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spankingman

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Smart Women Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Hilary is smart an Ivy League grad Would ya do'er??

Id do the "other" Hilary from Fresh Prince!!!!!!! or Swank or Duff
Wouldn't wanna be where "BUBBA's been!!!!!
 
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CapitalGuy

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This isn't new.

SPs currently working include a PhD in English Litt, Masters in Biology, Master in Social Work, Law degree after a bachelors in Political Science and Management, two MBAs, PhD in Mathematics, and several in their bachelor programs. And they're all pretty decent looking too. :)
Sadly, though, the vast majority of women in the sex trade are not in that category. Stories like this only serve to glamorize what is actually a tragic industry for the vast majority of its participants. Grossly misleading.
 

fernie

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Sadly, though, the vast majority of women in the sex trade are not in that category. Stories like this only serve to glamorize what is actually a tragic industry for the vast majority of its participants. Grossly misleading.
One could argue that the same goes for nursing profession for the most part.

Fernie
 

jwmorrice

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In the laboratory.
Sadly, though, the vast majority of women in the sex trade are not in that category. Stories like this only serve to glamorize what is actually a tragic industry for the vast majority of its participants. Grossly misleading.
All too true. :(

jwm
 

james t kirk

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word!
I have recently had the honour to bed a few educated SPs and the difference between them and small-town HS drop outs was remarkable.

Should we start a thread on educated (currently available) SPs? Or maybe lets hijack this one?:)
I would say that you should start a new one....
 

Aardvark154

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Sadly, though, the vast majority of women in the sex trade are not in that category. Stories like this only serve to glamorize what is actually a tragic industry for the vast majority of its participants. Grossly misleading.
But doesn't that also have much to do with the various levels of the industry escort - streetwalker, extra money/student - no other job, ant - grasshopper etc. . . .
I'm happy to say that I've found that much of the industry in Canada is the former rather than the latter.
 

Aardvark154

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Now come the Feminists to yell

And now come the "Feminists" :mad:

This is not my experience hobbying, perhaps I have just been lucky or careful. And it is not what the escorts here on TERB have to say.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...clever-woman-stupidly-naive-sleazy-world.html

The Daily Mail
Bel Mooney

Nothing bad happened to Belle de Jour - or so she says. The famous secret blogger whose Diary Of A London Call Girl intrigued millions has 'come out' at last as Dr Brooke Magnanti, a scientist who is casually unabashed about her recent life as a hooker.

She says: 'Some sex workers have terrible experiences. I didn't. I was unbelievably fortunate in every respect.'

Naturally, I am very glad that during the time she worked as a call girl, 'Belle' was never raped, robbed, beaten, or worse.


Instead, she got to be played by Billie Piper in a high-jinks TV dramatisation of her blog and made a lot of money. But 'unbelievably fortunate'? Oh, please!


Excuse me, Dr Magnanti, you chose to be used for all varieties of sex by any man who had a spare £300 to buy your body.

And for me, the worst aspect of this whole sorry story is that such an intelligent woman (currently involved in research on 'environmental toxin exposure and child health'), with all the privileges of a good background and education, should make such a low-down, straightforwardly bad choice.

The 'tart with a heart of gold' is a staple of fiction and movies - a modern-day Cinderella who has to shed a lot more than a glass slipper but who still has a lucrative time in posh hotels, courtesy of rich men who look like Richard Gere and who treat her good.

Do you remember that scene in the film Shirley Valentine when the Joanna Lumley character (Shirley's goody-goody former schoolmate who Shirley thinks is now an air hostess) corrects her, in those seductive tones, with: 'I'm a hooker, darling,'

It's a very funny moment, just as Pretty Woman is a very enjoyable film.

No doubt Brooke Magnanti was well aware of the whole Pretty Woman myth when, as a hard-up postgraduate student in 2003, she looked helplessly at her pile of bills and decided to sell sex to pay them off.

In a newspaper interview she offered a particularly tasteless explanation for this bizarre impulse: 'I have a pathological aversion to being in debt. My mother's family are Jewish; there's this hoarding thing, saving, being prepared - if you're in debt, somebody could come and knock on your door and take it all away tomorrow.'

Leaving the stereotypical reference to Jewish people aside, it is outrageous by implication to liken herself - an educated woman waiting to get her PhD - to the kind of pitifully poverty-stricken and powerless female who, the world over, becomes a prostitute because of need.

