Federal Gov't: Whites need not apply
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its true we try too hard to be non-discriminatory -- think about it if there is a sign in toronto that had the french smaller than the english ppl would be tripping out about how its not fair and canada is bi-lingual blah blah blah but in quebec its the law that the french be bigger than the english
another thing is the ttc will stop at any street corner after 11pm for WOMEN because they might not feel safe walking home alone now granted women are far more susceptible to rape but if someone has a gun and wants money if he comes up to me and tells me to hand it over thats what i am doin and i am a man
if we are equal then we are equal, end of story, not "we are equal but i am a woman/black/aboriginal/misc minority so i get this...."
(and for any minorities or genders or w/e that feel left out cuz i didnt mention them in this rant i am sorry and want you to know that the choosing of minorities for this rant was completely arbitrary and i am an equal opportunity ranter)
another thing is the ttc will stop at any street corner after 11pm for WOMEN because they might not feel safe walking home alone now granted women are far more susceptible to rape but if someone has a gun and wants money if he comes up to me and tells me to hand it over thats what i am doin and i am a man
if we are equal then we are equal, end of story, not "we are equal but i am a woman/black/aboriginal/misc minority so i get this...."
(and for any minorities or genders or w/e that feel left out cuz i didnt mention them in this rant i am sorry and want you to know that the choosing of minorities for this rant was completely arbitrary and i am an equal opportunity ranter)
Fuck man, when I first arrived at U of T, I thought I was at the University of Hong Kong and that the Whites were the minorities especially at the arts and science faculty, Comp. Sci. and the Business School.Fred Zed said:
Then, when I went to the Waterloo campus ... I too thought I was in the University of Hong Kong and seemed like Whites and other peoples were minorities even though it was a Canadian univerity where Whites are the majority in Canada.
This phenomena is also true for other faculites at York too ...
I think certain cultures are attracted to certain disciplines. Of course I am not trying to generalize but most of my East Asian friends either went into computer science, engineering, economics or business school. I think I was the only one to take politics and philospohy. And of course, I really felt "special" in my classes because I would be the only East Asian dude in the entire lectuer hall which sits anywhere from 30 to 300 people ...
And no DenWa ... I don't have a crush on Goobs. In fact, I think he has a secret creampie cleaning fantasy or else he wouldn't like pie so much ... its his subconsciousness that's speaking out when he says "I like pie" ... hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Dave - you are a maniac...call a doctor and have your head checked...lay off the sperm, man....it's for the ladies.
DW
DW
Goob had a good point I'd like to follow up on. He said that it you could remove "black" from this situation and he is correct. Growing up in a multi-cultural area in Brooklyn, people will more often make assumptions on how you act/dress than race. Race is definately a factor but not as much as people think. For a project in high school, I remember I did a study on attitudes of people on race, dress and actions. I had a variety of people participate by walking into a local convienance store. The person working there was an old white lady. Basically the results of the study showed that dress, actions and age factored in more than race. An elderly black man that looks and dresses like David Dinkins (ex-NY mayor before Guliani) hardly gets a look while the 17 yr old white boy with the green hair, ripped demin jacket, sex pistols T-shirt and multiple piercings and tattoos got the lady glancing over at him several times with a look of concern and suspicion. Yes the young black kid with the beatbox and ultra-baggy pants got somes stares.. but so did the white kid that was in there dressed the same and singing lyrics to NWA.kiarra said:
Oh yeah I don't doubt for a second that racism exists and some people will dislike you on your race no matter how you dress but growing up, I found that lots of people in the neighborhood I grew up in that said they got harassed because of being black or hispanic or whatever... I also would have looked at them suspiciously... not because of their race but because of how they were dressed and acting (you gotta put on a "tough" front ya know)...
Second point on this thread: I do not like affirmative action because it lowers the standards. It discourages some people from trying as hard. I've seen it happen. I used to tutor inner city kids as a city volunteer and seen the distructive nature of handouts (like welfare) and lower standards. They get used to the handouts or having lower standards and that is what they look forward to or get used to which is a very dangerous attittude to have. It also tells little kids they aren't good enough to succeed on their own.
But Don, I really don't think just because a certain person dresses in a certain way or listens to a certain music that they should be classified as a "troublemaker". When I lived in the dorms I had people blasting and having stereo wars with the roughest music, anything from NWA to Nashville Pussy to whatever ... and guess what, many looked "weird" and dressed "weird" and talked "weird" ... but so what? That's just part of growing up. I am sure your moma didn't like the way you dressed, walked, talked and carried yourself when you were young.
For me, because I look young ... everytime I go into a high class or high end camera shop or electronics shop I get weird looks. I know its not a race issue because the the Chinese guy standing next to me (who does look like they are in their mid 30's-40's) gets great service. But yet, I don't blame them (the sales) because its obvious that the old guy has more spending power then I do and are more likely to buy some shit. Whereas, I am just hanging around looking and checking out latest gadgetry ... All in all, I agree with your age thing ... but we still should not judge how a certain person is just because of their looks man ...
