F-35 vs. Su-57; Which is the Better Fighter
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I know the F-22 isn’t for sale.Point is, you didn't even realize the F-22 wasn't available for export and it's current status. The aircraft gets little flight time because the cost of replacing it's oxygen system is so high and the maintenance costs are insane. Already much of the needed tooling is no longer available. Great aircraft on paper, probably the best AS fighter available, but impractical in the modern world and battlefield, especially for most "normal" countries. Just like the F-35.
The Americans landed on the moon in 1969 using 1950s and early 60s technology. The F-22 uses 35MHz CPUs in the aircraft, one of the reasons it has so many integration problems.
The Russians have a long history of building slightly less sophisticated weapons systems that are more rugged, last longer, less expensive to maintain by less skilled technicians and perform at 99.9% of American systems. In some cases the platforms are more capable than American systems, because the Russians don't always think like american conventionally (AA system, rocket torpedo, supersonic missiles, etc.).
lol, if "operational" means sitting in a hanger - sure. In the meantime Russian and CHinese aircraft are in the skies and continually improving. Their pilots are getting real experience. Chances are the Reds have already stole most of the American technology (hey greed is american economics)
Probably something pretty damn amazing. It'll cost $300M each, and $10B in new support infrastructure. Will require an army of 20 engineers 200 hours of time to maintain for each hour of flight. G*d forbid one gets shot down or crashes, the US will have to raise taxes 5%.
I think the future is in fighter drones - a combination of autonomous and remotely piloted. Both the Russians and Chinese are betting on it. And I'll bet the Americans already have the best.
They flew in Syria
I agree on drones, I’m sure you’ve seen the video of a drone launching and being recovered on an aircraft carrier. There is also a version being pitched to the Navy as an autonomous refueling platform.
Drones could also make AA obsolete, as soon as AA lights up the drone another (and/or cruse missle) takes it out. All without risk of life.
When was the last time a foreign fighter engaged a US fighter in a dog fight?Not so sure if the no one is stupid enough is the case.
However, more importantly is that the Obama Administration didn't want to spend the money required on the military.
USA only fly its planes where is sure nobody shoots at them.When was the last time a foreign fighter engaged a US fighter in a dog fight?
I'm sure you've figured this out - you troll Canada, I troll you. :biggrin: Trolling aside, I indeed enjoy your posts, you are both witty and intelligent. But Canada is waaaaay better than the United States and our Prime Minister is taller than your President.
In Syria the F-22 was used as a bomber and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. Good use for the worlds best air-superiority aircraft! The maintenance cycle costed more that the damage done by the bombs.
Yeah I know, Canada's entire submarine fleet can't submerge. F**k-off.
Cheaper, more stealthy, more durable, less maintenance, almost don't need a runway, can handle 10+ G turns - definitely the future. The key is a secure non-jammable communications link (may be mitigated by future AI operating system) and providing pilots a good virtual interface and train them well.
THIS IS EXACTLY where American R&D might, ingenuity and engineering can excell. Build less traditional weapons and focus on America's strength: practical technology. It doesn't even have to be bleeding edge, just small and very stealthy. Can you imagine building a stealthy drone carrier (like the size of Cyclone-class patrol ship) or smaller B-2 stealth aircraft carrier - that the US could have loiter just outside hot-spots, equipped with a selection of fighter, ground attack, intelligence and surveillance drones. They could be launched in minutes, be controlled by someone sitting in the US and cost a fraction of a typical aircraft platform and not risk airman. It would render most modern Russian/Chinese anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles obsolete.
I'm sure the Generals, who are way smarter than me (although Trump is smarter than them), have been working on this for years. Area 52 Candyland?
Yeah, yeah OTB.I know the F-22 isn’t for sale.
Why do you make this so easy: "In February 2007, on the aircraft's first overseas deployment to Kadena Air Base, six F-22s of 27th Fighter Squadron flying from Hickam AFB, Hawaii, experienced multiple software-related system failures while crossing the International Date Line. The aircraft returned to Hawaii by following tanker aircraft." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor#DeploymentsThey flew in Syria
In Syria the F-22 was used as a bomber and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. Good use for the worlds best air-superiority aircraft! The maintenance cycle costed more that the damage done by the bombs.
Yeah I know, Canada's entire submarine fleet can't submerge. F**k-off.
