Finally justice - This is Canada

toughb

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Muslim women who wish to vote in Monday's Quebec election must now show their faces when they cast their ballots, the province's chief returning officer announced Friday, in a reversal of an earlier decision.

Marcel Blanchet has reversed an earlier decision and has now concluded Muslim women must remove their face coverings, or niqabs, when they vote.

"We were afraid that many people would arrive with a bags on their head, with a Darth Vader mask on the head, with a Halloween costume ... and cause some trouble, refuse to remove the mask," Denis Dion, a spokesman for the chief electoral officer, told reporters.

Blanchet used special powers under electoral law to reverse the decision.

Elections Quebec had earlier decided that Muslim women will be allowed to wear the niqab, which leaves only a woman's eyes visible, if they sign a sworn statement attesting to their identity, show two pieces of identification and are accompanied by someone who can vouch for their identity.

Blanchet's initial decision prompted non-Muslim citizens to threaten they would show up at polling stations wearing masks.

After his announcement, Elections Quebec also received threatening phone calls and emails that prompted Blanchet to ensure he was being protected by two bodyguards.

As a result, Blanchet had to get two bodyguards.

"They said look, this has gone too far, we cannot upset the serenity of the voting process, people at the polling stations cannot deal with this sort of silliness, it disrupts the other voters," CTV Montreal's John Grant said.

"So anybody now wearing anything on their face that disguises them, cannot vote. That's the only course of action they saw fit," Grant said of Elections Quebec.

Quebec's three main political leaders had asked Blanchet to reverse the decision.

Liberal Leader Jean Charest requested on Thursday to have the decision reversed that would allow Muslim women to wear their niqab or burqa while casting their ballots.

Parti Quebecois Leader Andre Boisclair and Action democratique du Quebec Leader Mario Dumont agreed with Charest on the issue.

Boisclair said Elections Quebec has taken the hot-button topic of reasonable accommodation too far.

In recent months, Quebec has come under the spotlight for its treatment of reasonable accommodation for newcomers.

Sondos Abdelatif, 19, was given the ultimatum to withdraw from a corrections training session at a Montreal jail or remove her headscarf earlier this month.

In February, an 11-year-old Ottawa girl was ejected from a soccer game in Quebec after she refused to remove her headscarf during the game. The incident garnered international attention after soccer's governing body, FIFA, upheld the ban on headscarves.

Furthermore, the small town of Herouxville drew international attention when it adopted a declaration of "norms'' that outlines how immigrants must fit in.
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Basically if you don't like Canadian laws and ways you're free to leave.

ASAP:mad:
 

toughb

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scouser1 said:
this story got you excited and reiled up to post hmmm
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this country to be ours or sit and let the world walk on you using this countries rights?:p
 

tboy

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This kind of reminds me of the lawsuit filed by a sikh who was working on a construction site and couldn't wear a hardhat because of his turban. Well, according to the Ministry of Labour everyone on a construction site MUST wear a hard hat or be escorted (no pun intended) off the site immediately. The developer/company would be charged immediately if they didn't enforce this law.

Anyhow, I agree with the decision. I understand a person's right to religious freedom but when it comes to conceiling your identity in regards to something as important as voting then a line has to be drawn. What's to stop someone from voting umteen times using someone else's id if they could conceal their identity? NOthing.....
 

mattd40

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Good, we need to draw the line somewhere. Bending backwards for every idiots religious freedoms is ridiculous.
 

Scarey

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nasty story

My wife was cabbing to work the other day.Upon getting in the cab she tryed to casual chat with the cabbie.His response?" I will take you where you want to go ..but i will not talk to you..you are not wearing a (muslim name for a the facial covering), you are unclean"....I'm a believer of religious equality for all but i don't think I've ever been so angry in my life.
 

Meister

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Scarey said:
My wife was cabbing to work the other day.Upon getting in the cab she tryed to casual chat with the cabbie.His response?" I will take you where you want to go ..but i will not talk to you..you are not wearing a (muslim name for a the facial covering), you are unclean"....I'm a believer of religious equality for all but i don't think I've ever been so angry in my life.
I don't know how some of the Muslims can stand it in North America. All these unclean women, Alcohol at 7-11, Strip Joints beside Tim Hortons.... All this deviancy. They must be constantly thinking about getting away from here.
hmmmm:confused:
 

MarkII

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Question:

Can you get a drivers license in Quebec with most of your face covered?

If you can't then it applies to voting as well. One person could vote for many people since they cannot be truly identified.

Religion has nothing to do with it. It is simply common sense. You live here, these are the rules we ALL live by. You can freely practice your religion but certain rules of the state apply to all and for well thought out reasons.

These rules of fairness that are not part of other cultures are why many have come to Canada in the first place. Please celebrate your culture but understand that right comes with certain fundamental principles that will not be altered.

M2
 

MuffDiver

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scouser1 said:
this story got you excited and reiled up to post hmmm :rolleyes:
Would that be "riled" up to post?

Nobody can farking spell anymore!
 

MuffDiver

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You want to come here, these are our rules. If these go against your beliefs, you are free to leave.

How many companies now call a Christmas Party a Holiday Party.

FARK OFF!

