There are a few fights left for him outside the UFC against top tier competition. Barnett, if he can ever get licensed, Werdum, Overeem. His record is impressive, and he has fought top tier fighters over and over again in pride (save for Barnett). But yeah, he's also fought his share of circus freaks. Im not sure the question will ever be answered as to whether Fedor fights cans on occasion because he wants to pad his record, or because his management (cough, russian mafia) force him to pad their bank accounts.
Fedor is overrated
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I agree that Fedor is very good, very skilled, and among the best. I do believe that he is overrated though because I believe much better fighters are out there. We saw glimpses of that last night. I'm not knocking Fedor personally. If you want to put a face on a sport, you'd want his. He's humble and professional.
Couture? lol. Fedor would chew Couture out without trying.
Lesnar can beat Fedor but only on sheer luck because of his size and brute strength. Fedor will either clock him with a hard right or submit him on the ground. Lesnar has no ground game.
Look, I give credit where it's due. There is no name that I can point to and say "this guy is a better heavyweight than Fedor", but it's less about Fedor and more about the lack of competition in the division. America has moved away from combat sport fighting heavyweights which is why the boxing heavyweight division has been pathetic for more than a decade.
if you can't name anyone better , isn't that saying he's the best out there?
again , if Lesnar only wins by sheer luck , that says a lot to me about his skill for going against a much bigger guy and winning.
isn't that what drew everyone to this sport in the first place , seeing Royce Gracie beat the guys with a size advantage.
as far as him not facing anyone tough , look at the wiki page for his fights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko
Nogueira, cro-cop, herring, coleman... seems like pretty tough competition to me.
again , if Lesnar only wins by sheer luck , that says a lot to me about his skill for going against a much bigger guy and winning.
isn't that what drew everyone to this sport in the first place , seeing Royce Gracie beat the guys with a size advantage.
as far as him not facing anyone tough , look at the wiki page for his fights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko
Nogueira, cro-cop, herring, coleman... seems like pretty tough competition to me.
Fedor was lucky to get out of the first round. If Rodgers nerves hadn't gotten to him, he would have finished Fedor off. He knows there is no excuse for his loss, hence is unprofessional comments immediately following the fight. He's angry at himself. He knew that he just got punked in a situation that he could have and should have won handily. He should go into it full-time, and train with the elite and fight the elite like Fedor has.
Going from changing tires and fighting MMA part-time to fighting the best in MMA and nearly winning says a lot. It's a reality check for Fedor and for the sport.
If they have a rematch, I know who I'm betting on (and it's still a bet because nothing is certain and Fedor theoretically can repeat what he did last night, but given what I saw, it's unlikely). I realize that it's sacrosanct to mention that Fedor is beatable by far superior fighters, but it is what it is.
lottery tickets would be a much better investment than betting against Fedor...
hell, pretty much anything would be a better investment
Lesnar's luck has run out. He is currently ducking and hiding from Shane Carwin.
If Americans are so great then why are Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, and Georges St. Pierre champions in the UFC? No Americans there. BTW, the most popular heavyweight right now with the American public is Kimbo Slice. Enough said.
A troll by any other name
Hacks. LOL!
Fedor Emelianenko has fought and defeated everyone that was put in front of him, always in dominant fashion. You can only beat who's out there, not some figment of a delusional "fan's" imagination. ("Like, what if BJ Penn / GSP / Anderson Silva was 250lbs - he could be Fedor!")
As for "America's greatest would-be fighters are sitting in prison cells right now," I don't even know what to say. That is in the running for the dumbest comment ever posted. We're discussing MMA, not fight-for-your-life street brawling.
Carry on trollin'!
You lost all credibility right there. Antônio Rodrigo 'Minotauro' Nogueira was considered the greatest heavyweight BJJ fighter ever at the time and Fedor dominated him on the ground twice. Mirko 'Cro Cop' Filipović was an unstoppable monster and the greatest striker in HW history who knocked everyone out and couldn't be taken down and Fedor dominated him standing.
Hacks. LOL!
Fedor Emelianenko has fought and defeated everyone that was put in front of him, always in dominant fashion. You can only beat who's out there, not some figment of a delusional "fan's" imagination. ("Like, what if BJ Penn / GSP / Anderson Silva was 250lbs - he could be Fedor!")
Who's talking about Kimbo? Only MMA noobs and internet trolling, mom's basement-living bedwetters... Hmmm...
I thought the "Hacks" comment was funny/pathetic until I read this. Brett Rogers is a big, solid heavyweight who can hold his own against most, but he simply doesn't have the skillset to beat a top fighter. He's not a polished striker, wrestler or submission fighter/grappler. His only chance to reach your mythical 50% number is to get a rematch and score a fluke knockout and then duck Fedor for the rest of his life...
As for "America's greatest would-be fighters are sitting in prison cells right now," I don't even know what to say. That is in the running for the dumbest comment ever posted. We're discussing MMA, not fight-for-your-life street brawling.
This is your only worthwhile and somewhat true comment. Of course there will be someone who one day will have the years of training & learned skills, willpower and true toughness (mental and physical) to beat Fedor. That's just a fact - no one remains undefeated forever (unless they quit while they're ahead like Rocky Marciano.) Hell, it may even be Brock Lesnar, who is a huge (280+ at the time of the fight), freakishly strong fighter with a tremendous wrestling base and natural gorilla-like power. It won't be Brett Rogers, except by "lucky" one-punch knockout.