Yes, I've seen a few and read a lot of material. The refueling tanker is a cool idea.I agree on drones, I’m sure you’ve seen the video of a drone launching and being recovered on an aircraft carrier. There is also a version being pitched to the Navy as an autonomous refueling platform.
Drones could also make AA obsolete, as soon as AA lights up the drone another (and/or cruse missile) takes it out. All without risk of life.
Cheaper, more stealthy, more durable, less maintenance, almost don't need a runway, can handle 10+ G turns - definitely the future. The key is a secure non-jammable communications link (may be mitigated by future AI operating system) and providing pilots a good virtual interface and train them well.
THIS IS EXACTLY where American R&D might, ingenuity and engineering can excell. Build less traditional weapons and focus on America's strength: practical technology. It doesn't even have to be bleeding edge, just small and very stealthy. Can you imagine building a stealthy drone carrier (like the size of Cyclone-class patrol ship) or smaller B-2 stealth aircraft carrier - that the US could have loiter just outside hot-spots, equipped with a selection of fighter, ground attack, intelligence and surveillance drones. They could be launched in minutes, be controlled by someone sitting in the US and cost a fraction of a typical aircraft platform and not risk airman. It would render most modern Russian/Chinese anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles obsolete.
I'm sure the Generals, who are way smarter than me (although Trump is smarter than them), have been working on this for years. Area 52 Candyland?
The F22 was a bomber because no one sent up a plane against it, nor likely ever will. In some ways thats the point, US controls the air.I'm sure you've figured this out - you troll Canada, I troll you. :biggrin: Trolling aside, I indeed enjoy your posts, you are both witty and intelligent. But Canada is waaaaay better than the United States and our Prime Minister is taller than your President.
Yeah, yeah OTB.
Why do you make this so easy: "In February 2007, on the aircraft's first overseas deployment to Kadena Air Base, six F-22s of 27th Fighter Squadron flying from Hickam AFB, Hawaii, experienced multiple software-related system failures while crossing the International Date Line. The aircraft returned to Hawaii by following tanker aircraft." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor#Deployments
In Syria the F-22 was used as a bomber and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions. Good use for the worlds best air-superiority aircraft! The maintenance cycle costed more that the damage done by the bombs.
Yeah I know, Canada's entire submarine fleet can't submerge. F**k-off.
Yes, I've seen a few and read a lot of material. The refueling tanker is a cool idea.
Cheaper, more stealthy, more durable, less maintenance, almost don't need a runway, can handle 10+ G turns - definitely the future. The key is a secure non-jammable communications link (may be mitigated by future AI operating system) and providing pilots a good virtual interface and train them well.
THIS IS EXACTLY where American R&D might, ingenuity and engineering can excell. Build less traditional weapons and focus on America's strength: practical technology. It doesn't even have to be bleeding edge, just small and very stealthy. Can you imagine building a stealthy drone carrier (like the size of Cyclone-class patrol ship) or smaller B-2 stealth aircraft carrier - that the US could have loiter just outside hot-spots, equipped with a selection of fighter, ground attack, intelligence and surveillance drones. They could be launched in minutes, be controlled by someone sitting in the US and cost a fraction of a typical aircraft platform and not risk airman. It would render most modern Russian/Chinese anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles obsolete.
I'm sure the Generals, who are way smarter than me (although Trump is smarter than them), have been working on this for years. Area 52 Candyland?
Drones refueling drones on constant patrol.... we should test them on the southern board (without the firepower).
Trudeau, Trump and AMOL, they should sell tickets to NAFTA meetings. If it were prison Trudeau would be the bitch.
We're talking Syria here! You mean because the F-22s are all on the ground trying to fix the date software bug? Seriously, who-ever did that factory testing should be shot.The F22 was a bomber because no one sent up a plane against it, nor likely ever will.
Why no firepower? I have no problems targeting rapists and murders. You know, according to Mr Trump all those little brown children trying to cross the boarder.Drones refueling drones on constant patrol.... we should test them on the southern board (without the firepower).
Handshakes alone would be worth the price of admission. Trump is an obese tub of lard, even prisoners have minimum standards. As long as Treadeau can have a selfie, I'm sure he's okay with that.Trudeau, Trump and AMOL, they should sell tickets to NAFTA meetings. If it were prison Trudeau would be the bitch.