I'd love to see the reaction if a bunch of Canadians moved to another country and started trying to change things. We'd be thrown out on our assets! Yet in Canada, we bend over! I'm all for diversity, but diversity has become a synonym for changing whatever any minority finds offensive.
 

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alienencounters said:
Conform you miserable fuckers.

The most offensive sentence I have ever heard was "I will not rest until England is living under Sharia Law"
here have a bunch of racists on this board, this is no one fucking country and world you idiots.
 

Bobo

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timy said:
here have a bunch of racists on this board, this is no one fucking country and world you idiots.
A little more time in Canada and you may eventually learn a little grammar!
 

oldjones

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What's really interesting, and sad, is how excited this thing has gotten all you guys, The existing electoral law and muslim practice in such security/ID matters was quite adequate to deal with the situation. But a bunch of yahoos who can't seem to tolerate anything they wouldn't do blew it up beyond belief. And, as I read above, they continue.

You note that the Electoral Officer's concerned about what the yahoos might do in 'asserting their rights', not about establishing the idenity of niqab wearing muslim women.
 

papasmerf

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oldjones said:
What's really interesting, and sad, is how excited this thing has gotten all you guys, The existing electoral law and muslim practice in such security/ID matters was quite adequate to deal with the situation. But a bunch of yahoos who can't seem to tolerate anything they wouldn't do blew it up beyond belief. And, as I read above, they continue.

Opinions vary. However when personal beliefs conflict with civil laws, those beliefs must take a backseat to the laws. No you do have the option of finding a community where your personal beliefs are shared and move there.


The issue of shiwing ones face to vote is not unreasonable. You do of course have the option not to vote. Or extend to option of being covered to all who vote. I don't belive the idea is to discriminate aginst anyone but rather protect the rights of those who vote. Making sure the voters are the regestered voter they claim to be.
 

Tao

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MuffDiver said:
You want to come here, these are our rules. If these go against your beliefs, you are free to leave.

How many companies now call a Christmas Party a Holiday Party.

FARK OFF!

I'd love to see the reaction if a bunch of Canadians moved to another country and started trying to change things. We'd be thrown out on our assets! Yet in Canada, we bend over! I'm all for diversity, but diversity has become a synonym for changing whatever any minority finds offensive.
Totally agree MuffDiver...Canadians need to take a stand and protect what rules we still have in place, things that make us Canadian! Want to be able to vote in this wonderful country you came running too to take advantage of freedom and free health care...SHOW YOUR FARKING FACE! its not asking much
 

drstrangelove

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There's one thing that hasn't been asked in this issue, and that's why someone's face must actually be shown to vote. Do people have to produce some type of photo id to vote, I don't think so. Are the people at the registration desks expected to remember the faces of every one who votes, I don't think so. So what really is the point of having someone show their face?

Sure, is someone wants to get other peoples voter registration cards and use them, they can vote more than once. Showing your face may or may not stop this from happening, but I think a mountain is being made out of a mole hill, and really over nothing.
 

papasmerf

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you have a point. Voter ID should be photo ID and perhaps backed up with a thumb print. With todays computers that would be a calk walk to do.
 

Berlin

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Marcel Blanchet has reversed an earlier decision and has now concluded Muslim women must remove their face coverings, or niqabs, when they vote.
I think the new decision is fair.

oldjones said:
You note that the Electoral Officer's concerned about what the yahoos might do in 'asserting their rights', not about establishing the idenity of niqab wearing muslim women.
Saw that on the news too regarding the concern. Imagine them yahoo's in full Halloween costume arriving at the voting stations... :D
 

oldjones

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papasmerf said:
Opinions vary. However when personal beliefs conflict with civil laws, those beliefs must take a backseat to the laws. No you do have the option of finding a community where your personal beliefs are shared and move there.


The issue of shiwing ones face to vote is not unreasonable. You do of course have the option not to vote. Or extend to option of being covered to all who vote. I don't belive the idea is to discriminate aginst anyone but rather protect the rights of those who vote. Making sure the voters are the regestered voter they claim to be.
Having worked as a Deputy Returning Officer in a number of provincial and federal elections, I can state, as the Quebec Chief Electoral Officer did, that it is not required that one show one's face to vote. In our system, if you're on the Voters List you get to vote. You do not have to prove who you are unless there's a challenge.

To get yourself onto the list, if you were left off, it might be that you would have to use photo ID that established your name, residency or citizenship and have to show your face to do so. In such matters of official security muslim women will lift the veil to allow verification. But there are procedures, such as "vouching" which would allow anyone, veiled or not, to be added to the list, or to be confirmed as being on the list without having photo ID.

It's an entirely reasonable way of protecting our right to vote from the tyranny of pettifogging paperpushers. After all, if I don't drive, have no passport, and am forbidden by law from using my Health Card as ID, what sort of photo ID is available to me? That same provision that allows me to vote allows the veiled woman to vote. It's at least one time when Canadians meet their government that they are taken to be upstanding citizens from the getgo.

Your advice about going where one's ideas are shared was, I hope, meant for the death-threatening bozos who planned to disrupt the election by wearing hallowe'en masks and outrageous costumes. I'm sure it warms your heart as it does mine to see new citizens still wearing the clothes of lands where democracy is unknown proudly stepping forward to exercise their right to vote. If only the native-born were all so patriotic.
 
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