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Fascinating interview with Russian commander on the new realities of warfare

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Hey Notti, if Russia is so big and bad as you like to claim why do the need N. Korean soldiers to help yet threaten nukes if another country offers boots on the ground in Ukraine? Fuck, Ukraine must be knocking off Russian's as if they are putting them through a supercharged meat grinder.
We don't know if Kim was coerced into sending troops to
help Russia out or he offered his troops as cannon fodder
in exchange for advanced nuclear weapons.

NATO members and any troops they send to Ukraine are no more
vulnerable to Putin's nuclear attacks than Kim's troops are to getting
nuked by France, the UK and the U.S. NATO can easily scare Kim off with
threats of hitting North Korea and its troops if they are the sissies like
NATO members and their troops. Nukes or no nukes NATO won't send troops to
Ukraine to get killed by Kim and Putin's non-nuclear conventional weapons.
I think Putin's nuclear threats were actually intended to expedite reaching a
peace agreement. Now NATO can say sending troops to Ukraine is not
an option by pointing to the risk of nuclear war with Russia.
 
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'This is not the time to go it alone,' NATO's Rutte tells U.S. and Europe
By Barbara Erling and Lili Bayer

WARSAW/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte warned the United States and Europe on Wednesday against any temptation to "go it alone" on security, amid increased tensions over the future of the transatlantic alliance and diverging views on Russia.

U.S. President Donald Trump this month cast doubt on Washington's willingness to defend NATO allies it deemed were not paying enough for their own defence, triggering alarm among European leaders as they try to shore up Ukraine in its fight against invading Russian forces.

"Let me be absolutely clear, this is not the time to go it alone. Not for Europe or North America," Rutte said in a speech at the Warsaw School of Economics.

"The global security challenges are too great for any of us to face on our own. When it comes to keeping Europe and North America safe, there is no alternative to NATO," he added.

Rutte's call for transatlantic unity came days after the Atlantic reported that U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Vice President JD Vance had complained about European allies in a chat group. Hegseth expressed his "loathing of European free-loading", according to the Atlantic.

Asked whether allies can still have confidence in the U.S. after the controversy, Rutte later told reporters: "Absolutely, can we trust the Americans, yes. They are our biggest partner, the biggest allies in NATO."

A number of European countries including Germany and Britain have announced plans to hike defence spending as Trump seeks a rapprochement with Russian President Vladimir Putin in his efforts to end the three-year-old war in Ukraine.

Germany's likely next chancellor, Friedrich Merz, has questioned whether NATO will remain in its "current form" by the time of a NATO summit in The Hague in June.

EUROPE MUST 'STEP UP'

Trump has said NATO members should spend 5% of gross domestic product (GDP) on defence – a significant increase from the current 2% target and a level that no NATO country, including the United States, currently meets.

"Yes, Europe needs to know that Uncle Sam still has our back. But America also needs to know that its NATO allies will step up," Rutte said, adding the June summit would provide an opportunity to build a "stronger, fairer and more lethal NATO".

"A fairer NATO means all allies doing their fair share," the former Dutch prime minister added.

While welcoming Trump's push for peace in Ukraine, Rutte said there would be no normalisation of relations with Russia once the war had ended.

"This will take decades because there is a total lack of confidence. The threat is still there," he told reporters.

Rutte said all 32 NATO allies were in the same boat while Russia remained "the most significant and direct threat to our security".

"With the latest missile technology coming out of Russia, the difference between an attack on Warsaw or an attack on Madrid is 10 minutes. So we are all on the eastern flank," he said.

 

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We don't know if Kim was coerced into sending troops to
help Russia out or he offered his troops as cannon fodder
in exchange for advanced nuclear weapons.

NATO members and any troops they send to Ukraine are no more
vulnerable to Putin's nuclear attacks than Kim's troops are to getting
nuked by France, the UK and the U.S. NATO can easily scare Kim off with
threats of hitting North Korea and its troops if they are the sissies like
NATO members and their troops. Nukes or no nukes NATO won't send troops to
Ukraine to get killed by Kim and Putin's non-nuclear conventional weapons.
I think Putin's nuclear threats were actually intended to expedite reaching a
peace agreement. Now NATO can say sending troops to Ukraine is not
an option by pointing to the risk of nuclear war with Russia.
Show me compelling evidence of significant NK presence in Ukraine. So far I have only seen a few Korean looking people that could very easily be Yakutian Russians who look very much like Koreans.
 

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Russia is not interested in a peace agreement. They view the job as almost done and are content to decide it on the battlefield.
Show me compelling evidence of significant NK presence in Ukraine. So far I have only seen a few Korean looking people that could very easily be Yakutian Russians who look very much like Koreans.
You are hilarious!
 
