where there is more intimacy involved, I believe that when an SP or MP really shows that they are only interested in the money it is a big turn off!

If you take the time to review what they might make in a year, its shocking.

Example: Take an independant that charges $120 / hr. (which is low in some cases)

This person, working full time will make $ 244,800 per year!!! Most career professionals such as engineers and managers, and accountants make between $50 and $70, Thats only $ 100,000 - $140,000.

Independants also don't have large overhead expenses such as buildings, communications, insurance and so on.

MPs are bit different, but still high.

Take another example: Holtz Spa - They charge $88.00 per 55 minute session. Out of that, they must pay the RMT, $15,000/mth for building, commercial insurance, multiple line phone system, ect... and they still make ok money at the end.


So, my question now, How would one rationalize the above??

 

[ncn2004]

I just thought of something else...

We, as a community can Set the price in Ottawa. Meaning, if 80% of hobbiests are will to pay only a certain amount, then it have a large impact on "going rates."


Just Food for thought

 

[langeweile]

I am not sure if you can be in it and just do it for the money for a very long time. Somewhere you need to enjoy it as well.
It is like that with every job. if you don't "tap dance to work"( Bill Gates), you burn out quick..or become mediocre.
Does that mean you are always have to "be on"? i think that's impossible. On those days you have "to fake it until you make it"

Don't forget in your math, that the majority of SP's(there are exceptions) can't command top $$ for all their careers. So their prime, just like an athlete, is relatively short.

 

[George OTJ]

First off, SPs don't work fill time and I'm guessing the majority earn less the $100,000 a year. Which is cool! If I could work a couple of days a week and earn 100k a year, I'd love it.

Secondly, part of what I'm buying is a fantasy, so yeah. Although I know it's all about the money, if it comes across in her attitude it's a big turn-off.

 

[The Lurker]

Well how very Canadian.

What would be the point of trying to force the fees down? Also, just how much solidarity would it take? Ever try to protest the cost of gas? CNN showed a site the was selling $6 USD a gallon and the place was packed.

Personally I see premium goods or services commanding premium prices. The key word there is commanding.

Now if you could legislate MP's being essential services, the more power to you!

 

[ricflairjuniour]

What does everyone think when an MP or SP is evidently financially motivated?

I understand that everone is in business to make money, and that is definately acceptable. However, especially in this industry where there is more intimacy involved, I believe that when an SP or MP really shows that they are only interested in the money it is a big turn off!

If you take the time to review what they might make in a year, its shocking.

Example: Take an independant that charges $120 / hr. (which is low in some cases)

This person, working full time will make $ 244,800 per year!!! Most career professionals such as engineers and managers, and accountants make between $50 and $70, Thats only $ 100,000 - $140,000.

Independants also don't have large overhead expenses such as buildings, communications, insurance and so on.

MPs are bit different, but still high.

Take another example: Holtz Spa - They charge $88.00 per 55 minute session. Out of that, they must pay the RMT, $15,000/mth for building, commercial insurance, multiple line phone system, ect... and they still make ok money at the end.


So, my question now, How would one rationalize the above??

ncn2004,

You're leaving so many things out. Most SPs incur high costs, whether that involves renting a separate condo or other location, running two locations (often not being able to fully enjoy their principal residences) paying for hotels, meals, travelling, dog-sitting, baby-sitting, haircuts, spa, clothing and supplies, creating and maintaining websites, advertising, etc.

You're also not considering down-time, waiting for appointments, no-shows, travelling time, time-off, weekends and Friday nights are often slow, times of the month when SPs are indisposed, vacation, and many SPs will not see more than 1 or 2 clients a day, many do not work every day back to back and some keep their evenings free.

So in most cases I would say incomes are significantly less than what you say, and then you have to deduct the expenses I've mentioned. Of course there are exceptions.

SPs deserve every penny they make (if honestly arrived at). It can be a glamourous, fun profession but there is no doubt that it is tough work, you have to be mentally and physically up to it, and not everyone is cut out for it. Very good money can be made for sure, but IMO to be successful you have to have the right look, personality, a business sense, be smart with your business model, keep your eye on your break-even point, diversify, keep it fresh and market your services intelligently. It's not that easy to string all of those elements together.

 

[AnotherGuy02]

Expenses

Yes, I think the point about expenses is important. I know from talking to exotic dancers that looking great even when you're completely naked can be very expensive for the ladies.

AnotherGuy02

 

[ncn2004]

There are many points to consider, and the original point of the thread was not to drive down prices. The point was to emphasise that SP's should make a point, 100% of the time to not be finacially motivated, or at least not to come off that way.

These SP's that watch the clock, or mention the time limit 5 minutes before should find a new business to be in.

I believe that they should have to maintain just as much business sence as someone who runs a retail outlet or other business.

That being said, watching teh clock, and being strictly about the money is not the way to keep customers happy!

 

[mrclean]

use reviews

ncn,
you make good points which have been previously discussed in some fashion on terb. But no harm to start a specific thread on it.

I think we already have a way to deal with this. It's called TERB. If reviewers state that the SP was a clock watcher then we can choose to avoid her.

About prices - some guys have discussed this and have been effective in setting reasonable rates for the IN/VIP ladies. There is power on this board. If we feel an SP or MP charges too much for services rendered that can be stated in reviews. On way to do it is with a value rating. For example 10/10 value for a great High Dollar Hottie (HDH) who provides exceptional service versus 5/10 for a Low Dollar Looker (LDL) for an inexpensive but uninterested, mechanical, full of herself clock watcher.