As for your points on affirmative action. I agree ... its true man. Meeting a quota does not mean meeting the needs of that specific job. Something as important as a fire fighter or a cop should have high standards because these people are our first line of defense against fires and crime ... they are here to serve the people ...
For me, because I look young ... everytime I go into a high class or high end camera shop or electronics shop I get weird looks. I know its not a race issue because the the Chinese guy standing next to me (who does look like they are in their mid 30's-40's) gets great service. But yet, I don't blame them (the sales) because its obvious that the old guy has more spending power then I do and are more likely to buy some shit. Whereas, I am just hanging around looking and checking out latest gadgetry ... All in all, I agree with your age thing ... but we still should not judge how a certain person is just because of their looks man ...
As for your points on affirmative action. I agree ... its true man. Meeting a quota does not mean meeting the needs of that specific job. Something as important as a fire fighter or a cop should have high standards because these people are our first line of defense against fires and crime ... they are here to serve the people ...
SD: I agree with you for sure. You shouldn't be judged by the way you dress or music you listen to. I listened to a whole bunch of wild shit growing up. I was responding to kiarra's statement by saying that perhaps attitude, dress, style and how you carry yourself (she said it herself - "Because he looks like a thug") has a lot to do with nasty stares.. sometimes more than race.
It is wrong to judge someone by their style but everyone does it... yes, minorities too. A black man who likes country music, owns a ranch and drives a truck is called an "Uncle Tom" (Karl Malone) even though chances are the person calling him has never met him.
It is wrong to judge someone by their style but everyone does it... yes, minorities too. A black man who likes country music, owns a ranch and drives a truck is called an "Uncle Tom" (Karl Malone) even though chances are the person calling him has never met him.
Yeah ... so I guess we ought to blame it on the media and the fashion trends. To me, it seems like nowadays ... its "cool" to look like a thug or a gangsta ... cause that's the way its being promoted in music, especially hip-hop. If you listen to that Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg shit ... its all about how many holes they've fucked, how much money they make and how many platinum records they have and how its so glorious to be a thug/gangsta ...
Then, you have people who pretend to be like these people on MTV who may or may not really be gangsters. They could just be selling an image to get those dumbasses attention. I mean you won't believe how many people wore a white T-shirt and dark blue jeans when Eminem started to do it. And remember when Fred Durst used to wear a black T-shirt, khaki pants and a baseball cap put on backwards? So many people did that too ...
Just look at how much these stupid MTV folks have an affect on young kids ... so let's just blame it on the media as an easy way out, shall we? LOL
Then, you have people who pretend to be like these people on MTV who may or may not really be gangsters. They could just be selling an image to get those dumbasses attention. I mean you won't believe how many people wore a white T-shirt and dark blue jeans when Eminem started to do it. And remember when Fred Durst used to wear a black T-shirt, khaki pants and a baseball cap put on backwards? So many people did that too ...
Just look at how much these stupid MTV folks have an affect on young kids ... so let's just blame it on the media as an easy way out, shall we? LOL
Why Does Bashing White Males Receive Mealy Mouthed Criticism?
Affirmative Action, or, as we say in Canada, Employment Equity, is NOT reverse discrimination. Why? Because that would imply something different about the discrimination -- and it's the selfsame as any form of racist discrimination. Any advocacy of forcing employers to hire someone on the basis of sex or race, is sexism and racism. Those who advocate this know exactly what they're advocating. I'll call a spade a spade. It's racist and sexist, pure and simple. Why the bending over backwards? Sure, I've heard some good arguments which has made Kiarra backpeddle a bit (although, has she really changed her mind?). C'mon, you who made the criticisms, you know these are mealy mouthed criticisms. It wouldn't have been the same if she referred to Black males the same way.
Consider this, when someone says: "White males tend to think a certain way and they will hire so and so because they're white". This view suggests that my unchosen ethnicity determines my thoughts. Unwittingly, they share the exact same premises on race as the Nazis. According to the Nazis, there was a Aryan Logic, a Jewish logic, etc. Therefore Jews couldn't help the way they thought because they were a product of their race.
It's either/or: If you're not racist don't advocate it. I know some of you are well meaning, but it doesn't change the fact that you're advocating a racist idea.
Philosopher David Kelley's article is germane to what we're discussing:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/dkelley_ban-racism-not-discrimination.asp
Affirmative Action, or, as we say in Canada, Employment Equity, is NOT reverse discrimination. Why? Because that would imply something different about the discrimination -- and it's the selfsame as any form of racist discrimination. Any advocacy of forcing employers to hire someone on the basis of sex or race, is sexism and racism. Those who advocate this know exactly what they're advocating. I'll call a spade a spade. It's racist and sexist, pure and simple. Why the bending over backwards? Sure, I've heard some good arguments which has made Kiarra backpeddle a bit (although, has she really changed her mind?). C'mon, you who made the criticisms, you know these are mealy mouthed criticisms. It wouldn't have been the same if she referred to Black males the same way.