Dr Magnati makes it sound like she rattled her piggy bank, and because there weren't enough coins to buy a bottle of Chardonnay and a packet of organic chicken breasts, she signed up with an escort agency and smilingly agreed to some pretty nasty sexual practices. Just like that.

But last night a more troubling picture began to emerge - of a woman who knew that her own father used prostitutes.


It may be that this made her wish to emulate those all-too-human women, or that in some obscure way she sought revenge on her father.

Whatever the truth, Dr Magnanti has just added to an unfortunately widespread illusion that sex workers are free-wheeling women who make an empowered choice. (Yes, and that the pimp is a legitimate businessman.)


She makes being a call girl sound like a reasonable career choice for any student, and the fact that her pictures show her to be extremely attractive can only serve to make her influence the more pernicious.

Her complacency makes me deeply queasy. 'Look, of course trafficking occurs. It's awful. Awful. Desperate,' she trills, as if she had any knowledge at all of the terrible, dark world of sexual exploitation endured by thousands of women, who were often prostituted in childhood.

In the UK alone, 75 per cent of prostitutes started when still under-age. On one campaigning website, a girl called Jo says that she was 13 when she began - but not one punter ever complained or stopped because of her age.

It is a startling fact that 70 per cent of all British prostitutes were in care, and nearly half have suffered sexual abuse, with far more than that having endured physical abuse within their families.

Yet, still, the 'happy hooker' myth persists, and teenage girls fall for its seductive grasp.

That's not to say that it lures them directly into prostitution, but it does encourage them to behave in ways that are foolish, demeaning and potentially very dangerous.

Every day naive adolescents post web pictures of themselves in semi-pornographic poses, encouraging boys (and older men, of course) to regard them as nothing more than pieces of meat.

In primary school playgrounds, boys routinely make shockingly sexual suggestions to girls who are pressured to look knowing - and even comply. Now, that's what I call an 'environmental toxic exposure' damaging to child health.

Today, we live in an unpleasant world where pornography is considered cool and censorship is a dirty world among the liberal elite who haven't a clue about what really goes on to create hardcore porn.

From fashion advertisements to children's clothing (which encourages small girls to dress like hookers), the 'pornogrification' of our society is complete, and anybody who decries it is accused of 'moral panic'.

Lap-dancing clubs? Just harmless entertainment, so the liberalisers argue. Let's license more, even in residential areas. Porn on the internet? Well, censorship would be the real sin. And so on.

Yet all of this rests on women's bodies being exploited for cash. That is not sexy, fashionable and exciting, it is sleazy, dark and corrupting.

Since she is so easy-going about prostitution, I suggest that Dr Magnanti does some more of the research she's clearly so good at.


A good start would be the website demandchange.org.uk. This is a coalition between Object, the human rights organisation set up to challenge the increased sexualisation of women in the media and popular culture, and Eaves, a charity working with vulnerable women.

The site neatly dispels any of the Belle de Jour deceit about prostitution as a glamorous choice. The Demand Change! campaign calls for the buying of sex to be criminalisedin order to tackle the issue.


I'm glad to say the pressure group is gaining ground. In a momentous leap forward in policy on tackling prostitution, peers have just agreed to Clause 14 ( formerly Clause 13) of the Policing and Crime Bill.


This criminalises those who buy sexual services from anyone who is pimped, trafficked or otherwise 'controlled for gain'.

Yes, the Bill may have its flaws (some argue that it will force prostitutes out of residential brothels and on to the streets).


But in a dramatic debate, Labour peers took a strong stance in tackling moves by opposers who sought to weaken the clause to such an extent that it would have been thrown out altogether.

I, for one, hope this is a sign that we are seeing a backlash against the 'anything goes' attitude of the past few decades.

According to OBJECT, nine out of ten prostitutes want to leave the trade but don't know how.

Make no mistake, prostitution is not about a man enjoying a thrillingly transgressive sexual encounter with a willing woman who looks like Brooke Magnanti, or Julia Roberts; it is about exploitation, violence and abuse.

Of course, the top-end call girls such as Brooke/Belle command high prices, but the majority of so-called 'working girls' are abject, wrecked people. More than half have been raped or seriously sexually assaulted at the hands of pimps and punters, and up to 95 per cent are drug users.

