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Explosion rocks west end

tboy

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Well, propane is heavier than air and it settles into the lowest area around and displaces oxygen. Even a small dip in the road or culvert.

He could have suffocated if he entered a pocket. Just think: you're carting 100 lbs of equipment on your back, take a deep breath and get a lungful of propane instead of oxygen. Then you can't get out of the pocket.

(this is one reason propane is so unsafe in boats, it settles into the bilge and then is extremely difficult to remove).
 

S.C. Joe

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If thats how he died, he was very unlucky :(

I seen that taxi cabs would fill up over there with propane...is this all about that "clean air" drive? If so, I think gasoline would have been "cleaner" in the long run...once again.
 

basketcase

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S.C. Joe said:
They said the air was non-toxic but then a F.F. died :confused: well maybe it was a heart problem--they said hes been on the force for 25 years, so he wasn't young...and fighting fires is for younger people..
My guess as well. There was something on the news about not having any injuries due to trauma.
 

tboy

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yaya17 said:
Think this guy got close enough??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoQiME0mBE&feature=related

He might be rethinking his move this morning. Guess this was either before of after some of the huge blasts.

If he was that close when one of the big ones went off I don't think this video would have made it to youtube.
One of the problems with wannbe videographers.....but then again, pros get right into the firefights in places like bosnia, iraq etc.......

I heard around 7 that the 401 was still closed. If they keep it closed overnight it's going to be one big muther of a clusterfuck tomorrow during morning rush hour......
 

dajodo2

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I can't help but say hmmmm to myself due to the fact that this explosion was in a predominately italian part of the city.

Are the owners of this plant italian as well?

I would bet the farm they are.
 

baci2004

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dajodo2 said:
I can't help but say hmmmm to myself due to the fact that this explosion was in a predominately italian part of the city.

Are the owners of this plant italian as well?

I would bet the farm they are.

I think you might be onto something here. :rolleyes:
 

baci2004

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bbking said:
... best quote of the day came from our fearless leader of a Mayor ..."perhaps we should revisit our zoning laws":rolleyes:



bbk
Stay tuned for .....

"I'm calling for a nationwide ban on propane! I will be meeting with mayors across the nation and south of the border to urge them to bring an end to this insidious source of energy!! Hail Stalin!!!
 

K Douglas

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I wonder how long its going to take our "pass the buck" mayor to blame Mike Harris and amalgamation for this event.
 

dajodo2

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This site is going to turn from a fire investigation scene to a criminal investigation scene real quick guaranteed.

In order for TSSA to be satisfied for licensing regulations this place would have had to have safety back up systems to back up the safety systems.

The "fix" was in italian style. The mob was owed money maybe or the owner was looking for a handsome insurance payout. Probably both.

Do you think it was just a coincidence that this explosion happened @ 3:30AM on a Sunday? The individuals who orchestrated this had somewhat of a conscience I'll give 'em that. That time of the morning is likely the quietest time in the city. The bar crowd has gone home by that time, most people are off work on a Sunday and the few that do likely weren't up and on the streets yet.

Just wait and see...
 

S.C. Joe

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K Douglas said:
I wonder how long its going to take our "pass the buck" mayor to blame Mike Harris and amalgamation for this event.

Watch, he will say a stray bullet caused the blast :p
 

yaya17

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If it's more than just an accident due to poor safety standards or something along those lines I'm going to have to go with the insurance scam.

It's not like the mob to effect thousands of innocent people with their actions. When they seem to get the job done it's with the least amount of public damage done.

They get rid of who they want not usually bringing innocent bystanders into the situation.

As for the insurance scam absolutley. If the owners of this place were so screwed business wise effecting the surrounding area was probably the last thing on their mind.
 

S.C. Joe

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Maybe its just too easy for it to happen. The fumes could have been set off by a weak spark....I seen that static electricity can cause fires at a gas station. Not too much here where its damp but out West were its dry outside.

The N.Y. Times ran a story a few weeks ago, you need to subscribe to get it, so I print some of it...