Carry on trollin'!
Yeah, we know you hate Brock Lesnar. Get over it. He's a beast and the best of the UFC HW division*. Period.
(*Not the most skilled, but big enough, powerful enough, fast enough and with very high-level wrestling. He's too much for 99% of the heavyweights in the world - and he's only getting better. You're going to have to come to grips with that.)
Ducking Shane Carwin...
You do realize that Carwin is a smaller, less skilled vanilla version of Lesnar, without the ability to elicit any response (or generate money) from the hardcore or mainstream fans, right?
MMA is a business. The only way to get better fighters in MMA is to ensure they get paid. The only way to get paydays is to provide entertainment and draw attention - Brock does that in spades - he learned from the master, Vince McMahon. Lesnar (unwittingly) is building up the sport financially to make it worthwhile for the next generation of elite athletes to come in make a great living doing what they love and are good at.
It has been reported that Lesnar has mono. If that is true then it would be career suicide to fight Carwin in that condition. Lesnar is certainly an enigma.While I always cheer against him, I give him credit as a vicious GnP practitioner who has the potential to vault the sport to heights never before imagined.
In a ring Fedor would beat lesnar but in a cage I not so sure. fighting in a cage is a whole different dynamic. hopefully some day that match will come to fruition.
Is it hard to extract Lesnar's cock from your ass everyday or do you just service him orally and let him call you "bitch"?Yeah, we know you hate Brock Lesnar. Get over it. He's a beast and the best of the UFC HW division*. Period.
(*Not the most skilled, but big enough, powerful enough, fast enough and with very high-level wrestling. He's too much for 99% of the heavyweights in the world - and he's only getting better. You're going to have to come to grips with that.)
Ducking Shane Carwin...
You do realize that Carwin is a smaller, less skilled vanilla version of Lesnar, without the ability to elicit any response (or generate money) from the hardcore or mainstream fans, right?
MMA is a business. The only way to get better fighters in MMA is to ensure they get paid. The only way to get paydays is to provide entertainment and draw attention - Brock does that in spades - he learned from the master, Vince McMahon. Lesnar (unwittingly) is building up the sport financially to make it worthwhile for the next generation of elite athletes to come in make a great living doing what they love and are good at.
The way you carry on about him, I'd suggest that YOU were Brock's jilted ex-lover, sunshine.
(Psst, just an aside: unlike yourself, I don't "hate" anyone. And I certainly respect everyone who's man enough to get into a cage. Even moreso when they are at the highest levels of the sport. Or forces of nature like Lesnar.)
That being said, I am a Fedor "nuthugger" and I don't "cheat" on my man.
So what if Rogers worked at Sams Club? Shane Carwin is still working as an Engineer and I don't hear u talking shit about him. Rogers has been training in MMA for 6 years including standup and ground. He is very similar to Shane Carwin. Both guys are big with crazy ko power but were fairly untested. Shane Carwin koed Gonzaga but struggled and Rogers Koed Arlovski with relative ease. Arlovski is higher ranked HW then Gonzaga ne ways so Rogers is ranked higher then Carwin. Rogers is a top 10 HW. People just get suckered into Danas propoganda. People are always gonna hate you when your on top. Only Fedor can get criticized when he Brutally Ko's a guy to oblivion. I would like to see Anderson Silva, GSP, Machida stay on top of their division for 10 years str8 without a blemish. Fedor is the best MMA fighter of all time.
Not as easy as you think...
Fighting in a cage, where he could press Fedor against the fence and lean on him, Lesnar would REALLY give Emelianenko a hard time and quite possibly beat him outright. The ring would swing it a little bit more in Fedor's favour.
Fedor's a small heavyweight and 50+ pounds at the time of a fight makes a HUGE difference when you're talking about someone with the quickness, strength, power, explosiveness, strong hips and wrestling base of Brock Lesnar.
I'm a self-admitted Fedor 'nuthugger', but I think Brock would give him a hell of a fight due to the factors listed above.
Fedor would probably beat Brock, but not easily. Where they fight - ring or cage - makes all the difference. We're talking about Brock Lesnar, 2-time NJCAA champ, NCAA champ and finalist and UFC heavyweight champ, not Hong Man Choi, Zuluzinho, Bob Sapp or some other lesser-talented freakshow.
Fighting in a cage, where he could press Fedor against the fence and lean on him, Lesnar would REALLY give Emelianenko a hard time and quite possibly beat him outright. The ring would swing it a little bit more in Fedor's favour.
Fedor's a small heavyweight and 50+ pounds at the time of a fight makes a HUGE difference when you're talking about someone with the quickness, strength, power, explosiveness, strong hips and wrestling base of Brock Lesnar.
I'm a self-admitted Fedor 'nuthugger', but I think Brock would give him a hell of a fight due to the factors listed above.
I think that the key for Fedor versus Lesnar is when they fight. Now, Fedor would have a big experience advantage. But the more fights Lesnar has, the better he gets, where Fedor is presumably at his peak. Once the experience is less of a factor, the speed, strength and 50 pounds will be more significant.
True, I think it would be a hell of a fight but it looks like Brock has a serious illness and his return is unknown. Hell they don't even know if he will ever fight again. Hope he gets better.