These are the realities. And any educated woman who defends prostitution, or its close cousin pornography, should be ashamed - ashamed of betraying her fellow women who do not have the indulgence of choice.
 

rama putri

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Sadly, though, the vast majority of women in the sex trade are not in that category. Stories like this only serve to glamorize what is actually a tragic industry for the vast majority of its participants. Grossly misleading.
Duh no kidding. Oh what's the use trying to get you guys to understand what you read?
 

Tokyo Heights

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An Educated Part-Time/Short Term Prostitute

:eek:Being an educated adult she handle her jobs well, but she confesses that she truly enjoyed having sexual experience during her short 14-months, and gave her the freedom of financial security till she could finally get her Phd Degree in her hands, she handled her situation in a fantastic manner & did well for herself, this is what you call a Self Made Girl who took decision in her life by her own judgement what was good for her at that time when she needed some financial assistance to cope up with her expences and how she managed makes of feel proud of her, Cheers for her that she even tried her hands into prostitution the oldest profession in the world, where a female uses her final tool (her body) to make money, sad but its reality of life, and she made it for herself, and now she is even bold enough to show the world her true identity or else she could have kept her dark secrets hidden in her heart!
 

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This article lacks a central focus. Among others, it attacks porn, prostitution, human trafficking, overt displays of teenage sexuality, and the makers of revealing children's clothing. My head is still spinning. She tries to lump all of these together as being examples of female exploitation, but doing this does not make the distinction between choice and coercion. Forced prostitution is wrong for very obvious reasons. Dr. Magnanti, the impetus for this article, made this choice on her own and, thus, some of the comparative examples put forward here do not apply to her.

The word 'exploitation' is an incorrect a word to describe Dr. Magnanti's situation. If you make an independent choice to do something and are not bound to that choice by the will of another, then how can it be exploitation? The sex trade is always an option for a pretty, willing female because the market for pretty, willing females is insatiable. Men receive sexual gratification and the woman receives money. Both parties get what they bargained for. To complicate this by connecting prostitution with kidnapping, assault, is to confuse the issue.
 

Aardvark154

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Sadly, though, the vast majority of women in the sex trade are not in that category. Stories like this only serve to glamorize what is actually a tragic industry for the vast majority of its participants. Grossly misleading.
A no hidden agenda question CapitalGuy, Rama Putri, Jwmorrice etc. . .

If you feel that for the vast majority of women in Canada the industry is not only exploitive and bad for them, why are you hobbying?
 

jwmorrice

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In the laboratory.
A no hidden agenda question CapitalGuy, Rama Putri, Jwmorrice etc. . .

If you feel that for the vast majority of women in Canada the industry is not only exploitive and bad for them, why are you hobbying?
'Cause I'm bad to the boner!

jwm
 

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Here I go again...

Maybe its where I work, but "more than half raped or assaulted by pimps or [clients]"? Seriously?! I've been in the business for 2.5 years and am good friends with a lot of the girls. The worst I've ever heard of was someone refusing to take a shower, Kaitlyn insisting, and him telling her she was a whore and should see him anyways. She kicked him out, he's banned from the agency, end of story.

"95% drug users"? What?! What is the definition of a drug user, is alcohol a drug in this sense? Does trying pot in high school count?

Its easy for women who are NOT in the industry to buy into stereotypes and inflated figures: one often finds that data reflects one's original bias or hypothesis. This crap exists, but nowhere in the numbers that this article suggests.

Some people have it bad: really bad. Sexual/physical assault histories, trafficking, addiction: this kind of negative attention to the industry is important because it helps some women who really need it get help. The issue I have is the other side, the Belle stories, not getting told or getting attacked for 'glamourizing' being a prostitute. Its not that we're saying it glamourous and everyone can or should do it: its that it can work out wonderfully for smart girls making their own choices. The sex industry is what you make of it.

The reality, from my experience at least, is that the vast majority of working girls at reputable agencies (not just Mirage but elsewhere as well) are students or are paying off student loans. I can't reflect on independents as I know fewer, but there are SPs I know personally with PhDs, law degrees, Masters, about half have or are working on an undergraduate or college degree, most have at least some post-highschool education. They've persued bettering themselves with the support of a host of [male] beneficiaries. Why is this story never told!