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Why did the US need Korean troops in Iraq?
You claim Russia is a powerhouse yet they are struggling to get Ukraine soldiers out of Kursk. they employ N. Korean soldiers yet threaten nukes if any one puts boots on the ground in Ukraine. Why? Come on man, get your head out of Putin's ass for an hour so you can begin to see the light.
 
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Russia is not interested in a peace agreement. They view the job as almost done and are content to decide it on the battlefield.
Russia hasn't made anything more than marginal advances for 3 years. If they intend to "decide it on the battlefield", they'll still be burning up entire battalions of untrained cannon fodder to take yet another tiny village adjoining the Donbass 15 years from now.
 

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Russia hasn't made anything more than marginal advances for 3 years. If they intend to "decide it on the battlefield", they'll still be burning up entire battalions of untrained cannon fodder to take yet another tiny village adjoining the Donbass 15 years from now.
All the more reason for Zelensky to buy time by going along with
Trump so he can rearm Ukraine to transform it to a steel porcupine
and then resume massive fighting to the last Ukrainian.

I must say I find the moral character of those cheerleading
Zelensky to fight on questionable.
 
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All the more reason for Zelensky to buy time by going along with
Trump so he can rearm Ukraine to transform it to a steel porcupine
and then resume massive fighting to the last Ukrainian.

I must say I find the moral character of those cheerleading
Zelensky to fight on questionable.
But the Trump deal requires Ukraine to sign away its resources and gives Ukraine nothing in return. It's the dumbest "deal" in history. There are no demands on Russia and no security guarantees for Ukraine. And any obligation for Russia to keep up its end of any bargain will never, ever, ever be enforced by Trump who is ridiculously pro Putin because he sucks Putin's dick.
 
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But the Trump deal requires Ukraine to sign away its resources and gives Ukraine nothing in return. It's the dumbest "deal" in history. There are no demands on Russia and no security guarantees for Ukraine. And any obligation for Russia to keep up its end of any bargain will never, ever, ever be enforced by Trump who is ridiculously pro Putin because he sucks Putin's dick.
My previous post could have been clearer. It is Europe that will rearm Ukraine
and transform it to a steel porcupine. Zelensky can always tear up the mineral
deal when Ukraine is ready to fight on again.

 

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You claim Russia is a powerhouse yet they are struggling to get Ukraine soldiers out of Kursk. they employ N. Korean soldiers yet threaten nukes if any one puts boots on the ground in Ukraine. Why? Come on man, get your head out of Putin's ass for an hour so you can begin to see the light.
Why did the US need Korean troops in Iraq? I guess we will leave the NK troop issue at, Zelensky said so...lol. Russia only said NATO troops in Ukraine will be attacked. Nothing more. The threat on nukes is still reserve for existential risks. Why would they be in a hurry with Kursk? The Ukrainians are in a kill box, they allow them to be resupplied and bring more troops in so they can kill them. Attack is much more costly then defense. Its very risky to mass troops for a major offense, so attrition is the best way to proceed. Why is Trump trying to cut and run?
 
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All the more reason for Zelensky to buy time by going along with
Trump so he can rearm Ukraine to transform it to a steel porcupine
and then resume massive fighting to the last Ukrainian.

I must say I find the moral character of those cheerleading
Zelensky to fight on questionable.
To the last Ukrainian teen girl? Yes its appalling. There is no good outcome for them. The best deal avail now is Istanbul +
 

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We don't know if Kim was coerced into sending troops to
help Russia out or he offered his troops as cannon fodder
in exchange for advanced nuclear weapons.

NATO members and any troops they send to Ukraine are no more
vulnerable to Putin's nuclear attacks than Kim's troops are to getting
nuked by France, the UK and the U.S. NATO can easily scare Kim off with
threats of hitting North Korea and its troops if they are the sissies like
NATO members and their troops. Nukes or no nukes NATO won't send troops to
Ukraine to get killed by Kim and Putin's non-nuclear conventional weapons.
I think Putin's nuclear threats were actually intended to expedite reaching a
peace agreement. Now NATO can say sending troops to Ukraine is not
an option by pointing to the risk of nuclear war with Russia.

Fuck... your thinking is so fundamentally deranged that we may as well be reading the paper from a chimpanzee banging away on a cyrillic keyboard manual typewriter!
 

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Why did the US need Korean troops in Iraq? I guess we will leave the NK troop issue at, Zelensky said so...lol. Russia only said NATO troops in Ukraine will be attacked. Nothing more. The threat on nukes is still reserve for existential risks. Why would they be in a hurry with Kursk? The Ukrainians are in a kill box, they allow them to be resupplied and bring more troops in so they can kill them. Attack is much more costly then defense. Its very risky to mass troops for a major offense, so attrition is the best way to proceed. Why is Trump trying to cut and run?
Impossible to have a debate with someone who lives in an alternate universe.
 
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