So I think it comes down to more reviews. Over time there will be more standardized reporting of the things that concern us. The reviews on MERB are a pretty good example of the evolution of the reviews. For example, changing from a 1-5 scoring scale to 1-10.

 

[figjam4]

score sheet

I do not know about score sheets. You cannot rate a person on a scale of 1-5 or a 1-10. This is all a matter of personal taste. I might like someone that is not to your taste or visus verus. Besides I think it demeans the girl, sounds more like a scale of measuring meat then the actual meeting between two people.

Money is a factor in this, it is after all a job in a service industry. Lets not kid ourselves in thinking that they work a full 40 hour week. The high price per hour is needed to make a decent living based upon what was already mentioned. ie, short hours, expenses, no show etc etc. To be fair, I also work in a service industry with a client base operation. Not in the adult industry but another type, and my rate per hour is $150, I of course do not keep it all as I am an employee but the facts remain the same. If you want my service, it will cost you $150 an hour, more if you want the boss involved, less if you need a more jr person. If you are unwilling to pay for this service, then go else where, we will not reduce our price and believe it or not, we have more work to do than hours in the week. That is due to the fact that we provide a good service in our industry that keeps our clients coming back, This holds true for the "good" service people in the adult industry. The good ones will always have repeat clients, the bad ones will leave a bad taste in the client's mouth and they will always rely on new clients as they will not get any repeats. The trick here is to find the good ones and leave alone the bad ones.

Terb has lots of advice on who is who, just follow it and do not complain about the price for good service.

 

[Stacey_luvxxx]

I do not know about score sheets. You cannot rate a person on a scale of 1-5 or a 1-10. This is all a matter of personal taste. I might like someone that is not to your taste or visus verus. Besides I think it demeans the girl, sounds more like a scale of measuring meat then the actual meeting between two people.

Money is a factor in this, it is after all a job in a service industry. Lets not kid ourselves in thinking that they work a full 40 hour week. The high price per hour is needed to make a decent living based upon what was already mentioned. ie, short hours, expenses, no show etc etc. To be fair, I also work in a service industry with a client base operation. Not in the adult industry but another type, and my rate per hour is $150, I of course do not keep it all as I am an employee but the facts remain the same. If you want my service, it will cost you $150 an hour, more if you want the boss involved, less if you need a more jr person. If you are unwilling to pay for this service, then go else where, we will not reduce our price and believe it or not, we have more work to do than hours in the week. That is due to the fact that we provide a good service in our industry that keeps our clients coming back, This holds true for the "good" service people in the adult industry. The good ones will always have repeat clients, the bad ones will leave a bad taste in the client's mouth and they will always rely on new clients as they will not get any repeats. The trick here is to find the good ones and leave alone the bad ones.

Terb has lots of advice on who is who, just follow it and do not complain about the price for good service.

Hola figjam $150.00 an hour???? what is your menu, do you offer incall? how much more if your boss is involved?? LOL

 

[ncn2004]

Correction

Let me correct myself. I'm not complaining about all services, and yes jasmine, I see independants and many MP's. I am not attempting to say that $120/hr for a top quality seesion is unreasonable, however, for the service that some are providing it is highly unreasonable.

I spend probably $350 - $400 per week on this hobby and it is not my intention to stop any time soon. (i enjoy it too much) however, I'm shocked by the unprofessionalism of some sp's.


Jasmine - I havn't had the privilage of experiencing time with you yet, judging by reviews, it will be a great time! I'm sure your more professional than those I had in mind this morning when I started this post.

Figjam 4 - I too come with a high price. I deal with biohazards and crime scenes to the tune of $225 / hr. However, I never have money on my mind when I'm working. (only during accounting season.)


Forgive me if it came off like I putting every SP in the same pot, I was infact frustrated when I wrote the post.


Hopefully that clears things up>

 

[Svend]

No one likes to hear that anyone in any industry is simply financially motivated, it ruins the illusion.
We like to hear that pro hockey players are in it for the love of the game, your mechanic wants to simply solve your car problem, teachers want children to learn, politicians want to fix the world, and doctors want to heal.
In the real world, we know that money does motivate and people like to be rewarded but we know most also take pride in doing a good job.
Escorts aren't really that different from us.

 

[figjam4]

Hola figjam $150.00 an hour???? what is your menu, do you offer incall? how much more if your boss is involved?? LOL

It all has to do with numbers Stacey, and I do both incalls and out calls...lol

I do not really care about my boss(es) I have three, I prefer to work alone, but they do come at a much higer price tag.

Ncn2004, there are good people out there, Jasmin is one of them. Luck

 

[Navigator24]

Accountants?

We like to hear that pro hockey players are in it for the love of the game, your mechanic wants to simply solve your car problem, teachers want children to learn, politicians want to fix the world, and doctors want to heal.

Accountants....want to count beans

 

[ricflairjuniour]

Alexa,
You`re confirming my point, earlier up in this thread.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=95989&page=1&pp=9

 

[ncn2004]

thats good input... Kinda changes the view a bit.

I appologize for my ignorance! (that was hard to write! lol)

Alexa Taylor + Jasmine - I will have to see you and see what I have been missing!