-And any educated woman who defends prostitution, or its close cousin pornography, should be ashamed - ashamed of betraying her fellow women who do not have the indulgence of choice.
When I go to 'work' I am surrounded with rare exceptions by smart women willing to break some imposed social boundaries and enjoying the consequences. I am not ashamed for publically defending these choices but am proud of many of my 'colleagues'. They are smart, determined, and sexy women using the societal value assigned to their bodies to attain their individual goals.



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Sorry, this stuff really gets to me. There's an opposing side that's rarely told in the media, and when it is told it gets attacked. I wish more working girls had the ability to go public with their experiences, not just the negative ones.
 

CapitalGuy

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A no hidden agenda question CapitalGuy, Rama Putri, Jwmorrice etc. . .

If you feel that for the vast majority of women in Canada the industry is not only exploitive and bad for them, why are you hobbying?
A very valid question. I suppose I rationalize my hobbying by assuming there are degrees of exploitation and degrees of harm. The sex-prisoner at one end of the spectrum, followed by the drug-addicted streetwalker, etc, are the most deeply-hurt by this industry, physically and mentally. The proud, independent, in-control of their lives, wimmin's rights supporting VIP SP is the least harmed, and in many cases they are likely not aware of how their relationships with other people or their own self-image is or will be impacted by their work. Even if they are, I choose to rationalize that the damage is minimal and "only" emotional/mental.

The SP's I tend to see work at reputable agencies or are (or appear to be) independents working of their own free will. Thus while they are being exploited in a general sense, in a specific sense they are working of their own accord, whether to make money for school or because they were fed up with a retail sector wage. So, the long-term emotional damage being done to them is in a large part by their own hand, and the exploitation is more theoretical. If they are willing participants in their own exploitation, it softens the blow on me, the creep who is exploiting them.

I acknowledge this does not make me a saint. I am enabling a harmful activity, but rationalizing that the harm is mild and largely self-induced.
And certainly I too suffer from too much blood in the wrong head, which clouds my judgement.

So I guess my answer is, "I'm human." A nice guy in most respects, but flawed in others.
 

antaeus

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Here in Toronto it seems a unique situation has developed, probably for the better.

As the beautiful ladies describe, their positive situation in comfortable, self controlled, safer environments.

This situation is not so common in other cities around Canada.

In Edmonton, Winnipeg, Saskatoon, etc. all the bad stereotype aspects of street prostitution are very obvious.
 

Aardvark154

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A very valid question. I suppose I rationalize my hobbying by assuming there are degrees of exploitation and degrees of harm. The sex-prisoner at one end of the spectrum, followed by the drug-addicted streetwalker, etc, are the most deeply-hurt by this industry, physically and mentally. The proud, independent, in-control of their lives, wimmin's rights supporting VIP SP is the least harmed, and in many cases they are likely not aware of how their relationships with other people or their own self-image is or will be impacted by their work. Even if they are, I choose to rationalize that the damage is minimal and "only" emotional/mental.

The SP's I tend to see work at reputable agencies or are (or appear to be) independents working of their own free will. Thus while they are being exploited in a general sense, in a specific sense they are working of their own accord, whether to make money for school or because they were fed up with a retail sector wage. So, the long-term emotional damage being done to them is in a large part by their own hand, and the exploitation is more theoretical. If they are willing participants in their own exploitation, it softens the blow on me, the creep who is exploiting them.

I acknowledge this does not make me a saint. I am enabling a harmful activity, but rationalizing that the harm is mild and largely self-induced.
And certainly I too suffer from too much blood in the wrong head, which clouds my judgement.

So I guess my answer is, "I'm human." A nice guy in most respects, but flawed in others.
Thanks CapitalGuy, that's a very good explanation.

I think of the industry as escorts (agency and independent). I can honestly say that I've only in one instance felt uncomfortable - and in that instance although she was there voluntarily I felt it was almost entirely because of economic circumstances (then again her basically hostile attitude toward life may well have caused her problems getting and holding vanilla jobs as well).

So, although I largely agree with what you write above and see your point - I don't see it as exploitation.

I entirely agree with what Sheik wrote in his first paragraph in #36, I've said much the same to students who are SPs in Montreal.

The street scene is not only illegal (which is an important consideration for many of us) but I also realize has vastly more dysfunctional and potentially exploited women in it. Frankly, I would be happy if it disappeared.
 
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