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/automobiles/27STATIC.html?ref=automobiles

IF you think gas prices are scary, consider a far worse fright that Kelly Shager of Lynchburg, Va., got at a gas pump. Eight months ago, Mrs. Shager drove her 1999 Ford Ranger to a self-service gas station, engaged the nozzle’s hold-open clip to have it fill automatically, then sat in her vehicle.


When the tank was full, she slid out and reached for the nozzle. Touching it, she felt a shock.

“Then fire kind of came out of the tank,” she said.

Mrs. Shager ran into the station’s convenience store for a fire extinguisher, but flames were already leaping over her truck. By the time firefighters controlled the blaze, the pickup was a charred ruin.

According to Greg Wormser, the Lynchburg fire marshal, the fire was ignited by an electrostatic charge that had collected on Mrs. Shager as she sat in the truck. When she reached for the nozzle, the charge grounded, igniting the gas vapors around the pump.

“You should never re-enter a vehicle when you’re fueling,” Mr. Wormser said.

That’s because a person who re-enters a vehicle and slides across the seat can acquire a static charge of thousands of volts, caused by friction between two electrically dissimilar materials, such as clothing and seat upholstery, said Dr. Robert E. Nabours, an electrical engineer. If the charge is not harmlessly discharged through the person’s shoes or by the person touching metal, such as part of a grounded car, an electrical arc can jump from a hand to the nozzle, igniting gas vapors and starting a fire.

There is no way to know precisely how many such incidents occur. The National Fire Data Center, part of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has not studied the issue. But the Petroleum Equipment Institute, a trade group, found that there were at least 170 static electricity fires at gas stations from 1992 to 2006. Considering that the American Petroleum Institute estimates that there are 11 billion refuelings in the United States a year, the problem probably isn’t a big one.

Unless, of course, it’s your car that has burst into flames. Since Mrs. Shager’s pickup was destroyed in November, at least two other serious fires at gas stations have been attributed to static electricity, including one that severely burned a woman.

The culprit seems to be the hold-open clips on nozzles that allow drivers to pump gas hands-free and re-enter the car to, say, keep warm. All three fires involved motorists who had been inside their cars while their tanks were filling.

Because of this, the clips are banned in some places, including throughout New York, where state, county and city fire codes prohibit them, but allowed or even mandated in others. Fire officials do not agree whether the clips endanger consumers or protect them
 

dajodo2

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Oh please!

Many if not most of the Italians that used to be there moved to Woodbridge but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Does that mean that the Hayhoe Flour Plant in Woodbridge that burned a month or two ago was a mob hit?
Hmmm....John Hayhoe, after a battle with Parkinson's disease died on June 20, 2007; the very same day the transition of the mill to the new owners was complete.

and then....

Hmmm...On July 1, 2008, Canada's 141st birthday a holiday when the workplace is quiet, Hayhoe Mills had a large fire.

Actually the mob had nothing to do with that, it was caused by careless fire prevention from welding that was being done during the plant shutdown. Probably was an italian running shoe mechanical contractor that caused the fire I bet.

I will have the last laugh when the chickens come home to roost.
 

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yaya17 said:
If it's more than just an accident due to poor safety standards or something along those lines I'm going to have to go with the insurance scam.

It's not like the mob to effect thousands of innocent people with their actions. When they seem to get the job done it's with the least amount of public damage done.

They get rid of who they want not usually bringing innocent bystanders into the situation.

As for the insurance scam absolutley. If the owners of this place were so screwed business wise effecting the surrounding area was probably the last thing on their mind.


Insurance scam is possible if it was a "..............lightning" strike.



Same kind of deal with the huge stockpiles of old tires that accidentally "catch" on fire .


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tboy

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I read the article in today's sun online how people are comparing it to a "nuclear" blast.

I guess these people haven't seen that stock footage of the tests done by the US?? lol.

Nuclear blast....lol...that's funny.

I know it must be a pain to not be able to go back into their houses, but the people still that aren't allowed in have to understand that it is for their own good. If the authorities let them back in, and then they got sick from being exposed to asbestos etc, they'd then be complaining (and suing) that they shouldn't have been let back in if there was dangerous materials present.
 
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