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danmand

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We clearly out competed a lot of species. We are by some measure the most successful species on the planet, depending how you measure. In a pure biomass sense we are not, but in terms of the share of resources we have repurposed for our own growth we are.
 
Is the higher number the whole truth or it's simply because we're able to know/detect more? I have no doubt on the trend but I think it's a bit of both.
 
fuji said:
We clearly out competed a lot of species. We are by some measure the most successful species on the planet, depending how you measure. In a pure biomass sense we are not, but in terms of the share of resources we have repurposed for our own growth we are.
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Not yet ! We have only just begun !!

Dinosaurs lived between 230 and 65 million years ago, in a time known as the Mesozoic Era. This was many millions of years before the first modern humans, Homo sapiens, appeared.

Scientists divide the Mesozoic Era into 3 periods: the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous. During this time, the land gradually split up from one huge continent into smaller ones. The associated changes in the climate and vegetation affected how dinosaurs evolved.

If you calculate, that represents 165 million years of dominance.

Where as man or humans walking up right is estimated at 6 million years ago. We have a long way to go !!

While our ancestors have been around for about six million years, the modern form of humans only evolved about 200,000 years ago.
Civilization as we know it is only about 6,000 years old, and industrialization started in the earnest only in the 1800s.
While we’ve accomplished much in that short time, it also shows our responsibility as caretakers for the only planet we live on right now.
 
fuji said:
We clearly out competed a lot of species. We are by some measure the most successful species on the planet, depending how you measure. In a pure biomass sense we are not, but in terms of the share of resources we have repurposed for our own growth we are.
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Fuji, you make the extinction of other species sound like a positive thing. Given that often species are dependent upon others, directly or indirectly, then the loss of species can only be bad for the Earth's biosystem.
 
RandyAndy2 said:
Fuji, you make the extinction of other species sound like a positive thing.
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It is the inevitable consequence of our success, and our success is a positive thing. Whenever an invasive species transforms an ecosystem there are losers, and we are the ultimate invasive species, owing to adaptations (like language, tools, intelligence in general) that make us more effective than competing species.

Given that often species are dependent upon others, directly or indirectly, then the loss of species can only be bad for the Earth's biosystem.
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Bad is a relative term, extinction is the normal consequence of one adaptation beating out others. Remember that we ARE the biosystem, we are part of it, our success and transformation of the biosystem is part of the system.

Change in the biosystem is good or bad depending on whether that change benefits or harms us, and we certainly benefited from the industrial revolution.

That said we certainly should manage this process to ensure that we benefit from the natural resources, including other species, and reckless destruction of ecosystems for no good reason robs us of the future opportunity to exploit them.

So we should be prudent managers, but we shouldn't regret the industrial revolution, the agricultural revolution, etc., those are our successes. We are disruptive, and being disruptive isn't a bad thing.
 
fuji said:
It is the inevitable consequence of our success, and our success is a positive thing. Whenever an invasive species transforms an ecosystem there are losers, and we are the ultimate invasive species, owing to adaptations (like language, tools, intelligence in general) that make us more effective than competing species.



Bad is a relative term, extinction is the normal consequence of one adaptation beating out others. Remember that we ARE the biosystem, we are part of it, our success and transformation of the biosystem is part of the system.

Change in the biosystem is good or bad depending on whether that change benefits or harms us, and we certainly benefited from the industrial revolution.

That said we certainly should manage this process to ensure that we benefit from the natural resources, including other species, and reckless destruction of ecosystems for no good reason robs us of the future opportunity to exploit them.

So we should be prudent managers, but we shouldn't regret the industrial revolution, the agricultural revolution, etc., those are our successes. We are disruptive, and being disruptive isn't a bad thing.
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The problem becomes, have we lost our own basic instincts as human beings. What we have to think about is what
truly influences our lives now a days.(Religion and Politics) and lets be honest, these organizations are all about power and money.
We have to get back to our roots. Otherwise we will not survive as a species. This is the only down fall, of freedom of thought where
in some cases, we as humans, take advantage of others of the same species. I don't see it in any other species on this planet, other than our own !!
 
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Anybody, who sees the mass extinction of species as a sign of success for humans, has a total lack of judgement, but we already knew that about Fuji.
 
Titalian said:
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We have to get back to our roots. ...
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Our roots have been based on killing and destroying anything if it gives us an advantage. From the earliest of times human have killed species and stolen from our neighbours. Human nature hasn't changed. In fact our instincts have led us to what we are. Oh, and our roots included a life span of around 20 years.

The loss of genetic diversity is a result of our success but it is not a positive as long as our species depends on other species for survival.
 
basketcase said:
Our roots have been based on killing and destroying anything if it gives us an advantage. From the earliest of times human have killed species and stolen from our neighbours. Human nature hasn't changed. In fact our instincts have led us to what we are. Oh, and our roots included a life span of around 20 years.
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Even though you believe this, I don't. There are certain amount of humans who think the opposite of you, Including myself.
Empathy is one of the most important factors in being human. Unfortunately not many of us have this emotion. It is though
part and parcel of being human.
 
Sure. Nevertheless, you and your family are here today because your ancestors killed the other guys. Me too. We all are the descendants of the most successful killers.
 
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