Consider this, when someone says: "White males tend to think a certain way and they will hire so and so because they're white". This view suggests that my unchosen ethnicity determines my thoughts. Unwittingly, they share the exact same premises on race as the Nazis. According to the Nazis, there was a Aryan Logic, a Jewish logic, etc. Therefore Jews couldn't help the way they thought because they were a product of their race.
It's either/or: If you're not racist don't advocate it. I know some of you are well meaning, but it doesn't change the fact that you're advocating a racist idea.
Philosopher David Kelley's article is germane to what we're discussing:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/articles/dkelley_ban-racism-not-discrimination.asp
Ok, to be fair, DenWa and one or two others come close to calling a spade a spade. But, no one, as far as I can tell, has come out and called this Racism -- and that is exactly what it is.
It would not be politically correct to say that hiring policies discriminate aginst White Folk. You must remember that because something once happened somewhere; generations to come must pay the debt of the grand and great grand parents.Wired For Sound said:
So of course because i am always politically correct I will not say that raceism prevails in hiring policies of many agencies. As you know it is insensitive to accuse people of not using intellengence and refusing to hire the best QUALIFIED canidate for a job; based on a QUOTA sysrem that in the USA, has been declared VOID. But is in place and worshiped based on funding.
Sorry, Kiarra, you're making a HUGE assumption by prejudging people here. I disagree with you vehemently.kiarra said:
You are perpetuating a stereotype, which makes you no better than that small percentage of people who still do have a problem with other races. Automatically thinking that white people are staring at someone just because they're black is also racism.
You don't have to fear the whitey, Kiarra...
Are you willing to specifically tailor your business practices to strictly minority men to support your statement?kiarra said:
Wired for Sound - I agree with you completely, and it's what I was trying to say. The problem is, we've reached a point where white people are afraid to say anything about anything, even when it is warranted, because the reflex reaction can be a lot more than simply being told off...you can find yourself out of a job, or even in legal trouble, and at best labeled a racist.
It's become the norm for black comedians to very harshly make fun of white people - hell, you even see it in commercials and sit-coms...but when's the last time you heard a black joke that didn't start with someone looking over each shoulder.
My father was a schoolteacher in an all-black suburb of Detroit - he was one of three white teachers in the entire school...All of my dad's friends and co-workers were black...we had black people over at our house all the time. Neighbors gave us shit, even the cops gave us shit when my family would have a function. Considering I grew up in an all-white suburb in Michigan, I had a fairly multi-cultural upbringing. Now that I'm in L.A., my best friend Eddie is black - hell, I had Christmas Dinner last year in South Central L.A. - I'm the Godfather to two black children. Yet, when I'm down in Inglewood with Eddie I get stared at in a way that makes me feel very good that Eddie is at my side, as I don't know that people would be so friendly otherwise.
If we can't bridge the gap by befriending people of other races and becoming a part of each other's communities without getting dirty looks, then how are we supposed to come together in a larger sense. These programs do nothing but instill anger in people, and perpetuate the separitism that exists between racial groups. The kids in the ghetto in Detroit are not getting into U of M or Harvard because of these programs. They are still in the ghetto, and nobody really cares. Every single black student I knew at U of M, EVERY single one, was there on scholarship and came from just as well-to-do of a family as mine. That's not helping the downtrodden, that's not helping the ghetto - it's simply a way for middle class people to abuse the system because they happen to be black, or Mexican, or whatever.
I refuse to pay for the sins of people who are generations dead. If we can't let go of the past, then we're all doomed.
DW
It's become the norm for black comedians to very harshly make fun of white people - hell, you even see it in commercials and sit-coms...but when's the last time you heard a black joke that didn't start with someone looking over each shoulder.
My father was a schoolteacher in an all-black suburb of Detroit - he was one of three white teachers in the entire school...All of my dad's friends and co-workers were black...we had black people over at our house all the time. Neighbors gave us shit, even the cops gave us shit when my family would have a function. Considering I grew up in an all-white suburb in Michigan, I had a fairly multi-cultural upbringing. Now that I'm in L.A., my best friend Eddie is black - hell, I had Christmas Dinner last year in South Central L.A. - I'm the Godfather to two black children. Yet, when I'm down in Inglewood with Eddie I get stared at in a way that makes me feel very good that Eddie is at my side, as I don't know that people would be so friendly otherwise.
If we can't bridge the gap by befriending people of other races and becoming a part of each other's communities without getting dirty looks, then how are we supposed to come together in a larger sense. These programs do nothing but instill anger in people, and perpetuate the separitism that exists between racial groups. The kids in the ghetto in Detroit are not getting into U of M or Harvard because of these programs. They are still in the ghetto, and nobody really cares. Every single black student I knew at U of M, EVERY single one, was there on scholarship and came from just as well-to-do of a family as mine. That's not helping the downtrodden, that's not helping the ghetto - it's simply a way for middle class people to abuse the system because they happen to be black, or Mexican, or whatever.
I refuse to pay for the sins of people who are generations dead. If we can't let go of the past, then we're all doomed.
DW
